2014-10-24 9:20 GMT+02:00 Paul Norman :
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 03:00 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> I think it is reasonable postpone elections for three months considering
> current turmoil.
>
> Leaving aside any question about the merits of this, I don't believe it is
> possible. Notice has been gi
On Oct 23, 2014, at 03:00 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
I think it is reasonable postpone elections for three months considering
current turmoil.
Leaving aside any question about the merits of this, I don't believe it is
possible. Notice has been given of the AGM, and an election must be held at
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Kathleen Danielson <
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What if we had some sort of compromise, and we asked the membership if we
> could hold another AGM in 3 months, followed 2 weeks (or so) later by an
> election? We've already talked about decoupling it fro
Hi Kate
2014-10-23 16:37 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman wrote:
> Perhaps the issues in the board is a lack of respect for each other.
I don't see any disrespect from Simon when he referred to you speaking
about you (and others) wishing to see more OSMF members.
On the other hand I assume that you are a
Sorry for sounding like a broken record to some: there are no EGMs or
AGMs any more under UK law, there are simply general meetings, there is
not even a requirement to have any at all (that is why we are suggesting
adding such a clause to the articles at the GM in Argentina) and you
could just as w
Sorry-- looks like I forgot to copy the whole list.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson <
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Frederik,
>
> You've got a few really interesting ideas in here. Some quick questions:
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Frederik Ramm
> wrote:
>
Hi Frederik,
I like this idea of having the mandate to redesign how the board works.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 10/23/2014 01:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> > Absolutely no force required. I would hope that the existing board
> > members would recognis
Hi Simon
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Simon Poole wrote:
>
> Kate was complaining about the on boarding of new board members, she got
> at least an order of magnitude more support than Frederik and myself
> did, I don't think that there is any -accessible- board related
> institutional memor
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> End of hypothetical situation. It is obvious that something has gone
> wrong, but what, and how could it have been better? Can we expect board
> members to report to the membership about the (perceived?) lack of
> performance of their peers?
Hi,
On 10/23/2014 08:22 AM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
> The problem is that I don't see where the membership has any leverge on
> the board apart from the elections. We have had discussions about
> transparency before but they have been utterly fruitless so far. A good
> part of the current members ha
Hi,
On 10/23/2014 01:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Absolutely no force required. I would hope that the existing board
> members would recognise the virtue of a fresh mandate and a clean start.
A radical step, but I like it. I'd be more than happy to withdraw my
candidacy if there was a spiri
Hi Kathleen
Am 23.10.2014 10:47, schrieb Kathleen Danielson:
>
> There has been some discussion between Michael, the board and myself on
> changing the inner workings of the OSMF a bit which potentially could
> address some of the remaining issues, however these are at a very early
>
>
>
> There has been some discussion between Michael, the board and myself on
> changing the inner workings of the OSMF a bit which potentially could
> address some of the remaining issues, however these are at a very early
> discussion stage.
Simon, would you care to shed light on this? This see
Am 23.10.2014 08:22, schrieb Sarah Hoffmann:
..
>
> It very clear states the obligations of a board member with respect to
> board meetings and transparency. How does the board hold its individual
> members accountable for following the rules of order? How can the
> OSMF membership hold boar
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:47:03PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> In theory, the OSMF members are the boss and board is just a group of
> people asked by the members to run business for them until they convene
> next time. In similar organisations I know in Germany, it is absolutely
> not uncom
Simon,
I was not asking to emulate the WMF, I was asking because I am not familiar
with the internal procedures of the OSMF.
But yes, after checking the numbers both organizations are not comparable,
at all.
>From this thread it seemed that there were serious issues, but seeing all
what has been
>
> btw, there should be a "all values in GBP" or similar on this page:
> http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Finances/Balance_Sheet_2012
>
Well I can fix that at least (done)
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Am 22.10.2014 11:48, schrieb David Cuenca:
> Hi Martin,
>
> thanks for the link. What about annual plans and community reviews?
> Where can I see them?
David,
The WMF has a considerable amount of resources available both in funds
and in people. It is a very Apples and Oranges comparison, whic
btw, there should be a "all values in GBP" or similar on this page:
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Finances/Balance_Sheet_2012
I wonder if there shouldn't be some explanatory words in general for these
tables, they are not really selfexplaing for someone not deeply into this.
E.g. I can see th
Hi Martin,
thanks for the link. What about annual plans and community reviews? Where
can I see them?
Sorry for my ignorance about how to find this information...
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2014-10-22 11:40 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca :
2014-10-22 11:40 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca :
> Where can I find the financial reports of the OpenStreetMap Foundation?
you can go to the homepage, click on "main page":
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Main_Page
then on "Finances" and you will get some information:
http://www.osmfoundation.org/w
On the Wikimedia Foundation web site there is a page with all financial
reports:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Financial_reports
Where can I find the financial reports of the OpenStreetMap Foundation?
Thanks,
Micru
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer <
dieterdre...@gmail.
2014-10-22 8:53 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev :
> What if we introduce a rule that one can write a message in English and
> then, for clarity, the version of the same message in another human
> language? If there is an original idea, it does not matter much in what
> language it was formulated.
I
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:
> One issue is we really have no idea what the OSMF membership wants. We
> know what some vocal people who write English well want. What a lot of
> communities do to determine this is have a yearly community survey. Simply
> voting for board me
Hi All,
I felt I should speak up as the newest board member. I certainly think
there are things that OSMF could do to function better as well as the OSMF
Board. I think it can be difficult to move forward when everyone has very
strong feelings about the project, but they sometimes seem at odds wit
Hi,
I wonder why we're discussing here everything else but what Frederik
mentioned in his manifesto and in this reply above.
Richard voted that the board should stand down.
I can't oversea the situation but I tend to give our colleages a
second chance to fix things.
I do that also knowing that OS
Jason,
I suspect you are slightly over interpreting what has been said up to
now. Our accountant and the treasurer have control of the back accounts
and I wouldn't expect to have direct access (nor likely other board
members). The board has relied on the treasurer for cash management and
I have n
Oliver is seldom seen on the mailing lists, you might want to cc his
board email oli...@osmfoundation.org
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Hi,
This is an unhappy read. I am stunned that the board members don't
have access to the bank registers. How can any decisions be made about
the servers, STOM, fundraising effectiveness, etc without having a
handle on the cash? The foundation handles so little money, it should
be very simple keep
Am 21.10.2014 15:33, schrieb moltonel 3x Combo:
> On 21/10/2014, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>> Sarah Hoffman wrote:
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Frederik_Ramm/2014_OSMF_Board_Elections_Manifesto
>
> That was a disheartening read.
>
> The transparency issue is the one that shocks
Hi,
On 10/21/14 13:42, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
> more interested in what we (as
> members) can do to make it a more functional place.
Even when I was not a board member, I tended to be a little bit
frustrated by how little the OSMF membership in general were interested
in what their board (or
On 21/10/2014, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Sarah Hoffman wrote:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Frederik_Ramm/2014_OSMF_Board_Elections_Manifesto
That was a disheartening read.
The transparency issue is the one that shocks me (a "basic
contributor") most, in a project that has open da
Hi Richard,
I think you're right to post this here. While it is a matter of how the
foundation board functions and pertains specifically to the election, I
think that it would be preferable to have this discussion in a more open
forum. I replied to the post in the osmf-talk list, but I'm reposting
[this was originally posted to osmf-talk; I'm not a member of OSMF so
can't reply to it there. I'm also breaking my self-imposed discipline of
not posting to the talk@ list for this, but I figure it's important]
Sarah Hoffman wrote:
while checking the candidate list for the upcoming board elec
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