On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, Darrin Smith wrote:
Not sure what your point here is Liz apart from interesting information?
Although it does back up what I was saying about the ABS begin
incomplete not having every designated place - I assume Beelbangera
doesn't even exist in the ABS data?
Still
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009, James Livingston wrote:
So now I get to go and extract the old way from dumps and then re-
upload it as a now way. You have been warned.
I've left a broken one on western NSW
I know where it is, and I'll fix it one day
preferably when the server side of things is
just information gathering away from that going-nowhere conversation on main
talk
(does not deal with any issue concerned with the value of mapping a road
width, nor how)
After about 1870 roads surveyed to 1 chain width
earlier roads, travelling stock routes, main roads and roads forming shire
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote:
Check the dates on the Wiki pages. The whole highway=path thing is
relatively recent - it may well be that the Australian Wiki advice was
written before it existed.
Maybe. But the
http://hemanavigator.com.au/
I was looking at getting a wall map of Australia for work and look what I
found.
Really interesting device.
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everyone on that list, I thought that which is the
preferred tag should be decided.
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On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Pieren wrote:
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 12:03 PM, James Livingstondoc...@mac.com wrote:
If we ignore the Australian tagging guidelines, what should we use for
roads that are the same as residential ones but in an industrial area?
According to the wiki, unclassified roads
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Blaž Lorger blaz.lor...@triera.net wrote:
I also propose extending instructions for road
classification to use width tag
I agree with everything else you wrote except width since I really don't
want to get a tape measure out and
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
Up until recently, that is today, I was tagging regional centres as
place=city, however it might be worth while tagging this as
place=regional_centre, or tagging them correctly and adding
regional_centre=yes
Wilkipedia has a list of australian cities, as
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
I wouldn't consider 3 out of 4 of those I listed as nerdy anyway, take for
example this webpage :)
http://www.mugsunco.org.au/MUGSUNCO_Welcome.html
that lot are older than me!
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On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
There seems to be quite a few 4wd clubs though, one at Nambour, another at
Caloundra and another at Maleny, most only publish snail mail addresses.
I doubt we will be able to get round them all by snail mail in time for the
meeting, so for these groups
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
I only just thought of it, but I probably need to include a suitable
copyright notice to, as this graphic and other info was a modified version
of what others have already done.
anything that started off from me is free to use
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, Franc Carter wrote:
Hi,
As an FYI, in case anyone gets caught out like I did ;-(
I was mapping out near Macquarie Feilds today and came across quite a few
streets
without street names, but then noticed that the street names were on signs
that were
bolted to the curb,
My local council has just published a street directory, advertised as more
local than your GPS
I've found the first mistake already
I'm sure the people down the road will be pleased to find their place of
business ( a seed business) has been taken over by a church group
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote:
've tweaked a few more things, the state names show at the same zoom level
as the state capitals, although Queensland isn't showing, most likely
because the place node is too close to the coral sea islands place node.
move the coral sea islands ;-)
and industrial areas as residential too, even
though dwellings are not the prime buildings.
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, Florian Lohoff wrote:
In that one case it's okay.
Reason:
* There can only be ONE maxspeed on a road. ever!
Please add per direction on a road.
at a given time.
(we have reduced maxspeed in front of schools depending on time, day and
whether it is term time)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
I had a very early morning check on the website and tried to make a login,
then decided that the requirements for application at 0400 were beyond me.
I'd have to be able to nut out stuff about the API, which isn't my
interest (or ability).
Calls for
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Simone Cortesi wrote:
Does OSM invalidates GPS data after some time? Otherwise, roads
continuously changes and after we will have a big cloud of points that
don't make any sense.
No, it doesn't. GPX tracks stay where they are forever and continue
being served by
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than
tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure
which is better.
the Key:maxheight says it clearly
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxheight
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Lars Aronsson wrote:
Most businesses would register the postal address where
they receive mail from tax authorities, not the shop front door.
