Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Paul Johnson]

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Jinal Foflia 
wrote:

> I'd suggest WOSM or WD-OSM :)
>

I think the World Organization for the Scouting Movement beat us to WOSM.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Janko Mihelić]

pon, 18. ruj 2017. u 18:55 Oleksiy Muzalyev 
napisao je:

> It is not bad. But it is centered on two data bases - the Wikidata and the
> OSM. What if in the future there will be more open data sources readily
> available?
>

 Wikidata already gives you a way to connect its data to any other
database. You already have IMDB id for movies, MusicBrainz artist ID for
music, and so on. Actually, there are 1994 databases connected to Wikidata
right now, growing as we speak. So, if you really need data from these
other databases, WOQ can be your starting connector.

Janko
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

It is not bad. But it is centered on two data bases - the Wikidata and 
the OSM. What if in the future there will be more open data sources 
readily available?


Say, a query to listen to an audio-book or listen to music written in a 
certain city, view vacancies, see paintings from museums in a region, 
aerial images of an area, etc.


If synergy, the creation of a whole that is greater than the simple sum 
of its parts, is possible for two parts, then it may be possible for 
more parts too.


Oleksiy

On 9/18/2017 5:13 PM, Janko Mihelić wrote:
I like WOQ. Or maybe WOQL to continue with the SQL, SparQL, MySQL and 
so on. Wok imagery seems nice too.


Janko

pon, 18. ruj 2017. u 09:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev 
> 
napisao je:


Wikipedia is not only about data directly related to the map, it
is also
about mathematics, music, astronomy, etc.  But these disciplines
certainly have a relation to a map via places of birth, study, etc.
So what if to continue the traditions of:
MySQL
PostgresSQL
SparQL
Transact-SQL
etc.

Those who worked with a SQL Structured Query Language know what a
powerful tool it is. The Wikipedia (Wikidata) describes the
universe as
we on Earth know it. So my suggestion:

UniverSQL
or a short final variant:
U-SQL

Univers is the French variant of the english word Universe (lat.
Universum).
Best regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 09/17/2017 11:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote:
> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
> woq.com

Minimum offer 90 EUR, who knows maybe you're lucky. Otherwise, why not
stick with WOQ as the name and use a domain likq woqservice.* et al.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Janko Mihelić]

I like WOQ. Or maybe WOQL to continue with the SQL, SparQL, MySQL and so
on. Wok imagery seems nice too.

Janko

pon, 18. ruj 2017. u 09:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev 
napisao je:

> Wikipedia is not only about data directly related to the map, it is also
> about mathematics, music, astronomy, etc.  But these disciplines
> certainly have a relation to a map via places of birth, study, etc.
> So what if to continue the traditions of:
> MySQL
> PostgresSQL
> SparQL
> Transact-SQL
> etc.
>
> Those who worked with a SQL Structured Query Language know what a
> powerful tool it is. The Wikipedia (Wikidata) describes the universe as
> we on Earth know it. So my suggestion:
>
> UniverSQL
> or a short final variant:
> U-SQL
>
> Univers is the French variant of the english word Universe (lat.
> Universum).
> Best regards,
> Oleksiy
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

Wikipedia is not only about data directly related to the map, it is also 
about mathematics, music, astronomy, etc.  But these disciplines 
certainly have a relation to a map via places of birth, study, etc.

So what if to continue the traditions of:
MySQL
PostgresSQL
SparQL
Transact-SQL
etc.

Those who worked with a SQL Structured Query Language know what a 
powerful tool it is. The Wikipedia (Wikidata) describes the universe as 
we on Earth know it. So my suggestion:


UniverSQL
or a short final variant:
U-SQL

Univers is the French variant of the english word Universe (lat. Universum).
Best regards,
Oleksiy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[James]

Mappy McDataFace+1

On Sep 17, 2017 8:05 PM, "Blake Girardot HOT/OSM" 
wrote:

Mappy McDataFace is a serious suggestion, please include it in any
official lists of proposals.

