Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Frederik Ramm wrote: > As in, "A comparative study of the development of the OSM community > in in the standard universe where data has been imported, > and in parallel universe P281/304-II where all other factors are > unchanged but no data has been imported"? I'm sure Muki's working on it.

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

I agree with Andy about increasing the number of mappers is essential. With Cycle map he has increased the interest in the cycling communities. Getting interest and publicity is very difficult. I can see many other communities that we could encourage to start helping us, from NHS to golfers but

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Frederik, I am subspecies from the universe P281/304-II. I am a bit like a wasp, often referred to as a "Yellow (High-Viz) Jacket". I annoy streets, post boxes, garden fences and hedges and anything else I can find that is floating I the ether and root it into OSM. I know nothing of imports except

[Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

Saw a new Onward Travel Poster at Oxford. Nice map. Presumably a similar one at most other railway stations. Lots of detail, including some footpaths that have a very familar shape... Nice attribution. To OS. I'll try emailing one Jason Durk, Head of Passenger Info at NRE... Richard ___

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

> Richard Fairhurst said: > The problem with these fast-moving mailing lists is that I get halfway through a reply to Graham's e-mail, go to the pub.. My emails often have that effect :) That raises the question of why on earth we're still using cliquey semi-private email lists when we could be us

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

Richard Mann wrote: > Saw a new Onward Travel Poster at Oxford. Nice map. Presumably > a similar one at most other railway stations. Lots of detail, > including some footpaths that have a very familar shape... > > Nice attribution. To OS. Yes. This is supposedly a national initiative, but I've o

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

On 10/06/11 10:04, Richard Mann wrote: Saw a new Onward Travel Poster at Oxford. Nice map. Presumably a similar one at most other railway stations. Lots of detail, including some footpaths that have a very familar shape... Nice attribution. To OS. I'll try emailing one Jason Durk, Head of Passe

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Graham Stewart wrote: > So again you are basically arguing that we should avoid > completing the map because having a patchy incomplete map is > what brings in contributors? No, I'm not. I'm arguing that completing the map by survey creates a community who will go on to improve and maintain the

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Sorry in advance - after writing this I've realised I'm possibly heading off on a tangent (I do that). Speaking of the awesomeness of Cycle Map and how that encourages people - I really want an openwalkingtothepubmap, which would basically be a clone of the gorgeous cycle map, but with the colo

[Talk-GB] OSM Analysis: highlighting "missing" roads over those without a name

Peter (et al), I think everyone agrees that the OSM Analysis Summary ( http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/main ) is extremely useful for gauging our efforts and highlighting areas that need work - even if there is clearly some disagreement about how we then use the OS data on the m

Re: [Talk-GB] Customised Maps (was OSM Analysis New Data and bot)

Adam (changed the title of the thread to keep this one separate), The simplest way to do it is to make overlays that are transparent and you can view over another set of tiles. I have done a few before now - there is one visible at http://maps3.org.uk, which highlights historic things over the norm

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

It is being followed up with their suppliers, and "will be corrected"... Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

Same for Mottisfont and Dunbridge - Hampshire though not 100% sure. The possible "giveaway" is a permissive path on OSM but not on OS. TBH though my initial thought was that of flattery :-) Nick -Richard Mann wrote: - To: "talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)" From: Richard Mann Date: 10/06/20

[Talk-GB] Can't log in - is it just me?

This morning my login credentials are being rejected, and I can't log in to www.streetmap.org. And, when trying the "forgot your password" option, I'm told my email address isn't recognized. So, is there a problem, or is it just me? Regards Simon ___

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

Though having re-read your post, the incorrect attribution is really bad. Don't think my local one had that otherwise I'd have probably noticed but will check next time I'm there. Nick -Nick Whitelegg/FT/Solent wrote: - To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org From: Nick Whitelegg/FT/Solent Date:

Re: [Talk-GB] Can't log in - is it just me?

On 10/06/11 10:49, Simon Blake wrote: This morning my login credentials are being rejected, and I can't log in to www.streetmap.org . And, when trying the "forgot your password" option, I'm told my email address isn't recognized. Well firstly that's not our domain ;

Re: [Talk-GB] Customised Maps (was OSM Analysis New Data and bot)

Graham Jones wrote: > setting up mapnik and all its dependencies is quite daunting This week I've seen something that gives near-Mapnik quality rendering with, hopefully, near-trivial installation, configuration and system demands. I think one comment on IRC was "zomg" which succinctly sums it up.