So you would find me, and another hundred businesses, at the one address. It
will be an accountants when you arrived at the
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote:
No, you're wrong here. Maxheight is an element of the way that goes
under the bridge. It is caused by the bridge, but it is not part of
the bridge.
You're saying that the
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote:
Liz schrieb:
To return to the bridge
the following attributes of the bridge and the road underneath it all
need to be considered
Height of bridge
Height above sea level of the bridge
Max height of the arch of the bridge above the roadway
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
My main point is that when there is a maximum height under a way,
this should be tagged as an attribute of that way, not of the ways
that pass under it.
Here I cannot agree
When I travel over the bridge I am not interested in the maximum height of the
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Stephen Hope wrote:
And I don't know if the TV company counter appealed at a higher
level.
They couldn't. The last one ruling was from the High Court.
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think everyone is thinking of this in one of 2 ways, it's either an
attribute of the bridge, or a restriction of the way under the bridge.
Agreed. And it's clear that both
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
By the way, you can't place a node under the bridge, unless it is
indeed shared by the bridge, as all ways have zero width (right?).
Logically you can as they are on different layers.
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On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote:
No, you're wrong here. Maxheight is an element of the way that goes
under the bridge. It is caused by the bridge, but it is not part of
the bridge.
You're saying that the
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote:
Liz schrieb:
To return to the bridge
the following attributes of the bridge and the road underneath it all
need to be considered
Height of bridge
Height above sea level of the bridge
Max height of the arch of the bridge above the roadway
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
My main point is that when there is a maximum height under a way,
this should be tagged as an attribute of that way, not of the ways
that pass under it.
Here I cannot agree
When I travel over the bridge I am not interested in the maximum height of the
I have been using nodes for more than one thing, and it isn't supported.
So I have been re-using the Post Office node for the town name node, and then
the town names don't render.
Some of these have been tracked down by other mappers, but I'd be happy to
have anyone fix up any more I've done
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
I think everyone is thinking of this in one of 2 ways, it's either an
attribute of the bridge, or a restriction of the way under the bridge.
Agreed. And it's clear that both
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote:
By the way, you can't place a node under the bridge, unless it is
indeed shared by the bridge, as all ways have zero width (right?).
Logically you can as they are on different layers.
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Jack Stringer wrote:
I see a problem wiith this idea. Only because councils change the
times/prices reguarly. Often without notice. You can use many supermarket
car parks for 2 hours but that could change depening on the seasons.
Jack
On Jul 26, 2009 7:42 AM, John Smith
we don't seem to have industrial landuse tags
mine
steelworks
or agricultural/industry landuse
winery
silo
so should we make up a bumper size list of really_useful tags?
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On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
I've updated the site:
http://maps.bigtincan.com/tagwatch/
to include both node and relation tags along with the existing way tags,
but I haven't figured out how to select a relation in JOSM yet.
I see that Ultimo has declared independence
Microsoft
On Sat, 25 Jul 2009, Mark Pulley wrote:
You might also note an error in the rendering of the name
where the track goes over the top of the dam wall - I have a couple
more tweaks to do so I'll fix it then.
The NR in the render of the landuse looks odd too
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
Should I be using a different tag for landuse? (I
used leisure=nature_reserve - 'park' doesn't
sound right - what about 'common'?)
Town commons, at least in most parts of northern/north-western NSW, were
primarily shared areas people could put their
HGV which only goes as far a semi in size, is the max size truck marked on OSM
wiki.
Naturally we have bigger trucks
and they have route restrictions
I've found maps relating to SA here
http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/freight/road/vehicle_configuration/road_train.asp
and to NSW here
On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
--- On Sat, 25/7/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I was really thinking of the trees / forest business
like how dare you have forest which doesn't fit neatly
into these international classifications?
Most commons I know had the trees
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, Tyler wrote:
Liz,
I would classify most eucalyptus spp. as deciduous (though judging by your
genus compositions you're in Australia, and I don't know what the species
do there), and probably classify casuarina spp as coniferous... but that's
a bad classification system
Venn diagram problem.
