Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2020-01-05 Thread stevea
On Jan 5, 2020, at 9:48 PM, Julien djakk wrote: > Hello ! For this kind of tagging, which is as subjective as the > highway=secondary, there should be a consensus of local mappers. > > This kind of areas could be tagged as “you need to know the area to be safe > among locals” :-) I listen to

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2020-01-05 Thread Julien djakk
Hello ! For this kind of tagging, which is as subjective as the highway=secondary, there should be a consensus of local mappers. This kind of areas could be tagged as “you need to know the area to be safe among locals” :-) Julien “djakk” Le lun. 6 janv. 2020 à 05:23, Paul Johnson a écrit :

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2020-01-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 12:10 PM Mark Wagner wrote: > On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:14:30 +0100 > Martin Trautmann wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > did you read about the Suisse tourist couple which was shot because > > they got lost in a Brasilian favela? > > > > NZZ (Neue Zürcher Zeitung) from Tuesday

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2020-01-01 Thread stevea
Right, Martin; thanks. Joseph and I discussed off-list there is some conflation of tags from hazard=* which intersect well with at least one or two existing military=* tag values. So, yes, there is some overlap with existing tag (natural=cliff, too). I have read our hazard wiki (thanks for

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2020-01-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 31. Dec 2019, at 19:37, stevea wrote: > > Many (most?) like radiation, live minefields, military bombing areas, military=danger_area https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:military%3Ddanger_area hazard=*

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2019-12-31 Thread stevea
I've certainly tagged plenty of natural=cliff (and I'm not done yet), there's lots of them around me. So perhaps hazard=chasm could deprecate as one value of the proposed key hazard, deferring to natural=cliff. Still, there are plenty of objective, not-going-away-soon,

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2019-12-31 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
31 Dec 2019, 19:35 by stevea...@softworkers.com: > Really? Actual, real-life hazards like [chasm > natural=cliff?___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2019-12-31 Thread stevea
Really? Actual, real-life hazards like [chasm, radiation, rock_slide, minefield...] are not worthy of that tag on a node and some Carto-code to toss up a triangle-! icon on our map? Where's the harm? (Literally). Perhaps we implement these without including (or specifically EXcluding) the

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2019-12-31 Thread Dave F via talk
This question rears its head every year or so & the conclusions are always the same: Far too subjective, Far too transient. Best left to be shown as an overlay by local authorities. My police force produce both crime & road traffic collision maps. DaveF On 31/12/2019 15:14, Martin Trautmann

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2019-12-31 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:14:30 +0100 Martin Trautmann wrote: > hi all, > > did you read about the Suisse tourist couple which was shot because > they got lost in a Brasilian favela? > > NZZ (Neue Zürcher Zeitung) from Tuesday 31.12.2019. ("Schweizer > Ehepaar bei Irrfahrt duch Favela in

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2019-12-31 Thread stevea
As a long-time OSMer, I offer perspective on two "dangerous areas" near me, one past, one present. On my university campus (University of California) there WAS an area in a meadow which was grazed by cattle (both from the original landuse from a century ago and presently, as these meadows are

Re: [OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2019-12-31 Thread James
Wouldn't that just be a crime map or a bias towards areas vs others. Sounds like an osm use case more than a needed tag On Tue., Dec. 31, 2019, 10:18 a.m. Martin Trautmann, wrote: > hi all, > > did you read about the Suisse tourist couple which was shot because they > got lost in a Brasilian

[OSM-talk] no-go-areas

2019-12-31 Thread Martin Trautmann
hi all, did you read about the Suisse tourist couple which was shot because they got lost in a Brasilian favela? NZZ (Neue Zürcher Zeitung) from Tuesday 31.12.2019. ("Schweizer Ehepaar bei Irrfahrt duch Favela in Brasilien angeschossen") Other examples are e.g. Mafia areas within Kosovo - or