At the time that I stopped, that's right, there was no other aerial imagery.
I just checked again now and Bing actually seems pretty ok... Maybe I'll
start again sometime...but honestly, I'm not really in the mood lately.
Maybe after a steak dinner or two... :P
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 5:11 PM,
It's been pointed out that I'm not replying to hundreds of messages from
John Smith, Anthony and friends.
I don't see them as they're automatically deleted. I find life is better
without having the trolls fill my inbox.
However, if I have missed any reasonable points in there then feel free
On 7/7/2011 9:37 PM, James Andrewartha wrote:
On 8 July 2011 11:26, SteveCst...@asklater.com wrote:
This reads like you disagree with taxation or death. I do too, but there's not
much I can do about it. The vast majority of people are happy with where we are
at and now it's down to people
Good to hear there is aerial now in your area, I hope you will continue
to improve the map.
Personally I've been adding lots of housenumbers lately. I find it weird
that it's not as boring as I think it should be.
Steve
On 7/7/2011 11:13 PM, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote:
At the time that I
On 8 July 2011 16:18, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
It's been pointed out that I'm not replying to hundreds of messages from
John Smith, Anthony and friends.
I don't see them as they're automatically deleted. I find life is better
without having the trolls fill my inbox.
However, if
I have not had very much to say on this but I have been reading the posts
fairly closely.
I would not in any way presume to speak for any other Australians other than
myself, but I object most strenuously to the implication that I have in some
way been perverted by 80n or any other person at
Don't know how I can reply to someone who explicitly declares they don't want
to change their mind or debate.
In amongst the vitriol is perhaps a nugget that's worth responding to, this
idea that somehow everyone on talk-au is 80n's puppet, is of course absurd.
Unless you prove this isn't just
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
It's been pointed out that I'm not replying to hundreds of messages
from John Smith, Anthony and friends.
I don't see them as they're automatically deleted. I find life is
better without having the trolls fill my inbox.
I really don't know how to
On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:14, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
It's been pointed out that I'm not replying to hundreds of messages
from John Smith, Anthony and friends.
I don't see them as they're automatically deleted. I find life is
better without
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
[ rubbish about Australians being led astray by some guy]
It's hard to fix that, however I am resourceful.
You're an immature brat who thinks shouting loudest and longest means
you win the argument. That's not resourcefulness.
It's impossible to carry on
Sam
Underlaying your attacks is the notion that I dismiss people who disagree with
me, or that I can't understand different points of view. I find that strange
given my rational responses to several disagreements on this list and outlaying
where I feel misunderstandings have come from. I have
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
We've gone to insanely long lengths to make that the case, including getting
clarifications from Ordnance Survey, Nearmap and many others. As far as I'm
aware there are no remaining issues as to why you can't click 'accept'.
The solution to the problem
On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:57, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
We've gone to insanely long lengths to make that the case, including getting
clarifications from Ordnance Survey, Nearmap and many others. As far as I'm
aware there are no remaining issues as
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
As it happens however, my view that John smith and others are trolls is
widely held. And unless you have anything to discuss other than you believing
what I write to be bullshit I'm afraid you will go in the same bucket.
I didn't really expect anything
On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:10, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Sam
Underlaying your attacks is the notion that I dismiss people who disagree
with me, or that I can't understand different points of view. I find that
strange given my rational responses to
On Jul 8, 2011, at 3:11, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
As it happens however, my view that John smith and others are trolls is
widely held. And unless you have anything to discuss other than you
believing what I write to be bullshit I'm afraid you
I like Andrew's message below as I am Interested in what others are doing
and why. So below is what effects the licence has had on me and I hope I
might encourage others to share what they will be doing. Hopefully this
might help us all make more informed decisions, knowing what Australians
plan
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
I wouldn't say we chose it. We were told by legal that cc didn't work, so we
spent a lot of time evolving the odbl (originally started by cc folks) and
the CTs. It might look from that side of the planet that it was a hand of god
type decision, but that's
The quiet and languid mailing list of normally laid back Australians
exploded into vitriolic exchanges after a non-Australian hijacked a
thread on the list.
A number of listees found themselves offended by rash statements and
then attempts were made to claim that white was black and black was
So what has caused this earthquake and corresponding tsunami?
I would say a single troll, who it must be admitted has had quite a reaction.
It might be to distract mappers from discussing what they are doing.