Our trees are neither coniferous or deciduous, and the alternate is mixed
Liz
living in country covered in mallee, casuarina and occasional eucalypt
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
--- On Tue, 21/7/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
You don't need to download the map tiles (and yes I agree
it is not user friendly), if you install from svn as per
here:
I'll try and build a i386 deb file from this, apart from lack of deb
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
Pretty sure now would be a good time to exit stage left! *ducks and runs*
I think the problem lies with the economists who think that the only state
that is good is growth in GDP.
If we didn't forever strive for increase in GDP we might be much better off
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
database
I'm taking mine off
it didn't get a fair trial but i'm already adjusted to tangogps and navit
apt-get autoremove then removed 26.8MB
which on the little machine is a luxury that cannot be afforded
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
When pgsql needs to be installed and all the rest of the mapnik stuff I'm
starting to get concerned that there won't be enough space on my eeePC to
load the data for gpsdrive. I don't want to buy a 32G sd card just to have
mapping.
and after all that
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
The school is in the middle of no where and there is very little mapped so
it'll be interesting to see how far they get.
'remote' is agreed
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On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote:
I know the others like navit are easy to install etc but can you use a
digital topo map with them? What happens when you run out of osm coverage?
to use a digital topo map with navit you would build it into the garmin format
img file and then use that
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote:
a couple of years back I did communicate with the devs on IRC
once again you'll have to communicate with german speaking people
At least with gpsdrive most of us speak english fairly well.
gpsdrive currently does not have routing, however the next
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Liz wrote:
The version is v2.10pre4
how do i get it to use OSM?
after a lot of fiddling, and breaking the modem software further, i got the
pre7svn installed
i managed to download some osm maps but it isn't 'user friendly'
i've tried downloading maps at varied scales
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, Liz wrote:
what did we think was appropriate here?
wet_weather_use=no
??
trying this
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dry_Weather_Road
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
Australia Tagging Guidelines wiki
I just read the 4wd only section below the dry weather only bit, it states:
4WD only track
Mark these highway=track; surface=unpaved
I would have copied that in off the mailing list from the very early days
it needs
Brent's bike has serious problems
it is underengineered for touring
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Biogenesis_/diary/7104
not enough detail in the photos to see what brand it is
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On Sun, 19 Jul 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
you need
an alternate map
http://maps.navit-project.org/download/
must work with flash, doesn't work in konqueror
there is also Rana
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rana
which I haven't tried
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Gordon Smith wrote:
Hi Russell,
Yes, the track itself has been done. The southern half, Marree to the
Coober Pedy turnoff had been done a little while ago; I finished the
northern half in June. It's the road to the west of Lake Eyre:
will go over there - not a large cost to me but i think it will be a
bonus to them.
I know there is a complex UK administered gps loans system, and I could have
donated to that, but I'd rather adopt-an-area in a more personal way.
Liz
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009, Greg Harper wrote:
Fiji is my adopted country. I traced a fair bit of the roads to hopefully
inspire a local to start naming streets. There is finally at least one
active mapper there armed with a GPS and uploading GPX files and naming
streets, with another guy naming
On Sun, 12 Jul 2009, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote:
I've read through the discussion about the landuse=vinyard tag
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Vineyard) and the
general consensus seems to be that landuse=farm, produce=blah is the best
approach.
Anyway, just opening
On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
I was thinking about refining rivers and marking out local area stuff that
normally doesn't appear on most maps, there virtually would be a lot of
stuff that could be done in this area.
Then you come to your suggestion, technical drawing, and I was
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, John Smith wrote:
There was a posting on the main talk list today about bus routes...
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038119.html
thanks
luckily or not, we don't have nay bus pass our place, but apparently there is
a bus service in town.
it looked
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote:
Not sure on the exact date but about October November 2008.
probably late November - it started after that visit i made to adelaide and
upset a local
;-)
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On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:21:39 +1000
Rick Peterson ausr...@iinet.net.au wrote:
Can someone please direct me to the talk-au archive post where the
discussion commenced on the topic of mini-roundabouts ?