Cheers
Blake

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Yuri Astrakhan 
wrote:
> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
> woq.com :)
>
> These names were proposed
> woq   2
> wdoqs
> woqs
> q936
>
> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good
according
> to Legal
> wosm  2
> wikosm
> wdosm
> wikidosm
>
> (P.S. Sorry for double - hit send too fast before fixing the first list)
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan 
> wrote:
>>
>> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
>> woq.com :)
>>
>> These names were proposed
>> woq   2
>> wdoqs
>> wdosm
>> woqs
>> q936
>>
>> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good
>> according to Legal
>> wosm  2
>> wikosm
>> wikidosm
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe there is a slight misunderstanding, while remixing
>>> OpenStreetMap/OSM/etc in various ways may result in cutesy copycat
domain
>>> names they simply do not jibe well with reality.
>>>
>>> Not only does every single one of them weaken the standing of the marks
>>> themselves and make is increasingly difficult to take action against
misuse,
>>> they are further uncontrollable liabilities for the whole community. I
gave
>>> the example of OpenWeatherMap, but there are others that would be really
>>> painful if they ended up in the hands of your fav giant tech corp.
>>>
>>> That said, I'm not sure why you believe the policy has broken something,
>>> with the exception of a few local chapters, to my knowledge, the OSMF
has
>>> never granted a licence to anybody to use the marks in a domain name. As
>>> outlined in the FAQ we will be operating a grandfathering scheme to
legalize
>>> such use after the fact so actually making such use legit for the first
>>> time.
>>>
>>> And yes: WoQ would be a wonderful name for Yuris service and shows that
>>> it is completely possible to break out of the old schema of simply
copying
>>> OSM.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 17.09.2017 um 15:57 schrieb Yves:
>>>
>>> So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
>>> Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
>>> Yves
>>>
>>> Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
>>>  a écrit :

 Hi,

 How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?

 I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
 a protected mark, not sure about osm.

 But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
 with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.

 Cheers
 blake

 On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan
  wrote:
>
>  The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>  important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>
>  * wikosm
>  * wikidosm
>
>  Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>  databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be
> good
>  to reflect that in the name.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_
SPARQL_query_service
>
>  P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and
> caching...
>
> 
>  talk mailing list
>  talk@openstreetmap.org
>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk


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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

Mappy McDataFace is a serious suggestion, please include it in any
official lists of proposals.

Cheers
Blake

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Yuri Astrakhan  wrote:
> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
> woq.com :)
>
> These names were proposed
> woq   2
> wdoqs
> woqs
> q936
>
> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good according
> to Legal
> wosm  2
> wikosm
> wdosm
> wikidosm
>
> (P.S. Sorry for double - hit send too fast before fixing the first list)
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan 
> wrote:
>>
>> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
>> woq.com :)
>>
>> These names were proposed
>> woq   2
>> wdoqs
>> wdosm
>> woqs
>> q936
>>
>> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good
>> according to Legal
>> wosm  2
>> wikosm
>> wikidosm
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe there is a slight misunderstanding, while remixing
>>> OpenStreetMap/OSM/etc in various ways may result in cutesy copycat domain
>>> names they simply do not jibe well with reality.
>>>
>>> Not only does every single one of them weaken the standing of the marks
>>> themselves and make is increasingly difficult to take action against misuse,
>>> they are further uncontrollable liabilities for the whole community. I gave
>>> the example of OpenWeatherMap, but there are others that would be really
>>> painful if they ended up in the hands of your fav giant tech corp.
>>>
>>> That said, I'm not sure why you believe the policy has broken something,
>>> with the exception of a few local chapters, to my knowledge, the OSMF has
>>> never granted a licence to anybody to use the marks in a domain name. As
>>> outlined in the FAQ we will be operating a grandfathering scheme to legalize
>>> such use after the fact so actually making such use legit for the first
>>> time.
>>>
>>> And yes: WoQ would be a wonderful name for Yuris service and shows that
>>> it is completely possible to break out of the old schema of simply copying
>>> OSM.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 17.09.2017 um 15:57 schrieb Yves:
>>>
>>> So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
>>> Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
>>> Yves
>>>
>>> Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
>>>  a écrit :

 Hi,

 How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?

 I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
 a protected mark, not sure about osm.

 But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
 with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.

