Re: [talk-au] Hiking tracks: foot=yes or foot=designated?

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 17:12, Steve Bennett wrote: > But surely "foot=designated" is the correct tag, particularly for > tracks which explicitly ban every other mode of transport. > > However I should point out that "highway=path foot=designated" is > (according to mapnik at least) equivalent to "hig

[talk-au] Hiking tracks: foot=yes or foot=designated?

2010-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi all, The Aus tagging guidelines suggest using "highway=path foot=yes": http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines But surely "foot=designated" is the correct tag, particularly for tracks which explicitly ban every other mode of transport. However I should point out that "

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Luke Woolley wrote: > Mainly because I normally give landuses a -3 layer and for things that > sit just above or directly on the ground I give the next layer up. > Probably doesn't need it, but it will do no harm being there. Ah, I had wondered why people did that

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 16:16, Luke Woolley wrote: > Mainly because I normally give landuses a -3 layer and for things that > sit just above or directly on the ground I give the next layer up. > Probably doesn't need it, but it will do no harm being there. You don't need to do that, mapnik automatica

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Luke Woolley
Mainly because I normally give landuses a -3 layer and for things that sit just above or directly on the ground I give the next layer up. Probably doesn't need it, but it will do no harm being there. On 23/02/2010, at 4:39 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 23 February 2010 15:35, Luke Woolley wrote:

Re: [talk-au] Duplicate node finder

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
There is a hero and villian list, of people removing/adding duplicate nodes since the dup node site went up: http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/dupe_nodes/heroes.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listi

[talk-au] Opening hours

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
For the benefit of those not on the tagging list there has been a solution to my problem of how to tag opening hours for things like "third sunday of the month" and even how to tag school zones. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key%3Aopening_hours&diff=428825&oldid=426434 Third sun

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 15:35, Luke Woolley wrote: > know), access=private and layer=-2. It might make the map look noisy Why did you use a layer tag? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Luke Woolley
I have already tagged the courts with the most appropriate tags. All have been tagged with sport=tennis, leisure=pitch (which according to the wiki is used for all sport playing fields/courts as far as I know), access=private and layer=-2. It might make the map look noisy at the moment but once bui

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > ... I don't think it should render on the > default mapnik. If for no other reason than we want *public* tennis > courts to be visible, and all those private ones just create a lot of > noise. Just add access=private (or access=unknown, if

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Nick Hocking wrote: > "Personally I don't think it's reasonable to map anything on a > residential property" > > What about > > 1) The number on the letter box > 2) A power pole that happens to be present on a private block > 3) The roofline (as in a building o

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
Heh, yeah, I assumed it was something like that. It's ok to have the data in there, I guess, but I don't think it should render on the default mapnik. If for no other reason than we want *public* tennis courts to be visible, and all those private ones just create a lot of noise. Maybe not an urgent

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 12:50, David Murn wrote: > Havent you heard the new technique? These days the PR arm of the > media-terrorists simply have to say 'were planning something at airport > xyz' and the government machine will kick into action and cause chaos at > the airport (or stadium or whateve

Re: [talk-au] Overland Track added

2010-02-22 Thread John Henderson
Steve Bennett wrote: > Garmin Oregon 550. I see that's got a barometric altimeter too. Very good. > Ah. What is "GPS-derived altitude" though, exactly - does it rely on a > model of the earth's surface, or is it effectively computing the > distance from the satellites? Purely from satellites,

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 20:43 +1100, Liz wrote: > > I'm concerned about marking what are actual terrorist targets (not the media > frenzy type terrorists who are at airports) > telephone exchange, communications tower, power lines > things not usually well mapped in commercial offerings but which

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-02-23 at 08:20 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > Personally I don't think it's reasonable to map anything on a > residential property, particularly not anything that can't be seen > from the street. Because, people in the air could be helped by being able to reference pools, power lines

[talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Nick Hocking
"Personally I don't think it's reasonable to map anything on a residential property" What about 1) The number on the letter box 2) A power pole that happens to be present on a private block 3) The roofline (as in a building object) 4) Standing water - as a help for emergency services or refug

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 07:20, Steve Bennett wrote: > Personally I don't think it's reasonable to map anything on a > residential property, particularly not anything that can't be seen > from the street. I'm not sure why lakeboy did all this, but my > preference would be to tag it these private tennis

