On 1/3/2012 5:04 AM, Pieren wrote:
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Nathan Edgars II
If someone does this in my area, I'll revert the deletion as vandalism.
Funny. I also consider adding non-existing stuff as vandalism. I
hope we will never contribute on the same areas...
Live and let live
On 1/3/2012 7:08 AM, Pieren wrote:
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote:
So don't remove legitimate data (which includes
historic features) in the name of reverting vandalism, or you too will
eventually get burned.
Then many, many people will be burned.
On 12/31/2011 1:48 AM, Michal Migurski wrote:
In the bottom-right corner is the wiki Image Of The Week, which is so often the
home of solid gold output from the OSM community, whether it's new renders or
photos of mappers.
I beg to differ. Pulling a few examples:
On 12/26/2011 6:50 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
I've updated the license change view on OSMI with new rules. It will
now
* treat untagged nodes as clean if moved by an agreeing mapper
* treat any tags contributed by a non-agreeing mapper as harmless if
these tags are not present any more in
On 12/26/2011 9:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Dear unknown person using the pseudonym Nathan Edgars II,
Does this mean that the OSMF has decided that these cases will not be
reverted, or do we still have no idea?
I will not cave in to your childish refusal to read osmf-talk by
repeating what
On 12/26/2011 9:21 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 12/27/2011 03:09 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
I will not cave in to your childish refusal to read osmf-talk
Or legal-talk, rather.
I do read legal-talk, and have seen no such decision by the OSMF.
On 12/21/2011 8:01 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Sounds like a policy decision to me - you can either be too cautious or
too careful but probably never do it exactly right.
And we really need to know how the OSMF is treating these common cases
before we start the process of minimizing damage.
On 12/21/2011 5:11 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
Also, if a vehicle with enough passengers is allowed to move into/out of the
HOV lanes at any point, I would not classify the markings as a median, but only
as a lane separator.
The line can only be crossed at certain points, much like a double
On 12/18/2011 8:45 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 12/18/2011 04:34 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Has there been any information as to how the OSMF will handle relations
when deleting or reverting tainted objects?
No.
I'll write something on legal-talk.
I'll reply here because (a) I'm
Has there been any information as to how the OSMF will handle relations
when deleting or reverting tainted objects? It is much easier for a
relation to be tainted than a way; all that needs to be done is the
splitting of a single member to ruin the entire relation. For example,
31 of the
On 12/15/2011 8:21 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:
Please continue any detailed discussion of this topic to legal-talk ...
that's what it's for.
The question is not what's legally true, but what conditions the OSMF
will require an object to satisfy to not be reverted. So it actually
belongs on
The other thing that's needed is a way to mark an object as clean. For
example, if a red mapper added name=Citgo to an existing gas station,
and I verify that it's Citgo (and maybe add other tags such as address),
how do I prevent the OSMF from reverting it?
I recently updated JOSM to the latest tested (though it still has the
sluggishness issues I reported a few months ago) and can no longer
download from the Overpass API. When I try to download
On 12/14/2011 4:13 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
Could you point on the wiki which problems will arise by not changing
at all - or posing a future transition to a next version of the
Creative Commons license?
I've read through many discussions, and the only reasons I've seen for
changing the
I will look at a single suburban roadway: Westwood Boulevard in the
International Drive tourist area south of Orlando.
This started out as a TIGER way:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/11197961/history
80n (orange) and kyrbyboy (red) have made some improvements to
alignment, but have
On 12/14/2011 9:45 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
It has been explained already but I'll repeat it - OSMF/LWG has not yet
decided what they will do with regards to the finer points of complex
object relicensing. This means that none of your questions above has an
answer. And OSMF is not going to
On 12/14/2011 11:56 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
3. The list moderators need to step up and do their jobs. This
nonsense is disruptive and it needs to end. Discussion is fine, but
inflammatory language and lies are not.
Could you have made a more inflammatory post?
(Well, sure, you could have,
On 12/14/2011 3:48 PM, Humphries, Grant wrote:
It was mentioned balrog-kun’s automated edits are exempted from being
reverted. Can anyone expand on that or point me in the direction to find
more information about this? Does anyone have an idea of what percentage
of edits done from that account
What will happen to buildings that were drawn by a CT-agreeing mapper
but with tags copied from a red node?
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On 12/13/2011 11:57 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
What will happen to buildings that were drawn by a CT-agreeing mapper
but with tags copied from a red node?