 Cheers
 blake

 On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan
  wrote:
>
>  The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>  important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>
>  * wikosm
>  * wikidosm
>
>  Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>  databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be
> good
>  to reflect that in the name.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>
>  P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and
> caching...
>
> 
>  talk mailing list
>  talk@openstreetmap.org
>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk


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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Pierre Béland]

Then WiseOM ! No OSM license and neither hotosm Blake ;)
 
Pierre 


  De : Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com>
 À : winfi...@gmail.com 
Cc : OpenStreetMap talk mailing list <talk@openstreetmap.org>
 Envoyé le : Dimanche 17 Septembre 2017 19h20
 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata 
service?
   
RichardF on IRC suggested "semaptic" >  take the "semantic" word associated 
with wikidata and add moar mapswhich seem to have gained a few support votes 
there.   Does it have any negative meanings in any languages?
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote:

SparklyMapData or SparklyDataMap

2017-09-17 23:46 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com>:

One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford woq.com 
:)
These names were proposedwoq   2wdoqs 
woqs
q936
And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good according to 
Legalwosm  2wikosmwdosm wikidosm
(P.S. Sorry for double - hit send too fast before fixing the first list)
On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> wrote:

One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford woq.com 
:)
These names were proposedwoq   2wdoqs 
wdosm woqsq936
And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good according to 
Legalwosm  2wikosmwikidosm

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:

  I believe there is a slight misunderstanding, while remixing 
OpenStreetMap/OSM/etc in various ways may result in cutesy copycat domain names 
they simply do not jibe well with reality. Not only does every single one of 
them weaken the standing of the marks themselves and make is increasingly 
difficult to take action against misuse, they are further uncontrollable 
liabilities for the whole community. I gave the example of OpenWeatherMap, but 
there are others that would be really painful if they ended up in the hands of 
your fav giant tech corp. That said, I'm not sure why you believe the policy 
has broken something, with the exception of a few local chapters, to my 
knowledge, the OSMF has never granted a licence to anybody to use the marks in 
a domain name. As outlined in the FAQ we will be operating a grandfathering 
scheme to legalize such use after the fact so actually making such use legit 
for the first time. And yes: WoQ would be a wonderful name for Yuris service 
and shows that it is completely possible to break out of the old schema of 
simply copying OSM. Simon
  
 Am 17.09.2017 um 15:57 schrieb Yves:
  
So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
 Sad, this policy definitely broke something. 
 Yves 
 
 Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot <bgirar...@gmail.com> 
a écrit : 
 Hi,

How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?

I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
a protected mark, not sure about osm.

But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.

Cheers
blake

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrak...@gmail.com> wrote:

 The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most 
important thing - a good name. So far my two choices are: * wikosm * wikidosm 
Suggestions? Votes? The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap databases, 
and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be good to reflect that 
in the name. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org /wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_qu 
ery_service P.S. I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and 
caching... talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org 
https://lists.openstreetmap.or g/listinfo/talk
 
  
  
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Yuri Astrakhan]

RichardF on IRC suggested "semaptic"
>  take the "semantic" word associated with wikidata and add moar maps
which seem to have gained a few support votes there.   Does it have any
negative meanings in any languages?

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Jo  wrote:

> SparklyMapData or SparklyDataMap
>
> 2017-09-17 23:46 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan :
>
>> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
>> woq.com :)
>>
>> These names were proposed
>> woq   2
>> wdoqs
>> woqs
>> q936
>>
>> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good
>> according to Legal
>> wosm  2
>> wikosm
>> wdosm
>> wikidosm
>>
>> (P.S. Sorry for double - hit send too fast before fixing the first list)
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
>>> woq.com :)
>>>
>>> These names were proposed
>>> woq   2
>>> wdoqs
>>> wdosm
>>> woqs
>>> q936
>>>
>>> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good
>>> according to Legal
>>> wosm  2
>>> wikosm
>>> wikidosm
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>>
 I believe there is a slight misunderstanding, while remixing
 OpenStreetMap/OSM/etc in various ways may result in cutesy copycat domain
 names they simply do not jibe well with reality.

 Not only does every single one of them weaken the standing of the marks
 themselves and make is increasingly difficult to take action against
 misuse, they are further uncontrollable liabilities for the whole
 community. I gave the example of OpenWeatherMap, but there are others that
 would be really painful if they ended up in the hands of your fav giant
 tech corp.

