Re: [OSM-talk] Dialects of English | Re: iD influencing tagging

2019-04-10 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
anto or Irish or something. > > If you want real fun, just talk about "tabling an agenda item"  > > On 08/04/2019 18:32, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > Martin, thanks for explanation, but my point still stands -- in tags, we > > treat words not at their own meaning, b

Re: [OSM-talk] We're erasing our history in wiki

2019-04-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
If the whole issue is optimizing search results, lets just create an "Archive" namespace that is not included in search by default. Moving to archive is different from deleting because only admins can see deleted content. On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 4:11 AM Lester Caine wrote: > On 22/04/2019

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Document personal tags in Proposed_features/ space, User: space, or Tag:/Key: space?

2019-08-15 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I agree with Christoph -- every tag used in OSM data must be documented -- otherwise it has near-zero value.. Actually negative value because it confuses people -- some might want to delete it, but they don't know if it is useful, so they just leave it there almost indefinitely. In an ideal world

Re: [OSM-talk] Overpass API - Fetching countries, their capitals, and their borders

2019-08-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
You can use Sophox to pull this type of information, possibly just not all at once. Here's a query that will give you all first level country sub-divisions (Canada in this case), as well as each province's Captial, Flag image, and ISO codes. https://tinyurl.com/y6jowy8v (this query was modified

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-29 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 6:19 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > speaking about risks, having an incomplete network of verified, correct > roads is probably more useful and less troublesome than an "overcomplete" > one which also contains non-existent roads (e.g. waterways interpreted as > roads) or

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaboration with OpenStreetMap

2019-07-29 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Also, fully accurate data is a myth, even if we only have 1% completeness. Once data is beyond a certain size, it is guaranteed to be wrong, simply because humans always make mistakes and things always become outdated. We can only discuss how close we are to the ideal "perfect accuracy", and what

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Let me get this straight: * I create a dataset from public data sources, e.g. a list of roads, and publish it under the Public Domain dedication (i.e. CC0). (I agree that MIT is weird here). * Afterwards, I make a subset of my original data by removing any roads I found elsewhere, e.g. in a

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
stevea, I would not be exactly the same person without OSM. Does it mean ODbL applies to me? A hammer was used to build a house, but the house does not have hammer's copyright. Just because some data was used in the process does not necessarily mean that whoever saw that data taints everything

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-14 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Stevea, I think this discussion mixes two topics, as Martin pointed out: * I want to be credited for my work (i.e. you couldn't have done it without me, just say so) * I want to control what you do with the results of my work (i.e. you must not kill baby seals using the map I created) The first

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki templates and DataItems

2019-11-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I would love to fully transition to data items, as it would make translation and cross-language tag consistency far easier. We now have a data item editor you can enable by going to preferences / gadgets, and enabling it. *

[OSM-talk] New tool to download OSM data from all mirrors in parallel

2020-01-28 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
For those who download OSM data regularly, there is now a simple way to reduce the load on the primary OSM servers, while also making download much faster and ensure the data is correct. OpenMapTiles new tool downloads the planet from all mirrors in parallel. It usually takes just a few minutes,

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

2020-02-02 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
The news mentions that downloads from Planet OSM are currently rate limited to 400 kB/s and suggest to use mirrors, but does not mention the related announcement about the new tool to simplify such downloads. I think it will help anyone downloading, and it might be worth including in the next

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

2020-02-02 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Andy, two major reasons: * Anyone working on an evolving project like OpenMapTiles would attest that the import schema constantly changes. Every time schema changes, one needs to download newest planet, import it based on the new schema, and run diffs from that point. * Automation / easy

Re: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #497 2020-01-21-2020-01-27

2020-02-03 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Andy, I agree that being frugal with bandwidth is important. Yet, there is a significant operations cost involved here, that I suspect very few will actually be willing to spend, unless it is made trivial -- the cost of setting up an independent planet file update pipeline - i.e. a docker image

Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-07 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Thanks Stevea, I really liked your examples. And thank you Mikel - I agree. OSM already has substantial amount of non-physical but relevant information (e.g. many IDs pointing to external registries), and as Stevea points out - even naming for something local could be contradictory (e.g. two

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM/LondonOSM | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
something we need to document in OSM, but it highlights that language is not homogeneous with naming and just makes a fun story :) On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 6:22 AM Rory McCann wrote: > On 07.02.20 20:22, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > > (e.g. two fairly large groups of people could refer to

Re: [OSM-talk] OTG rule, borders & mountains existing | Re: Crimea situation - on the ground

2020-02-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I am in favor of this or similar language. I think for a more vote-like discussion it might be better to use the wiki talk page (easier to add +1s and short comments). On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 2:59 PM stevea wrote: > I don't know if here or https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Talk:Good_practice is a >

Re: [OSM-talk] Creation of "Data Items" by bot for undocumented tags

2020-02-18 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
It is very strange that we, on one hand, allow anyone to create any kind of tags (just type it in), and on the other we create so many hurdles to document it (we refuse to allow a wiki page about an item, but instead demand that each key page go through a proposals process, approve it, etc). I

Re: [OSM-talk] Testing torrents for the planet dump

2020-02-09 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Christian, I would like to add torrent support to the download-osm tool [1]. While I could try to scrape https://osm.cquest.org/torrents/ , I would obviously rather use the structured xml file (or if you could provide a JSON file, even better). Proposed logic: * get the catalog file (xml/json) *

Re: [OSM-talk] iD as default editor

2019-12-22 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
check your OSM settings. AFAIK, iD is the default editor. On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 2:10 AM Sören Reinecke via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Hello, > > so far I know currently Postlatch is the default editor on osm.org . > Since it needs Flash to run and most users do not have Flash

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM is not the place for dissemination of authoritative data sets

2020-03-19 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I second Jóhannes -- every dataset, including OSM itself (hehe) has errors. Consuming each additional dataset is a complex task -- each dataset has its own structure and conventions, thus the fewer datasets one has to work with, the better. The fundamental problem with 99.9% of the datasets

Re: [OSM-talk] Many processes not defined | Re: Proposal for Software Dispute Resolution Panel

2020-08-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Mikel, I might be misunderstanding what you meant, but in my opinion conformity is required for this type of project, and I do hope iD/JOSM/... help us achieve that. To clarify: * features with the same meaning (type) should be mapped the same way, otherwise each consumer must understand all of

Re: [OSM-talk] Sophox server down

2020-12-04 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
The Hetzner hardware gave up, and I have to rebuild it. Elastic (the company I work for) has donated their Google Cloud resources, so just need to spend some time on it, and see if a GCP VM would work as well as a bare metal box. On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 12:14 PM Yves P. wrote: > Hi, > > The

Re: [Talk-us] More-complex wiki pages are spitting up Lua errors

2018-09-21 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
I think the Lua crashing is related to this discussion: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Extension_talk:Scribunto/Lua_error:_Internal_error:_The_interpreter_has_terminated_with_signal_%2224%22 . > You set $wgScribuntoEngineConf['luastandalone']['cpuLimit'] too low. Either raise it or unset

Re: [Talk-us] More-complex wiki pages are spitting up Lua errors

2018-09-24 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Yep, that's probably because Tom has merged the settings change :) Thanks for reporting it! On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 1:06 PM OSM Volunteer stevea < stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote: > Well, I'm no longer seeing the Lua errors I saw, so "caches cleared" (all > the way down) and the problem seems

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