Presumably nothing will happen, since there is no easy way of
identifying these. So this is an easy loophole - if you see any red
nodes
On 12/13/2011 2:02 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
People are increasingly deleting such content and replacing with new
content, often using the new sources which were not available when the
content was first input (e.g. Bing imagery and OS OpenData) and that's good.
Disagree. It's only good if
On 12/13/2011 2:30 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 12/13/2011 08:02 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Presumably nothing will happen, since there is no easy way of
identifying these. So this is an easy loophole - if you see any red
nodes that represent points of interest, replace them with building
On 12/13/2011 2:57 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 12/13/2011 08:47 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
I have done many edits of this sort over the years. It has been standard
practice for a long time. Any tainting has already happened.
I am not talking about any tainting that has happened
It would be useful to have an idea of how many objects have been edited
by a red user *and then edited by someone else*. These are the biggest
problem in terms of damage.
It's also important to keep in mind that relations are the most
vulnerable of all, and do not show up on this view.
On 12/13/2011 4:03 PM, Graham Jones wrote:
I see there are three potential reasons for someone neither accepting
nor declining the terms:
* They really do not agree with them, but for some reason that I can
not think of they decide not to click the 'decline' button - These
are an
How does the OSMF plan to handle split or combined ways?
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On 12/13/2011 4:25 PM, john whelan wrote:
The intentions don't matter here, its to be able to defend the new
licensing / copyright in court you need to show all the content has come
from people who have accepted the new license.
Which is impossible because of the common practice of copying
On 12/13/2011 4:46 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote:
Even in law exists the distinction between crimes done willingly and
those done unwillingly or without knowledge. You don't get necessarily
out of the case without any harm if you didn't know or didn't want it,
but often you have to do/pay/be
On 12/13/2011 5:03 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
No. The only thing I was talking about was that if you should have the
audacity to publicly proclaim loopholes in the process and that you
intend to use them, I will block your account.
I have already used them many times as part of normal editing,
How about before we start attempting to rescue anything from the OSMF,
we make sure we know what we're doing? What is the proper way to edit an
object that has been modified by a decliner? What is the proper way to
do this to a relation, especially one with many members and many
revisions? How
On 12/13/2011 6:38 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Because we gain nothing from major contributors holding out until the
very last day and then, smilingly, tell us you know what, I've decided
to disagree after all. That's four winter months wasted when they could
have been perfectly well used for
And it's not pretty:
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-81.36373lat=28.52264zoom=10
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On 12/12/2011 7:57 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 13:23 -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
And it's not pretty:
http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-81.36373lat=28.52264zoom=10
OK, I'm confused...what am I looking at?
Everything red or orange has at least one editor who
On 12/12/2011 10:43 PM, Bill Ricker wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com
mailto:nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
remember reading that balrog-kun's automated edits will be exempted,
I wonder if there are other automated edits and imports from public
On 12/12/2011 11:33 PM, Bill Ricker wrote:
This was split from
http://www.openstreetmap.org/__browse/way/8814701/history
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8814701/history by bemasc.
ahh. So colored falsely as red, revert will undue all later changes but
leave the
On 12/7/2011 6:47 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:
There are a lot of road classifications already in the wiki for
example here is the one for the US:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Road_Classification
This has a number of problems:
On 12/7/2011 7:42 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 12/7/2011 6:47 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:
There are a lot of road classifications already in the wiki for
example here is the one for the US:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_Road_Classification
This has a number of problems:
http
On 12/7/2011 7:31 PM, Kate Chapman wrote:
But if the road classification matches to the actual
utility of the road why not use it.
It doesn't in the U.S.
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On 12/7/2011 7:08 PM, Andrew Errington wrote:
I don't know for sure, but I expect that the initial list of road
classifications were derived from UK Ordnance Survey classifications:
Motorway - motorway
A road - primary
B road - secondary
'yellow' road - tertiary
'white' road - unclassified
On 11/29/2011 1:45 PM, Randal Hale wrote:
* We're (OC) also trying to verify if roads need sidewalks for
pedestrian traffic.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I know, it's legal to walk
(against vehicle traffic) on the majority of roads without improved
sidewalks in every
by need you mean wrt routing software. Gotcha.
On 11/29/2011 2:06 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 11/29/2011 1:45 PM, Randal Hale wrote:
* We're (OC) also trying to verify if roads need sidewalks for
pedestrian traffic.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I know, it's legal to
walk
On 11/29/2011 5:46 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
I suspect they mean is it safe to walk in the street
Good luck defining this.