 That said, I'm not sure why you believe the policy has broken
 something, with the exception of a few local chapters, to my knowledge, the
 OSMF has never granted a licence to anybody to use the marks in a domain
 name. As outlined in the FAQ we will be operating a grandfathering scheme
 to legalize such use after the fact so actually making such use legit for
 the first time.

 And yes: WoQ would be a wonderful name for Yuris service and shows that
 it is completely possible to break out of the old schema of simply copying
 OSM.

 Simon

 Am 17.09.2017 um 15:57 schrieb Yves:

 So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
 Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
 Yves

 Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
   a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?
>
> I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
> a protected mark, not sure about osm.
>
> But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
> with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.
>
> Cheers
> blake
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan  
>  wrote:
>>
>>  The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>>  important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>>
>>  * wikosm
>>  * wikidosm
>>
>>  Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>>  databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be 
>> good
>>  to reflect that in the name.
>>
>>  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>>
>>  P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Jo]

SparklyMapData or SparklyDataMap

2017-09-17 23:46 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan :

> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
> woq.com :)
>
> These names were proposed
> woq   2
> wdoqs
> woqs
> q936
>
> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good
> according to Legal
> wosm  2
> wikosm
> wdosm
> wikidosm
>
> (P.S. Sorry for double - hit send too fast before fixing the first list)
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan 
> wrote:
>
>> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
>> woq.com :)
>>
>> These names were proposed
>> woq   2
>> wdoqs
>> wdosm
>> woqs
>> q936
>>
>> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good
>> according to Legal
>> wosm  2
>> wikosm
>> wikidosm
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>>
>>> I believe there is a slight misunderstanding, while remixing
>>> OpenStreetMap/OSM/etc in various ways may result in cutesy copycat domain
>>> names they simply do not jibe well with reality.
>>>
>>> Not only does every single one of them weaken the standing of the marks
>>> themselves and make is increasingly difficult to take action against
>>> misuse, they are further uncontrollable liabilities for the whole
>>> community. I gave the example of OpenWeatherMap, but there are others that
>>> would be really painful if they ended up in the hands of your fav giant
>>> tech corp.
>>>
>>> That said, I'm not sure why you believe the policy has broken something,
>>> with the exception of a few local chapters, to my knowledge, the OSMF has
>>> never granted a licence to anybody to use the marks in a domain name. As
>>> outlined in the FAQ we will be operating a grandfathering scheme to
>>> legalize such use after the fact so actually making such use legit for the
>>> first time.
>>>
>>> And yes: WoQ would be a wonderful name for Yuris service and shows that
>>> it is completely possible to break out of the old schema of simply copying
>>> OSM.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> Am 17.09.2017 um 15:57 schrieb Yves:
>>>
>>> So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
>>> Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
>>> Yves
>>>
>>> Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
>>>   a écrit :

 Hi,

 How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?

 I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
 a protected mark, not sure about osm.

 But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
 with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.

 Cheers
 blake

 On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan  
  wrote:
>
>  The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>  important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>
>  * wikosm
>  * wikidosm
>
>  Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>  databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be 
> good
>  to reflect that in the name.
>
>  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>
>  P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Yuri Astrakhan]

One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
woq.com :)

These names were proposed
woq   2
wdoqs
woqs
q936

And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good according
to Legal
wosm  2
wikosm
wdosm
wikidosm

(P.S. Sorry for double - hit send too fast before fixing the first list)

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Yuri Astrakhan 
wrote:

> One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
> woq.com :)
>
> These names were proposed
> woq   2
> wdoqs
> wdosm
> woqs
> q936
>
> And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good
> according to Legal
> wosm  2
> wikosm
> wikidosm
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:
>
>> I believe there is a slight misunderstanding, while remixing
>> OpenStreetMap/OSM/etc in various ways may result in cutesy copycat domain
>> names they simply do not jibe well with reality.
>>
>> Not only does every single one of them weaken the standing of the marks
>> themselves and make is increasingly difficult to take action against
>> misuse, they are further uncontrollable liabilities for the whole
>> community. I gave the example of OpenWeatherMap, but there are others that
>> would be really painful if they ended up in the hands of your fav giant
>> tech corp.
>>
>> That said, I'm not sure why you believe the policy has broken something,
>> with the exception of a few local chapters, to my knowledge, the OSMF has
>> never granted a licence to anybody to use the marks in a domain name. As
>> outlined in the FAQ we will be operating a grandfathering scheme to
>> legalize such use after the fact so actually making such use legit for the
>> first time.
>>
>> And yes: WoQ would be a wonderful name for Yuris service and shows that
>> it is completely possible to break out of the old schema of simply copying
>> OSM.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> Am 17.09.2017 um 15:57 schrieb Yves:
>>
>> So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
>> Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
>> Yves
>>
>> Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
>>   a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?
>>>
>>> I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
>>> a protected mark, not sure about osm.
>>>
>>> But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
>>> with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> blake
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan  
>>>  wrote:

  The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
  important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:

  * wikosm
  * wikidosm

  Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
  databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be good
  to reflect that in the name.

  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service

  P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...

 --

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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Yuri Astrakhan]

One thing we should consider is the domain name.  I doubt we can afford
woq.com :)

These names were proposed
woq   2
wdoqs
wdosm
woqs
q936

And these proposed names have OSM in them, so likely are not good according
to Legal
wosm  2
wikosm
wikidosm


On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Simon Poole  wrote:

> I believe there is a slight misunderstanding, while remixing
> OpenStreetMap/OSM/etc in various ways may result in cutesy copycat domain
> names they simply do not jibe well with reality.
>
> Not only does every single one of them weaken the standing of the marks
> themselves and make is increasingly difficult to take action against
> misuse, they are further uncontrollable liabilities for the whole
> community. I gave the example of OpenWeatherMap, but there are others that
> would be really painful if they ended up in the hands of your fav giant
> tech corp.
>
> That said, I'm not sure why you believe the policy has broken something,
> with the exception of a few local chapters, to my knowledge, the OSMF has
> never granted a licence to anybody to use the marks in a domain name. As
> outlined in the FAQ we will be operating a grandfathering scheme to
> legalize such use after the fact so actually making such use legit for the
> first time.
>
> And yes: WoQ would be a wonderful name for Yuris service and shows that it
> is completely possible to break out of the old schema of simply copying OSM.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 17.09.2017 um 15:57 schrieb Yves:
>
> So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
> Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
> Yves
>
> Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
>   a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?
>>
>> I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
>> a protected mark, not sure about osm.
>>
>> But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
>> with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.
>>
>> Cheers
>> blake
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan  
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>>>  important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>>>
>>>  * wikosm
>>>  * wikidosm
>>>
>>>  Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>>>  databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be good
>>>  to reflect that in the name.
>>>
>>>  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>>>
>>>  P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>  talk mailing list
>>>  talk@openstreetmap.org
>>>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Simon Poole]

I believe there is a slight misunderstanding, while remixing
OpenStreetMap/OSM/etc in various ways may result in cutesy copycat
domain names they simply do not jibe well with reality.

Not only does every single one of them weaken the standing of the marks
themselves and make is increasingly difficult to take action against
misuse, they are further uncontrollable liabilities for the whole
community. I gave the example of OpenWeatherMap, but there are others
that would be really painful if they ended up in the hands of your fav
giant tech corp.

That said, I'm not sure why you believe the policy has broken something,
with the exception of a few local chapters, to my knowledge, the OSMF
has never granted a licence to anybody to use the marks in a domain
name. As outlined in the FAQ we will be operating a grandfathering
scheme to legalize such use after the fact so actually making such use
legit for the first time.

And yes: WoQ would be a wonderful name for Yuris service and shows that
it is completely possible to break out of the old schema of simply
copying OSM.

Simon


Am 17.09.2017 um 15:57 schrieb Yves:
> So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
> Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
> Yves
>
> Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
>  a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?
>
> I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
> a protected mark, not sure about osm.
>
> But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
> with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.
>
> Cheers
> blake
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan  
> wrote:
>
> The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks
> the most important thing - a good name. So far my two choices
> are: * wikosm * wikidosm Suggestions? Votes? The service
> combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap databases, and uses SPARQL
> (query language) to search it, so might be good to reflect
> that in the name.
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
> P.S. I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and
> caching...
> 
> 
> talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Blake Girardot HOT/OSM]

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Yves  wrote:
> So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
> Sad, this policy definitely broke something.
> Yves
>

