Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Warin
Hummm How about looking at it from a data consumers view point? Who would use boundary level 6 and what for? A resident/occupier/potential purchaser/developer may want to know who is the relevant authority for a particular property ... A new employee many want confirmation of the boundaries of

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 16:28, Warin wrote: :-[ Opps .. line on a map that does not represent what I though it did only one in NSW... on the mainland. Nah, you were right the first time. Lord Howe Island is unincorporated. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Warin
On 21-Dec-16 04:19 PM, Warin wrote: On 21-Dec-16 04:09 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2016-12-21 15:57, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Just want to point out the advice from the wiki: /Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality/ /Things such as local traffic rules should only

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 16:19, Warin wrote: Then how do you then separate out the TWO 'unincorporated areas' in NSW ?? I don't care...provided that you don't use an admin_level 6 boundary. May I suggest admin_level=-6 ? ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Straw men seem to be popular this afternoon. The question is not whether or not you map an unincorporated area but how should you map it? One of your first actions was deletion from what I understand of the changesets, after a brief look. Until now you havent conveyed that message (your concern

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Warin
On 21-Dec-16 04:09 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2016-12-21 15:57, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Just want to point out the advice from the wiki: /Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality/ /Things such as local traffic rules should only be mapped through the objects which

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 15:57, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Just want to point out the advice from the wiki: /Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality/ /Things such as local traffic rules should only be mapped through the objects which represent these rules on the ground, e.g. a

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Just want to point out the advice from the wiki: *Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality* *Things such as local traffic rules should only be mapped through the objects which represent these rules on the ground, e.g. a traffic sign, road surface marking. Other rules

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 15:30, Warin wrote: There is an authority that performs the role of a 'local council' in these areas ... I don't care what it is called. There is in effect a 'local council' there, it is not 'no mans' land', the 'wild west' etc. Nice straw man there... Who said that no council

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 14:53, Warin wrote: On 21-Dec-16 11:38 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2016-12-21 11:01, Warin wrote: So the governance is irrelevant to the issue ... the area is managed by 'something' ..that 'something' should be treated the same way in OSM for the same function. The area is

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Warin
On 21-Dec-16 11:38 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2016-12-21 11:01, Warin wrote: So the governance is irrelevant to the issue ... the area is managed by 'something' ..that 'something' should be treated the same way in OSM for the same function. The area is managed by the State of New South

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 11:01, Warin wrote: So the governance is irrelevant to the issue ... the area is managed by 'something' ..that 'something' should be treated the same way in OSM for the same function. The area is managed by the State of New South Wales and there is already a admin_level 4

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
It's pretty simple: 1. Admin level 6 boundaries are supposed to enclose a "Local Government Authority". 2. In NSW the only form of "Local Government Authority" are councils incorporated under the Local Government Act. 3. The areas covered by these councils are "incorporated areas". 4. The

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Warin
On 21-Dec-16 09:15 AM, cleary wrote: I have been adding administrative boundaries in NSW and SA using the Government data for which OSM has been given explicit permission. I am currently working on the "Pastoral Unincorporated Area" in SA and another mapper commented that it was inappropriate. I

[talk-au] Deletions was Re: Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Warin
On 21-Dec-16 10:45 AM, Nick Hocking wrote: As a side issue: I don't believe that a mapper's work should be deleted by anyone other than the mapper themselves, unless it is agreed on this list that the work was vandalism or copyright violation. I too don't like deleting stuff ... even my own.

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Daniel O'Connor
Its an interesting one - unlike suburbs, LGAs don't really have a physical presence or much you can survey; even though they have a spatial relationship/are often defined by physical features. For being surveyable... maybe you get a 'welcome to foo shire' sign or two. I would say that* if an LGA

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Alex Sims
Speaking of SA only I would define the LGA locations administered by the Outback Communities Authority as Unincorporated as - thats how other hierarchies used by Government, ABS etc define it, and every point in SA is either in an LGA or Unincorporated - Unincorporated means Outback Communities

[talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread cleary
I have been adding administrative boundaries in NSW and SA using the Government data for which OSM has been given explicit permission. I am currently working on the "Pastoral Unincorporated Area" in SA and another mapper commented that it was inappropriate. I responded but my response appears not