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On 11/28/2011 1:10 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
I am not a tiled map service wizard but I sure thought I could get this done.
What I have: a Shapefile with roads in Utah[1].
What I want: to get a background layer for JOSM / Potlatch that
highlights the named highways (federal, state and local
On 11/25/2011 12:48 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
http://www.newson6.com/story/16113798/clear-lanes-ahead-through-notorious-tulsa-traffic-bottleneck
How does one tag an interchange *name* anyway?
Same way you tag a ceremonial name given to something else. I use the
official_name tag.
On 11/5/2011 10:03 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
Is anyone aware of any renderings that show truck routes? Ideally,
showing hgv=yes/no/designated and hazmat=yes/no/designated
I’ve been surveying them lately. Unfortunately, as the most of the city
truck route lists are not available under an open
On 11/6/2011 12:38 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
John Harveyj...@johnharveyphoto.com wrote:
One of the problems I think we have is road widths. Mapnik currently
renders all highways of the same type the same width - it ignores
lanes
and width:
This is also the case on every
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.908002lon=-78.91749zoom=18layers=M
One example of what not to do :)
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I'd be interested in a way of auto-tagging blocks in a grid like most
newer cities have. Set the zero point and intermediate points and it
interpolates for you.
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On 10/28/2011 6:34 PM, malenki wrote:
Google demands (with several exceptions payment for using map and API:
http://code.google.com/intl/uk-UK/apis/maps/faq.html#tos_pricing
A press release from OSM would be a good idea.
Saying what? That we have stricter policies?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/17161384/history
Alte Eisenbahn is German for old railway, which is a correct
description of the way.
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On 10/23/2011 2:24 PM, Mike N wrote:
On 10/23/2011 2:07 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Alte Eisenbahn is German for old railway, which is a correct
description of the way
I don't have any reference, but locals do seem to use the German
designation as the name:
http://www.fuzzyworld3.com/3um
On 10/23/2011 2:59 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
from Mike's comment, the name appears to likely be correct local usage.
Mike's link is from Wisconsin; the way is in Connecticut.
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On 10/22/2011 5:23 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
Hi,
Mapping bike lanes here in Salt Lake I get confused by the different
types of bike lanes and how to map them. There's regular bike lanes,
which I tag cycleway=lane, but then there's also green shared
lanes[1] and signed shared roadways[2] which
On 10/22/2011 9:13 PM, Richard Welty wrote:
if there's just a black on yellow sign saying share the road then
cyclists
should stay to the right.
Not at all.
http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/on-the-road/sharing-the-road/
I see I have some new enemies, and the old ones are coming back to
slander me.
threatened to remove whole cities from the map, stomping local
knowledge in Oklahoma, reverting a bunch of relation fixup because you
don't like one particular element - what a crock of shit. And Toby, what
the hell
On 10/19/2011 9:31 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
He has a history in Canada of deleting data in the same manner
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/50623496/history
Are you sure you're not talking about yourself?
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On 10/20/2011 10:56 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
From: Nathan Edgars II [mailto:nerou...@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] NE2 doing mass retaggings
On 10/19/2011 9:31 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
He has a history in Canada of deleting data in the same manner
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way
On 10/20/2011 10:57 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote:
I see I have some new enemies, and the old ones are coming back to slander
me.
threatened to remove whole cities from the map, stomping local knowledge
in Oklahoma,
On 10/20/2011 10:40 AM, Toby Murray wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2011-March/005466.html I
might add that trying to revert such a large changeset without even waiting
for a reply is also
On 10/20/2011 12:25 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/20/2011 10:40 AM, Toby Murray wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 10/18/2011 8:44 AM, Brad Neuhauser wrote:
the Census has county boundaries going to the state border with WI/MI, and I'm
assuming they did their homework.
Don't assume anything when it comes to TIGER.
Anyway, Cook County was defined in 1874 to include the water to the
state line:
On 10/15/2011 1:16 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
I noticed in the past few days that user Alexander Roalter has been
converting administrative boundaries in the Midwest to relations
(which I think is good) but in some cases he's combined state and
county boundaries with physical features, especially
On 10/15/2011 1:57 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote:
I too agree that the same Way should be used for waterway=river and
boundary=administrative whenever the boundary is defined by the river.
That Way should also be added to a relation for the boundary. If the
river has changed course, but the
On 10/8/2011 9:49 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
It sounds like the proposed causeway tag would be the best way to mark this
section of road.
