Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-08 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Dec 07, 2014 at 07:08:20PM +0100, Marc Gemis wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote: @Ben : The legal definition (see website url) of 'Jaagpad' starts with: Het jaagpad is een private dienstweg of exploitatieweg . That means it's not a

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 08 December 2014 10:58:58 Kurt Roeckx wrote: access=private foot=yes bicycle=yes If we go this way, I'd prefer to stay closer to the signs and have it vehicle=private + bicycle=yes For the paved roads I guess it would then become highway=service, should we add a service=towpath

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-08 Thread Jakka
Kurt Roeckx schreef op 8/12/2014 om 10:58: Every few months I find that someone changes is back to cycleway, but it's always someone else as far as I know. I've been fixing this for years. It's really annoying. I was looking for the write answers Missing of correct info and

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-07 Thread Glenn Plas
I would suggest this tagging scheme because access = private is wrong : access:conditional=yes @ permit_holder bicycle=yes description=Jaagpad highway=track mofa=yes source=survey surface=unpaved tracktype=grade2 traffic_sign=BE:C3,BE:Type-IV vehicle=no

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-07 Thread Jakka
highway=service service=towpath access=private jaagpaden tekst vermeld met nadruk met vergunning acces= permissive nederlandse item keuze Algemene toegang=met vergunning of zou deze service=towpath te niet doen? bicycle=yes foot=yes surface=asphatl/earth/ maxspeed=30 Marc Gemis schreef

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-07 Thread Glenn Plas
No, Met vergunning, than the best choice is what I suggested and it's legit OSM tagging: access:conditional=yes @ permit_holder It covers it all. Simple, elegant and readable. Permissive doesn't cover it. I haven't seen service=towpath being used on a jaagpad yet, but that kind of makes sense

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-07 Thread Sander Deryckere
But vehicle= is more specific than access=. This holds even for tags extended with conditionals (else the bicycles would need a permit). So, since a car is a vehicle, it would have not access at all. 2014-12-07 11:12 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be: No, Met vergunning, than the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-07 Thread Glenn Plas
Well, that was covered as well in my full copy/paste access:conditional=yes @ permit_holder bicycle=yes description=Jaagpad highway=track mofa=yes source=survey surface=unpaved tracktype=grade2 traffic_sign=BE:C3,BE:Type-IV vehicle=no website=http://www.wenz.be/nl/burger/Jaagpaden/ It's a one

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-07 Thread Marc Gemis
What about horses ? I know several places where they come on the Jaagpad, especially where there is no asphalt. I don't know whether they are legally allowed to do so. m On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote: Well, that was covered as well in my full

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-07 Thread Glenn Plas
Ok, thanks. Some valid points. But highway=track tag does allow implicit access I figured. I can't seem to find it in the wiki what is allowed for track. I do read for highway=track what 'can' : Roads for agricultural or forestry uses etc, often rough with unpaved/unsealed surfaces, that can

[OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-06 Thread Jakka
Hi, jachtpaden near the Leie Schelde Albert Kanaalenz... are tagged as cycleway but in serveye there is no sign http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Cycleway http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fietspad And the owner of those ways says: http://www.descheepvaart.be/Rubriek/Recreatie/Jaagpaden.aspx

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Jachtpaden are not cycleway Highway (path along the rivers)

2014-12-06 Thread Marc Gemis
This topic pops up from time to time, see e.g. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-be/2013-July/004376.html . Don't remember the outcome, besides that they are not cycleways and do not have names in general. If I would start completely afresh I would propose: highway=service