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Luke Woolley
Well the story is, I just happened to be drawing roads in Portsea one day and I thought it would be a bit of a laugh to show off how the rich holidaymakers spend their time! People say Portsea has a tennis culture, now the map proves it! I am curious to know if Portsea has the highest concerntratio

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: > > Personally I don't think it's reasonable to map anything on a > residential property I wonder if any lawyer/privacy expert/etc. has written on this subject before... ___ Talk-au mailing list Tal

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM, David Murn wrote: > Ive been wondering about the idea of mapping private pools in the same > way as private tennis courts have been marked, but been worried about > some issues, particularly privacy.  With the mapping of tennis courts > taking place, is there any r

Re: [talk-au] Overland Track added

2010-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:18 PM, John Henderson wrote: > I suppose it's more popular than when I first walked it - didn't see > anyone for a couple of days.  A friend did a winter trip around that > time and didn't encounter anyone else at all. Yeah, during peak season, there's something like 35

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 04:23, James Andrewartha wrote: > A Perth street map I have has the path of the Dampier-Bunbury gas > pipeline mapped. Now that's a clear target and isn't even readily > visible in real life, but there doesn't seem to be a problem with it > being mapped. So I don't think it's s

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread James Andrewartha
On 22 February 2010 17:43, Liz wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, David Murn wrote: >> No, what Im say(ing) is, Im unsure if theres a privacy issue, and asking >> for others opinions or if theres any precedents to follow (other than >> the court cases brought against google for invasion of privacy). >>

Re: [talk-au] Pools (Was: tennis court land)

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 22:59, David Murn wrote: > The problem is if someone doesnt like it, its easier to take OSM to > court than google. If they out-fund OSM in the legal stakes and won, > they could set precedent which they could use against larger mapping > groups like google. You are assuming

Re: [talk-au] Pools (Was: tennis court land)

2010-02-22 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 19:57 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 22 February 2010 19:28, David Murn wrote: > > Ive always had an interest in marking these, but also understand the > > privacy issue. > > I'm still having problems seeing how OSM would make any privacy issues > that doesn't already exist

Re: [talk-au] Pools (Was: tennis court land)

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 19:28, David Murn wrote: > Aerial imagery doesnt normally have a street map overlayed, and when it > does, just ask google if theres any privacy issues when it comes to high > detail aerial photos. The only trouble google has gotten into is with street view driving past "no tr

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 19:43, Liz wrote: > I'm concerned about marking what are actual terrorist targets (not the media > frenzy type terrorists who are at airports) > telephone exchange, communications tower, power lines > things not usually well mapped in commercial offerings but which if destroyed

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 19:31, David Murn wrote: > No, what Im say(ing) is, Im unsure if theres a privacy issue, and asking > for others opinions or if theres any precedents to follow (other than > the court cases brought against google for invasion of privacy). I really can't see a privacy issue her

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread Liz
On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, David Murn wrote: > No, what Im say(ing) is, Im unsure if theres a privacy issue, and asking > for others opinions or if theres any precedents to follow (other than > the court cases brought against google for invasion of privacy). > > If I was saying we shouldnt be doing stre

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 19:10 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 22 February 2010 19:07, David Murn wrote: > > A water supply company could be interested to know how many pools are in > > an area to know what areas might have higher demand during filling > > season. But, a pool cleaning business in the

Re: [talk-au] Pools (Was: tennis court land)

2010-02-22 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 16:45 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 22 February 2010 13:28, David Murn wrote: > > Ive been wondering about the idea of mapping private pools in the same > > way as private tennis courts have been marked, but been worried about > > some issues, particularly privacy. > > How a

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 19:07, David Murn wrote: > A water supply company could be interested to know how many pools are in > an area to know what areas might have higher demand during filling > season. But, a pool cleaning business in the future might search on the > map to find areas with potential

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 18:20 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 22 February 2010 17:56, Roy Wallace wrote: > > I'm not sure but being traced and annotated makes it much > > *easier* for people to retrieve information about your private > > property (e.g. through an API call). > > Yes, I can rea

Re: [talk-au] tennis court land

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 17:56, Roy Wallace wrote: > I'm not sure but being traced and annotated makes it much > *easier* for people to retrieve information about your private > property (e.g. through an API call). Yes, I can really see that happening... > You could thus argue that making it