I agree 100%

Respectfully,
blake


> Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot
>  a écrit :
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?
>>
>> I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
>> a protected mark, not sure about osm.
>>
>> But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
>> with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.
>>
>> Cheers
>> blake
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>>>  important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>>>
>>>  * wikosm
>>>  * wikidosm
>>>
>>>  Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>>>  databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be
>>> good
>>>  to reflect that in the name.
>>>
>>>  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>>>
>>>  P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  talk mailing list
>>>  talk@openstreetmap.org
>>>  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Bryan Housel]

I’d call it Q936  :)
Bryan



2017-09-16 23:11 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan >:
The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most important 
thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:

* wikosm
* wikidosm

Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap 
databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be good to 
reflect that in the name.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service 


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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Yves]

So, no OpenSparqlMap, then? :(
Sad, this policy definitely broke something. 
Yves 

Le 17 septembre 2017 12:58:12 GMT+02:00, Blake Girardot  a 
écrit :
>Hi,
>
>How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?
>
>I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
>a protected mark, not sure about osm.
>
>But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
>with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.
>
>Cheers
>blake
>
>On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan
> wrote:
>> The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>> important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>>
>> * wikosm
>> * wikidosm
>>
>> Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>> databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be
>good
>> to reflect that in the name.
>>
>>
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>>
>> P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and
>caching...
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Blake Girardot]

Hi,

How does this relate to the new draft trademark policy?

I can't tell from the draft policy, but I believe that OSM at least is
a protected mark, not sure about osm.

But I do think Simone Poole asked the community to stop naming things
with osm trademarks in them or variations on openstreetmap phrase.

Cheers
blake

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Yuri Astrakhan  wrote:
> The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
> important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>
> * wikosm
> * wikidosm
>
> Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
> databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be good
> to reflect that in the name.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>
> P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Florian Schäfer]

Hi,
my suggestion would be WOQ (pronounced like "Wok"), which would be short
for "Wikidata-OSM-Queryservice". Or WOQs, if you don't want to only use
one letter for "query" and "service".
The soundalike word "Wok" could also in my opinion be a good metaphor,
you can put Wikidata and OSM data "into a Wok" and "cook" something new
out of it. Maybe the logo could then be a Wok containing map elements
like highways, rivers, forests and so on and also something representing
Wikidata (like the colourful barcode).

Cheers,
Florian

Am 16.09.2017 um 23:11 schrieb Yuri Astrakhan:
> The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
> important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>
> * wikosm
> * wikidosm
>
> Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
> databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be
> good to reflect that in the name.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>
> P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...



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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Jinal Foflia]

I'd suggest WOSM or WD-OSM :)

Cheers,

Jinal Foflia

On Sep 17, 2017 11:03 AM, "djakk djakk"  wrote:

> Wikidata+OSM as the long name, and w+OSM or wOSM as the short name ? :)
>
> 2017-09-16 23:11 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan :
>
>> The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>> important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>>
>> * wikosm
>> * wikidosm
>>
>> Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>> databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be good
>> to reflect that in the name.
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>>
>> P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Shu Higashi]

wdoqs (WikiData Osm Query Service) ?

2017-09-17 14:30 GMT+09:00, djakk djakk :
> Wikidata+OSM as the long name, and w+OSM or wOSM as the short name ? :)
>
> 2017-09-16 23:11 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan :
>
>> The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
>> important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>>
>> * wikosm
>> * wikidosm
>>
>> Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
>> databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be
>> good
>> to reflect that in the name.
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>>
>> P.S.  I know this is the hardest problem after off-by-one and caching...
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[djakk djakk]

Wikidata+OSM as the long name, and w+OSM or wOSM as the short name ? :)

2017-09-16 23:11 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan :

> The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
> important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:
>
> * wikosm
> * wikidosm
>
> Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
> databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be good
> to reflect that in the name.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service
>
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[OSM-talk] Name challenge - what to call the new OSM+Wikidata service?

[Yuri Astrakhan]

The new service is getting more and more usage, but it lacks the most
important thing - a good name.  So far my two choices are:

* wikosm
* wikidosm

Suggestions?  Votes?  The service combines Wikidata and OpenStreetMap
databases, and uses SPARQL (query language) to search it, so might be good
to reflect that in the name.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata%2BOSM_SPARQL_query_service

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