Obscurity won't stop terrorists, so we might as well map them. It will
make it easier for law enforcement to find them, too.
As an aside, the last couple of months I noticed somebody in
Turkmenistan had added a number of "banks" and "bars" in Ashgabat, using
MAPS.ME, with very strange,
On 19/01/2023 10:00, Marc_marc wrote:
it's funny to find here and in different proposals this justification
I find it fanciful
You don't find tall structures, viewable from miles around useful
markers while out & about? How strange.
DaveF
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Data in general about electrical grids is surprisingly open. Not all of
it is OSM-compatible in a copyright sense, but if you're just doing
casual research or looking into the outage tracking system of various
utilities, both public companies and cooperatives, you'll see how easy
it is to just
:* 19 January 2023 17:38
>> *To:* Nick Whitelegg
>> *Cc:* OpenStreetMap talk mailing list
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and
>> powerlines?
>>
>> I accept powerlines are fine and visible on other maps but the case for
>&g
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 17:41, john whelan wrote:
> I accept powerlines are fine and visible on other maps but the case for
> transformers isn't quite so strong.
In the UK, the location of major transmission lines and substations is
freely available on the National Grid website (well, it's under
On 19/01/2023 17:44, john whelan wrote:
On a side issue I wonder if Microsoft's building detector could pick out
telephone boxes in the UK?
I doubt it. It doesn't spot the AA box at the A40 / A479 junction.
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On 19/01/2023 03:03, john whelan wrote:
Should we have a process that says some things should not be mapped?
No.
Next question?
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Why are we mapping these infrastructures. Well these are major infrastructures
and quite an asset in OSM to let compare from country to country. Dont you know
https://openinframap.org/ ?
I do map major infrastructures such as dams, hydro-electric power plants and
substation and high voltage
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> *From:* john whelan
> *Sent:* 19 January 2023 17:38
> *To:* Nick Whitelegg
> *Cc:* OpenStreetMap talk mailing list
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and
> powerlines?
>
> I accept powerlines are fine and visible on other maps bu
mailing list
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?
I accept powerlines are fine and visible on other maps but the case for
transformers isn't quite so strong.
Cheerio John
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, 12:15 Nick Whitelegg via talk
mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org
> *From:* john whelan
> *Sent:* 19 January 2023 03:03
> *To:* OpenStreetMap talk mailing list
> *Subject:* [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?
>
> Apparently you can do a lot of expensive damage by firing a rifle bullet
> through th
of continental European
countries.
Nick
From: john whelan
Sent: 19 January 2023 03:03
To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list
Subject: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?
Apparently you can do a lot of expensive damage by firing a rifle
Am Do., 19. Jan. 2023 um 15:33 Uhr schrieb John Whelan <
jwhelan0...@gmail.com>:
> Someone shoots out a dozen at minus 20c, two can cut off electricity to a
> city of a million people. One or two you can replace quickly a dozen at
> the same time you're talking months to restore power.
>
you
I suspect you can do a lot less damage to a concrete dam with a rifle
than a transformer.
As long as we have discussed the matter I think that is all that
matters. I'm happy and content.
Worse case scenario
A guy called Putin has been targeting them in Ukraine. Copycat.
Someone shoots out
The example from Marc_marc tells us keeping underground things hidden is bad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislenghien_disaster
As for underwater, in the 1990s and early 2000s Iceland kept getting
disconnected from the rest of the Internet by fishing ships trawling the
CANTAT-3 branch, which
john whelan:
Apparently you can do a lot of expensive damage by firing a rifle bullet through them
as happened more than once in the US and given the situation in Europe at the moment
is there a risk that something similar could happen there?
Should we have a process that says some things
Le 19.01.23 à 04:29, Brian M. Sperlongano a écrit :
Navigational landmarks while hiking.
it's funny to find here and in different proposals this justification
I find it fanciful
yesterday I mapped the species of a tree, it is practical to navigate:
to go to mr dupont, take the road with a
Le 19.01.23 à 04:03, john whelan a écrit :
Thoughts?
a criminal has already used a kitchen knife to commit a murder,
now in the press we regularly see comments saying that carrying
a knife is a reprehensible act. may I still map a shop selling knife ?
I hope that no criminal will use a chair
Believing that not mapping power lines on OSM would stop people from damaging
them is the same as believing removing a path from the map would stop people
from walking on it.
It is not our job to police people. Any knowledge can be used to hurt. But the
alternative to mapping is not knowing,
Am Do., 19. Jan. 2023 um 04:17 Uhr schrieb john whelan <
jwhelan0...@gmail.com>:
> Perhaps you could expand on the benefits of mapping them?
>
this is really not a question we ever ask ourselves regarding mappability,
while there are of course some answers to this for power infrastructure, it
On 19/1/23 14:03, john whelan wrote:
Apparently you can do a lot of expensive damage by firing a rifle
bullet through them as happened more than once in the US and given the
situation in Europe at the moment is there a risk that something
similar could happen there?
Should we have a
Ever been lost someplace where that's the only obvious set of fixed
landmarks?
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:16 PM john whelan wrote:
> Perhaps you could expand on the benefits of mapping them?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 10:09 PM stevea, wrote:
>
>> I'd like to say "oh, please..."
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 7:05 PM john whelan wrote:
> Apparently you can do a lot of expensive damage by firing a rifle bullet
> through them as happened more than once in the US and given the situation
> in Europe at the moment is there a risk that something similar could happen
> there?
>
>
Navigational landmarks while hiking.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 10:17 PM john whelan wrote:
> Perhaps you could expand on the benefits of mapping them?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 10:09 PM stevea, wrote:
>
>> I'd like to say "oh, please..." because this seems a bit harsh. But I
>>
On Jan 18, 2023, at 7:13 PM, john whelan wrote:
> Perhaps you could expand on the benefits of mapping them?
I don't wish to sound antagonistic, but that's like asking "what good is our
map" and expecting the infinite "creative and unexpected purposes" that have,
do and will evolve from our
Perhaps you could expand on the benefits of mapping them?
Thanks John
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 10:09 PM stevea, wrote:
> I'd like to say "oh, please..." because this seems a bit harsh. But I
> understand that people can be sensitive.
>
> But this is OSM and I'd like to believe we live in a world
I'd like to say "oh, please..." because this seems a bit harsh. But I
understand that people can be sensitive.
But this is OSM and I'd like to believe we live in a world that is more free
rather than less free. What's next, do we stop mapping pre-school or
kindergartens because they have
Apparently you can do a lot of expensive damage by firing a rifle bullet
through them as happened more than once in the US and given the situation
in Europe at the moment is there a risk that something similar could happen
there?
Should we have a process that says some things should not be
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