What's wrong with embankment=yes?
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I reverted all of his edits after verifying that nothing of value would
be lost. (By the way, it's been two days since I contacted him, and he
has not replied.)
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On 10/5/2011 1:50 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 10/05/2011 11:14 AM, Lambert Carsten wrote:
If Hebrew is the (official) local language
Israel has two official local languages, Hebrew and Arabic. This is a
fact and upheld by Israel's supreme court.
And apparently a third de facto
On 10/5/2011 7:51 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote:
ZIP codes, which in America are not copy righted [sic]
Are you sure about this?
and (at least in MA) widely available.
Are these precise or TIGER's horrible approximations?
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On 10/5/2011 9:15 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote:
In MA they are good in they are precise
How have you tested this?
don't know about the rest of the country but say wht you will about
the census they tend to get the areas right in the sense of getting all
the houses.
In Florida, they omit
On 10/5/2011 10:08 PM, Carl Anderson wrote:
Although there is only 1 edge on the TIGER 2010 edges dataset having
zipl = '32830' or zipr = '32830' (TLID = 94368893)
there are 539 faces in the TIGER 2010 faces dataset having ZCTA5CE10 =
'32830' or ZCTA5CE00 = '32830'
Are these based on roads or
On 10/4/2011 7:00 PM, dimka israeli wrote:
Anxious to have it back, we proposed during the meeting to have two
separate nodes, tagged respectively in Hebrew and Arabic. However, the
other side would agree on nothing less than equal rendering (they are
explicitly interested in rendering only) of
On 10/4/2011 2:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 10/04/2011 03:14 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
Ah, the county line dupe problem. It would be nice if
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5867 were fixed.
Personally I think OSM suffers too much from automated edits already. I
am a big fan
On 10/4/2011 4:21 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
Try selecting both nodes and using m to merge them. drag-select, m.
One mouse gesture, one keypress. Easy.
Holy shit. It would still be nice to be able to do it en masse (given
that the problem was caused in the first place by an import) but this
On 10/4/2011 4:27 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
A lot of times these overlapping ways are on county boundaries and share
nodes with the border ways, making it very difficult to only select the
nodes that belong to the highway=* ways.
I usually use a filter to hide any boundaries. Of course you have to
On 10/4/2011 4:42 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
Not in the case I looked at. Yes, undoing a duplicate import and
dupe-ways is a pain. This is not that. ;-)
The problem comes when there's a road along the county line. This is
especially common in the Midwest.
On 10/4/2011 9:44 PM, Dion Dock wrote:
On 10/4/2011 2:09 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Try selecting both nodes and using m to merge them. drag-select, m.
One mouse gesture, one keypress. Easy.
No! If you have two different items with a duplicate node, for example, a
street and a landuse=,
Would it make more sense to categorize by the tag? For example:
*FIXME:name=yes
*FIXME:maxspeed=verify that the entire road is 55 mph
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On 10/3/2011 1:34 PM, Hillsman, Edward wrote:
a number of new apartment complexes (some, unfortunately, gated
which restricts access, and some have demolished prior buildings and
roads)
I've had luck entering gated communities through the unlocked pedestrian
entrance. In my experience, only
On 10/3/2011 9:06 PM, Kai Krueger wrote:
Hi everyone,
I have just seen on the blog of Geofabrik ( http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=96 )
that the awesome OSM-Inspector routing debug layer is now available for the
US as well.
It can be found at
On 10/1/2011 7:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote:
On 10/1/2011 6:22 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
Isn't this NCN 1?
No. They're pretty close in NH-Maine, but differ in several places (the
ECG uses unpaved trails while USBR 1 sticks with paved roads).
The bike rendering has (mostly) updated, so you
On 10/1/2011 6:22 PM, Paul Johnson wrote:
Isn't this NCN 1?
No. They're pretty close in NH-Maine, but differ in several places (the
ECG uses unpaved trails while USBR 1 sticks with paved roads). The
routings are very different in Virginia and North Carolina (compare the
cycle map rendering
On 9/30/2011 7:51 AM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote:
I'm actually in the process of doing this for MA and was trying to figure out
the correct tagging, I take it in the US we don't use the local regional
national bike route scheme?
We do, but I don't know if I'd say that the ECG fits into it.
On 9/30/2011 7:37 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote:
What if anything can we learn from Wikipedia?
