Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-29 Thread Lionel Giard
Here is a few bullet point explaining my reasoning to decide if it is a tunnel or not : - I think that most of the exceptions mentioned, are well-known as being a tunnel (like tunnel in Brussels). Thus it is not a problem for these. - If you have nothing on top, and it is a passage going

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
additional things that can be part of the definition: - passages through embankments are (in general) not tunnels. - when a road passes over another one, located in a cutting, does not place the lower one in a tunnel (Antwerp ring road) - when the road goes under a waterway, the road is in a

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
AFAIK the tunnel=building_passage, this is not a tunnel, but using the tunnel tag anyway. I guess the same is true for culvert. I would not try to come up with a definition that is also applicable to those 2. Maybe my rule of thumb could be extended somehow for the metrotunnels, which are clearly

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be
Hi, First: the interpretations given here to 'tunnel' are much more strict than the wiki, which leaves much more room for interpretation. A strict interpretation of tunnel makes the use of tunnel=yes of tunnel=culvert for passages of rivers underneath a road senseless, just as

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread GeDeOn .
d'origine De : joost schouppe Date : 28/05/19 12:28 (GMT+01:00) À : OpenStreetMap Belgium Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel? Hmm, how about this case: https://play.osm.be/historischekaart.html#18/50.84125/4.03590/dhm_hill-osmroads https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=50.8409878896054

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
This is the place: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.2216551,4.0345363,3a,75y,49.39h,77.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjggCIzrpgLhVFtrn6gYCnQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (sorry no Mapillary images yet). Burchtakker (the parallel road) is lowered near the (bicycle) tunnel under the E34/A11. On Tue, May 28, 2019 at

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
I think there is a tunnel under the e34 between Antwerpen en Zelzate. There used to be a level crossing which was removed and instead they created an underground passage for it. M Op di 28 mei 2019 14:46 schreef Lionel Giard : > @joost schouppe To me that's indeed a bridge, > as you see the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread Lionel Giard
@joost schouppe To me that's indeed a bridge, as you see the same structure as on the motorway bridges : a platform supported by pillars A tunnel is generally something that was dig (removing earth/material) and consolidated from the inside (most often with concrete) like a subway tunnel if

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
I doubt one had to dig something for the road to pass under the railway. There is no "earth" between the road and the sky, only stuff that humans created, like concrete, stones and asphalt. So a bridge for me. I apply the rule: stand on the road, look up, which layers of material do you "see"

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread joost schouppe
Hmm, how about this case: https://play.osm.be/historischekaart.html#18/50.84125/4.03590/dhm_hill-osmroads https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=50.8409878896054=4.035847194701205=17=CemcYfldMKwaCCdn0eK2bQ=photo=0.5005982815044207=0.34925403860156434=0 It's a road that was dug under a slightly

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread ghia
> > Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy. > > Message d'origine ---- > De : Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be > Date : 27/05/19 20:57 (GMT+01:00) > À : OpenStreetMap Belgium > Cc : Stijn Rombauts > Objet : [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel? > &

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread Lionel Giard
ise I would think of a viaduct. >>> >>> In that regard only your case #2 is a tunnel. >>> >>> Just my 2 cents... >>> >>> Pierre >>> >>> >>> >>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy. >>> >>

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-28 Thread Tim Couwelier
of a viaduct. >> >> In that regard only your case #2 is a tunnel. >> >> Just my 2 cents... >> >> Pierre >> >> >> >> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy. >> >> Message d'origine ---- >> De : Stijn

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-27 Thread Pieter Vander Vennet
- Message d'origine > De : Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be > Date : 27/05/19 20:57 (GMT+01:00) > À : OpenStreetMap Belgium > Cc : Stijn Rombauts > Objet : [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel? > > Hi, > > 1. This is a bridge: no doubt. > > https://www.google.be/maps

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-27 Thread GeDeOn .
d'origine De : Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be Date : 27/05/19 20:57 (GMT+01:00) À : OpenStreetMap Belgium Cc : Stijn Rombauts Objet : [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel? Hi, 1. This is a bridge: no doubt. https://www.google.be/maps/@50.9628551,5.0810297,3a,75y,328.21h,89.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-27 Thread Yves bxl-forever
Hello, I would consider each situation from #3 to #9 here as a bridge. Here’s why. If there had never been a railway, the road would be where it is now, and it is perfectly flat and aligned with the houses nearby (implicitely level=0 and layer=0 in OSM). On the contrary, the embankment is an

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-27 Thread ghia
I think some passages are called a mole pipe, but that makes it not a tunnel. Don't have tunnel vision: All your examples are railroad bridges. A tunnel has mosttimes also a depth: it lies not under, but beneath something and/or crosses several things. Also, sometimes a traffic sign F8 can

Re: [OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-27 Thread Karel Adams
Hoi Stijn, Het kan zijn dat ik iets mis - het is een zware dag geweest op het werk :( - maar volstaat het niet om ter plekke eens te gaan kijken? Let wel, in het kader van mijn eigen specialisme (vliegvelden in de ruime zin van het woord) ben ik zelf vaak genoeg aan het mappen op plaatsen

[OSM-talk-be] bridge or tunnel?

2019-05-27 Thread Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be
Hi, 1. This is a bridge: no doubt.https://www.google.be/maps/@50.9628551,5.0810297,3a,75y,328.21h,89.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXz43z9vWyUiOpCVTschIUQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=nl 2. This is a tunnel: sure