I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at
the moment I am
Oops!!! I didnt realise Steve posted this from his own address and copied
talk-au@openstreetmap.org in to the email. so when I replied it appears that
it only went to st...@asklater.com... This corrects that. Wouldn't want to
be accused by someone of having private conversations!!!
Paul
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
No, John smith and friends are a separate issue, they troll many different
discussions.
Who are and friends? I only watch talk-au so if there's trolling going
on elsewhere I haven't seen it. What I have seen is you dismissing others
as being deliberately
Andrew Laughton laughton.and...@gmail.com wrote:
I would say a single troll, who it must be admitted has had quite a reaction.
Are you referring to me or Steve? I assume it's one of us given our
message volume over the past couple of days. Name names! Quit being so
passive-aggressive, poor
Hi,
That would be Steve Coast as the Troll of the day.
CommonMap is the ccBY alternative (were also on the osm-fork mailing
list) and doing just fine, thanks :)
Now back to work on SchemaTroll 2.011
cheers,
Sam
On 7/8/11, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
Andrew Laughton
I was quietly reading this list until I saw my name, so here's my reply
about what I plan to do.
I only map from my traces and therefore the change of license doesn't affect
me (does it?) so my plan is to keep mapping OSM. I'll keep checking
fosm.orgevery now and then but so far I can't reach it.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:24 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
I mean throw away the efforts of all the licensing work we've done because
one guy doesn't like technical detail X or has moral objection Y. That is,
that we have spent many man years on this and there is no way to make
On 7/8/2011 5:04 AM, Sam Couter wrote:
SteveCst...@asklater.com wrote:
No, John smith and friends are a separate issue, they troll many different
discussions.
Who are and friends? I only watch talk-au so if there's trolling going
on elsewhere I haven't seen it. What I have seen is you
On 7/8/2011 4:28 AM, Sam Couter wrote:
Also, your frame of reference is with OSM up and running and having these kinds
of relationships. When I started OSM we had no data at all and nobody wanted to
give us data under any license, let alone cc. So those of us who climbed the
mountain to get
Anthony
The reason we have a hostile relationship is because of all your
spamming and trolling. You were kicked from the legal list, the only
person I'm aware of to have managed that.
I suspect the real reason you want a nice relationship is funding and
other benefits we've worked hard for,
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
Anthony
The reason we have a hostile relationship is because of all your spamming
and trolling.
I'm not FOSM, so that's rather irrelevant, even if it were true.
I also thought that relationship had been mended, as the
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
At this point really the positive gestures need to come from you, for
example helping us switch so we can all (including FOSM) move on.
If the only way you are
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:05:28 -0700
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
If you go look at talk@ you'll find a lot of history from the people
who now inhabit this list. In fact, several of them have either been
banned or moderated.
big snip of trash
I've known them for a lot longer than
On 7/8/2011 2:01 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jul 2011 11:05:28 -0700
Steve Coastst...@asklater.com wrote:
If you go look at talk@ you'll find a lot of history from the people
who now inhabit this list. In fact, several of them have either been
banned or moderated.
big snip of
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at
the moment I am just getting a 500 Internal Server Error message.
Me too. Previous efforts were more successful (no error messages), but
I've never seen
You may have messages filtered, but I indeed have noticed a lot of
missing messages, and often messages that are missing but arrive a few
hours late, after Ive already seen the responses to them. I have no
blocks or filters, that would be stupid since I am actually interested
in following all
On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 00:51 -0700, All Blokes wrote:
I would not in any way presume to speak for any other Australians
other than myself, but I object most strenuously to the implication
that I have in some way been perverted by 80n or any other person at
all.
FWIW, Id like to point out that
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
Well the eternal right thing applies to CC and most other licenses, so I
There's a difference between an irrevocable licence and an irrevocable,
all-encompassing rights grant. CC and most other open licences are the
former, OSM's CTs require the latter.
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes because most of the community I'm
familiar with, which is all of the EU and the US, consider government data a
nice starting point but mappers on the ground as generally much better. Is the
perception in Australia
Hello,
Firstly let me say that I have no alliances with either side of the debate. I
have been trying to sit on the fence throughout the entire process.
Until the recent Nearmap announcement I was unable to legally accept the
change; Now I can.
I agree with those who state that the license
snip A whole lot of angst /snip
I don't often email the list, but I've been kicking around OSM for maybe
four years, and done a bit of mapping here and there, as well as
generating the odd Garmin map for people to use. This email is a bit
rambly, so I apologise in advance.
To be honest, I'm
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