That consensus is very hard to reach :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:State_route_naming_conventions_poll/Account
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On 9/29/2011 11:20 PM, Peter Dobratz wrote:
Has anyone attempted to start mapping the East Coast Greenway as a
cycle route? http://www.greenway.org/
This is a project to create a bicycle route along the east coast from
Florida to Maine. I think the goal is to get everything off-road, but
On 9/28/2011 10:56 AM, Michael Peter wrote:
Is it only usable, when there
is no copyright sign written on the plan?
Almost everything is copyrighted by default. So the question is whether
the information contained within can still be used (as with a road sign
or the sign on the front of a
When I open
http://www.overpass-api.de/api/xapi?*[highway=trunk_link][@meta][bbox=-77,38.9,-76.9,39]
in JOSM I get a bunch of extraneous relations. This does not happen for
highway=trunk, so the problem is with the underscore.
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On 9/22/2011 4:11 PM, Dale Puch wrote:
land use
admin boundaries
These two will generally share nodes (if mapped properly, e.g.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.6015lon=-81.419zoom=16layers=M
rather than TIGER's horrible approximations) and so should be combined.
Most of the others you
On 9/16/2011 9:07 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
The disney employee discussion points out that while
access_permission=customer is a relatively straightforward concept,
access_permission=private conveys only
If you don't have some special agreement, you can't go here.
but doesn't encode the set of
On 9/15/2011 10:19 PM, Anthony wrote:
Also, I couldn't find any such sign going in the other direction.
Even if this were access=destination, it would be a unidirectional
access=destination.
If you go the other direction you have to either pass through the main
gate on World Drive or pass one
On 9/15/2011 2:07 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote:
[snip]
Is there a reason you send messages with font size=2?
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On 9/14/2011 10:50 PM, Bill Ricker wrote:
And the sweep of Victory makes it not a useful shortcut to anywhere.
I assume you mean Vista? Anyway, it could be used as a shortcut, but not
much shorter than CR 535: http://g.co/maps/6uzx9
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On 9/15/2011 8:25 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:
Right, from almost everywhere to almost everywhere, 535 would be better
than Vista. As long as the marked cast-member-only section of World Blvd
is access=private, routing should avoid it.
Is this still marked cast only? I haven't been on World Drive
On 9/15/2011 9:50 AM, Anthony wrote:
The sign does not say you may use the road so long as you need it to
get to your destination (access=destination). That would preclude
cast members as using it as a cut-through alternative to World Drive.
And it would permit its use by solicitors,
On 9/12/2011 10:04 PM, Metcalf, Calvin (DOT) wrote:
- more road colors just because its a state highway tthat could mean something
unpaved or divided limited acces
If it's divided limited access it should be trunk or motorway. If it's
unpaved it should probably be tertiary unless unpaved is
On 9/13/2011 8:34 AM, Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:29 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote:
On 9/12/2011 7:17 PM, Anthony wrote:
The fact that the land is owned by Walt Disney Parks does not preclude
the fact that they have granted a right of way through it.
According to
On 9/13/2011 8:58 AM, Bill Ricker wrote:
The thru-roads across WDW property might or might not be registered as
Public Right of Way against the deeds, but have been open to the public
for up to 40 years.
Not this one. There was a guard booth on Vista Boulevard near the
present location of the
On 9/13/2011 12:47 PM, Toby Murray wrote:
Hmm I think that page on the wiki has changed since I last looked at
it. The county seat bit is probably a good idea. But even then, there
have been a couple of previous discussions about place name renderings
in the US so I think we can still leave it
On 9/11/2011 6:12 PM, Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com wrote:
(As opposed to
On 9/12/2011 5:57 PM, Richard Weait wrote:
A few of us were just asking on irc what a US-style tile theme would
look like?
Many printed US maps emphasize divided highways (often including
undivided multilane highways). Perhaps a thicker line style at low zooms
where lanes=4 or oneway=yes
On 9/11/2011 3:26 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Sun, 2011-09-11 at 02:12 -0500, Toby Murray wrote:
Re: Kansas
Every person riding a bicycle upon a roadway shall be granted all of
the rights and shall be subject to all of the duties applicable to the
driver of a vehicle ...
Interesting...where
On 9/11/2011 4:25 AM, Paul Johnson wrote:
Beaverton, Oregon, in all their wisdom, likes to post roads as DEAD
END or NO OUTLET when it clearly does have an outlet, just not for
motor vehicles.
I'm not sure what this has to do with access tags, since these are
advisory (yellow) signs. Only a
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