Thanks
Rick
, around a roundabout or
down a motorway link, that problem needs addressing too.
I name roundabouts which have a name of their own, and leave the others
unnamed.
Liz
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Jason Stirk wrote:
I've also run into a few instances quite literally out the back of
Bourke... 150Km along the 300Km Wilcannia-Bourke track to see a fence
warning it's private property and trespassers will be shot at. It's still
the main public road though...
and our
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, James Livingston wrote:
While I'd prefer that you can't tell exactly where I live, I reckon it
would be pretty difficult to stop someone from finding out which
suburb I live in.
I have deliberately looked to see from where editors come
so when i find that someone who
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Franc Carter wrote:
couple of abbreviations that I
don't know how to map
back in to their full names (e.g QYS).
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Franc Carter wrote:
couple of abbreviations that I
don't know how to map
back in to their full names (e.g QYS).
Sorry, got carried away with the send button
qys as an abbreviation as a word on the end of street name in a coastal town?
Quays
a google search found Amity
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009, John Smith wrote:
Pic I took earlier...
where's the sunshine?
just get them to send that wet stuff my way, we will accept it gladly
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On Sat, 20 Jun 2009, John Smith wrote:
--- On Sat, 20/6/09, Cameron osm-mailing-li...@justcameron.com wrote:
I think somewhere on the OSM wiki it
says that there are no official osm tags, just conventions
which are followed. So jump in and create your own tags and
edit the wiki as you see
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009, John Smith wrote:
--- On Sat, 20/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote:
I've got some perl and shell scripts that do this for other
things but not for gpsbabel.
As I said, I haven't been able to work out the format gpsbabel requires the
polygon, and there doesn't
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Liz wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Liz wrote:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/EditGpx
I've just downloaded this but haven't tried it yet
tried on a small gpx file- today's - and happy with this
but its not acceptable to the osm server with the timestamps
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
JOSM and
mercaator(sp?) are more sophisticated eg do proper
Mercator is a projection, how to turn a sphere like object into a flat one
Merkaator is the program the writer was trying to recall.
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Rick Peterson wrote:
Hi Folks,
I’m a newcomer to the OSM project with a couple of questions.
BACKGROUND:
Welcome Rick.
Perhaps if we give the history of the changes you will understand how the
boundaries work.
In the beginning was the void.
On the first day some
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Now does anyone have suggestions on how to basically drive the entire town
the most efficiently with the minimal amount of overlap, or how does one
plan such a feat.
It depends if they are set out in rectangular bocks or wiggles
rectangular blocks -
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Thoughts, hints and tips will be appreciated.
Personally I'd concentrate on doing one or two on the journey up and one or
two on the journey back.
One large and one small?
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On Tue, 16 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
I've been playing around lately on the best way to store street name info
and voice recording notes seems to win hands down because it is
easier/quicker, especially when doing it by yourself. You don't have to
stop or fumble with devices, you just talk
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Does anyone know the exact latitude of the SA/Vic border?
I've only seen rough estimates of 3.6km west of 141 degrees east.
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
I'm just wondering, nothing came up on google when searching, if there is
any example letters floating about petitioning MPs for access to federal
data and making it public domain.
The reason I ask is the electorate, both state and federal, I'm in is
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
I've come to the realisation that every road (and
everything that was placed in reference to the roads) in the
suburb where I live is out by about 8-10m. Much of
Brisbane's road system seems to have been traced off the
Yahoo imagery, apparently
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Obtaining_old_maps
this page has been marked by someone from the phillipines as being out of
date
Three links for NSW Dept of Lands stuff are now broken. Can anyone find better
links and put them in
However, i think that
This article or section contains
600km
to cover 4 different towns, concentrating on town roads and names, then points
of interest.
It is raining :-) cold and bleak and not really bicycle weather this long
weekend
Liz
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, Nick Hocking wrote:
I'll be conducting a one man, mini mapping frenzy, around the Hervey Bay
area, whilst trying to avoid
1) Swine Flu
2) Dengue Fever
3) Getting drowned by the floods
hell, it's getting really hard to take a holiday these days
I've got a new
On Sat, 30 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
It's fairly blank at present in most rural areas I've seen, there is the
odd town mapped out and I've been helping where I can, but in my opinion
it's much more important getting the street/road data before anything else
will really matter.
