Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-23 Thread Andy Townsend
On 23/09/2015 11:53, joost schouppe wrote: ... I don't know how we could expect OSM-carto to reflect all our needs. Apart from being a tool for mappers (i.e. showing as much as possible), it also wants to be pretty and useful for non-mappers. Trying to make everyone happy might make everyone

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-23 Thread joost schouppe
While I am guilty of some of the same reflexes (see https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/110 ), I don't know how we could expect OSM-carto to reflect all our needs. Apart from being a tool for mappers (i.e. showing as much as possible), it also wants to be pretty and useful

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-23 Thread Lester Caine
On 23/09/15 13:59, Andy Townsend wrote: > To add to that, creating "a personal map style" of a small area using > https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-server-14-04/ > whilst not for everyone, isn't that difficult these days, and it doesn't > require huge server resources.

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:59:43 +0100 Andy Townsend wrote: > For comparison I > recently had a look at the OSM map style as it was in April 2014 (...) > and it's not any easier to customise. This is less subjective than two others - and in that case I am pretty sure that

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-23 Thread henk van der laan
> W dniu 22.09.2015 15:49, Mateusz Konieczny napisa?(a): > > > Note that it is not including the latest changes that are not deployed > > on the OSM website (currently it includes the new road style). > > One can preview those changes here (for some testing places): > >

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-23 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Wed, 23 Sep 2015 09:10:44 +0200 henk van der laan wrote: > > > > W dniu 22.09.2015 15:49, Mateusz Konieczny napisa?(a): > > > > > Note that it is not including the latest changes that are not > > > deployed on the OSM website (currently it includes the new road > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-23 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 23/09/2015, henk van der laan wrote: > Now I'm really getting confused. osm-carto is the current version and > gsoc the new one, right? There's been a tremendous amount of discussion, feedback, a tweaks about this change: *

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-22 Thread henk van der laan
Hi Mathijs, In response I've combined some answers for readablilliity. > Hi Henk, > > On 22 September 2015 at 12:43, henk van der laan > wrote: > > To aid the discussion, here you can compare the old and new rendering > (Netherlands/Belgium/Luxembourg only): >

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 13:32:42 +0200 Matthijs Melissen wrote: > To aid the discussion, here you can compare the old and new rendering > (Netherlands/Belgium/Luxembourg only): > http://bl.ocks.org/tyrasd/raw/67a00dbb869456094373/#9.00/52.3535/5.0572 Note that it is not

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-22 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Hi Henk, On 22 September 2015 at 12:43, henk van der laan wrote: > Over the past couple of month some big changes in the rendering of the > map have been made. > These changes do not improve the readabillity of the map, and despite > it's good intentions do not seem to take

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-22 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 22 September 2015, henk van der laan wrote: > Over the past couple of month some big changes in the rendering of > the map have been made. > These changes do not improve the readabillity of the map, and despite > it's good intentions do not seem to take into account the basics of > map

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-22 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 22.09.2015 15:49, Mateusz Konieczny napisał(a): Note that it is not including the latest changes that are not deployed on the OSM website (currently it includes the new road style). One can preview those changes here (for some testing places):

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-22 Thread henk van der laan
> On Tuesday 22 September 2015, henk van der laan wrote: > > Over the past couple of month some big changes in the rendering of > > the map have been made. > > These changes do not improve the readabillity of the map, and despite > > it's good intentions do not seem to take into account the basics

Re: [OSM-talk] recent changes in rendering the map make it worse

2015-09-22 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Tuesday 22 September 2015, henk van der laan wrote: > > Stating that something is a bad job by someone does not mean that > person is incompetent. No, but if someone does a bad job he/she is either incompetent or has bad intentions and since you specifically say you assume good intentions...