We started
On Wed, 27 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Thanks for the tips that everyone replied with, will give me something to
swat up on.
I've looked through a few devices on ebay but while they logged a large
number of points, some had a 5 second refresh which is a little too high, 1
second per point
On Mon, 25 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
Wikipedia has 2 distinct entries, a ford is something close to the usual
concrete slab I'm thinking/refering to, the US version of a causeway looks
like a built up piece of land acting like a low bridge, although they do
seem to have a Western
On Mon, 25 May 2009, Mark Pulley wrote:
Wikipedia also has
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_water_crossing - this is what I have
been thinking of as 'causeway'.
Do we need a new setting highway=low_water_crossing ?
ford should do that OK.
We have an interesting language problem in
- if
the creek had water it would be wet??
Liz
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On Wed, 20 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote:
I tried JOSM briefly the other day but the entire background was black and
made it harder to use than potlatch.
All of that is completely configurable - all the colours can be changed and a
heap of other stuff.
Potlatch makes it hard to do some things
On Fri, 22 May 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote:
and no, we don't have mini-roundabouts in australia, they are all
roundabouts.
Agree totally Liz but I did find one that matched the description in the
wiki.
did it have a blue sign with white circulating arrows?
(rhetorical question
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Photographers_face_wider_anti_terror_curbs_news_281398.html
From a UK site, where they are reporting on training civilians to keep a watch
on
'hostile reconnaissance'. This urges people to look out for 'overt/covert
photography' as well as those in
On Fri, 1 May 2009, mattwh...@iinet.net.au wrote:
While this may not change to much in AU for OSM, it's still an interesting
ruling - particuarly the possible future review of the Telstra v Desktop
Marketing decision.
IceTV won their appeal against Channel 9 over the reuse of 9's TV guide.
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Liz wrote:
1433 nodes
split it into 600+ and 700+, still couldn't upload the change.
I wait on the bug report - someone has another problem with relations and
they may be related problems
Merkaartor let me bypass the problem
and split the way
however, now one length has
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009, Darrin Smith wrote:
I'm working on 2 relations like this on KI that sound like they are
having the same kind of issue. ANY edit of any form to the relation
would cause an error - EXCEPT deleting I eventually tried on one of
them. So I've just kept a copy of all the details
On Sun, 26 Apr 2009, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Sat, 25 Apr 2009, Franc Carter wrote:
Hmm, one thing that I forgot to check is the number of nodes in the ways
- I seem to remember that 0.6 was going to introduce a limit on this . .
. .
cheers
The limit is 2000, and the involved way
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, SteveC wrote:
Has there been any discussion on what people here feel 'substantial'
means in the context of the definitions of the ODbL? I've banged
around the wiki looking but might might have missed it. Here's the
first important bit relevant to this in the ODbL:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Liz wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Franc Carter wrote:
I'm currently wrestling with trying to get a handle on how we can tell
whether the ABS data is more geographically
accurate than yahoo or other data (not necessairly whether it is an
accuate reflection
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Matt White wrote:
I've created my first set of routable OSM maps for Garmin devices. For
those of you with such a device, have a go at downloading the IMG files
and see how the routing works.
The routing is fairly new for the mkgmap application, and will probably
improve
collected at the motel calls it Benetook Avenue.
I'm sure that the mapper , who I have identified, will have some evidence,
like a geo-tagged photo, to post a link to, so that they can justify the name
change (NOT)
Please guys, stop copying Google Maps
Especially when you are copying rubbish.
Liz
On Sun, 19 Apr 2009, Darrin Smith wrote:
Know that feeling, I have several days of Easter holiday traces to go
in also. *twiddles*thumbs*
we were just catching up from December in our house, now the days are shorter,
and have stuff waiting for upload
more thumb twiddling
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