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

Richard wrote: > It is being followed up with their suppliers, and "will be > corrected"... I can imagine the little M stickers being printed now... Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis: highlighting "missing" roads over those without a name

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Graham Stewart wrote: > I think everyone agrees that the OSM Analysis Summary ( > http://www.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/main ) is extremely > useful for gauging our efforts and highlighting areas that need work - > even if there is clearly some disagreement about h

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

> I'm arguing that completing the map by survey creates a community who > will go on to improve and maintain the map. This is no doubt true. But surely having an area that has been *surveyed* to 100% road name completion is just as likely to put off any new contributors as one that was *traced*

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

Just to say that ITO have been working for some time now with a 3rd party to create such onward travel posters for GB railway stations. We provided them with the option to use either OSM or OS data for each location at their discretion purely on merit. Clearly we are disappointed that the wrong att

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis updated with new OS Locator data and a review of progress to date

On 08/06/11 07:58, Peter Miller wrote: > Warwickshire is the biggest gainer/looser with 33 new names; over half > of the districts have got at least one new road and there are now only > 8 places still at 100%. We do have 51 at over 99% and only 32 at > under 50%. There is serious work in Wales, p

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Graham Stewart wrote: This is no doubt true. But surely having an area that has been *surveyed* to 100% road name completion is just as likely to put off any new contributors as one that was *traced* to 100%? (i.e. "not very" in my opinion) I don't think so. Again, the difference is that you're

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis updated with new OS Locator data and a review of progress to date

On 10 June 2011 11:20, Chris Jones wrote: > On 08/06/11 07:58, Peter Miller wrote: >> Warwickshire is the biggest gainer/looser with 33 new names; over half >> of the districts have got at least one new road and there are now only >> 8 places still at 100%. We do  have 51 at over 99% and only 32 a

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis: highlighting "missing" roads over those without a name

> I am pretty sure it already does that. See "Back Crossflats Place" at Yep, so I'd like to see that kind of mismatch (where OS Locator says there is a street called "Back Crossflats Place" and OSM doesn't have any way of any name at that location) presented in a separate list or perhaps in a di

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

Ed Loach wrote: > I can imagine the little M stickers being printed now... For those curious as to what these maps look like, here's one I photographed last week: http://www.systemeD.net/temp/onward_travel_falmouth.jpg (4.6Mb file) Compare and contrast with http://osm.org/go/erU5Lvdkm- . ch

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis: highlighting "missing" roads over those without a name

On 10 June 2011 11:30, Graham Stewart wrote: > >> I am pretty sure it already does that. See "Back Crossflats Place" at > > Yep, so I'd like to see that kind of mismatch (where OS Locator says > there is a street called "Back Crossflats Place" and OSM doesn't have > any way of any name at that loc

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis: highlighting "missing" roads over those without a name

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Graham Stewart wrote: > End users of the map are much more likely to be put off by missing roads > than missing road names. That is something I agree with. And it's also a lot easier to get somebody to add a name, or go through the trouble of adding a whole new complicated

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

> For those curious as to what these maps look like, here's one I photographed > last week: > http://www.systemeD.net/temp/onward_travel_falmouth.jpg > (4.6Mb file) Thanks, I was curious. I was tempted to stroll to the station at lunch to find my local one, but it is raining now :( The rather

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

On 10 June 2011 11:31, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ed Loach wrote: >> I can imagine the little M stickers being printed now... > > For those curious as to what these maps look like, here's one I photographed > last week: >     http://www.systemeD.net/temp/onward_travel_falmouth.jpg > (4.6Mb file) >

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

> Great shame. So - recruit some more mappers. Write better tools to help > the people who show up nearby on your user page, yet who haven't edited > yet. You've got me there. Of the 30 "nearby" people on my user page, 20 have never made any edit. Only 3 have edited in the past 6 months and few

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

In message <1307701901374-6461640.p...@n2.nabble.com> Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ed Loach wrote: >> I can imagine the little M stickers being printed now... > For those curious as to what these maps look like, here's one I photographed > last week: > http://www.systemeD.net/temp/o

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Or as close to it as possible, yes. I don't care what the result is, it's just too fashionable to automatically believe the imports are bad thing. Steve stevecoast.com On Jun 10, 2011, at 7:05, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 06/09/11 18:01, SteveC wrote: >> I know it's fashionable to clai

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

There are tons of things. People drive in the US so pubs are difficult to arrange things around. Mapping in the US is boring because of the big gridded cities. I map much less in the US than the UK. It's not just that there are roads there already, which by the way is a good thing because I have

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

Peter J Stoner wrote: > Thank you for the photo. It is the first of the new posters I > have seen so it has helped me to check the Traveline and > NextBuses references! :) They're good posters, I like them (though the cartography is a bit... utilitarian, shall we say?). > This use of OSM shows

Re: [Talk-GB] Housing Development Names

Kev js1982 writes: >The current tagging is >is_in:Gamston, West Bridgford >place:suburb >name:Knightshayes >landuse:residential I would suggest removing place=suburb but leaving the name tag. Then it gets a reasonably tasteful and low-key rendering in the both the OSM Mapnik tiles and the cycle

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

I'm sure that's still missing a few paths off Nevis, mind. (Gorgeous though) On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Peter J Stoner wrote: >> Thank you for the photo.  It is the first of the new posters I >> have seen so it has helped me to check the Traveline and >> NextBuse

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

On 10 June 2011 12:50, Peter Miller wrote: > On 10 June 2011 11:31, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> Ed Loach wrote: >>> I can imagine the little M stickers being printed now... >> >> For those curious as to what these maps look like, here's one I photographed >> last week: >>     http://www.systemeD.

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Richard Fairhurst writes: >Worcester is nominally "complete"; yet despite the assurances of >people in this thread that "completeness will bring more mappers", >Worcester has just one mapper, Steve, who was active anyway before >OSSV came along. I would not claim that completing one particular t

Re: [Talk-GB] Onward travel posters

In message <1307705780225-6461826.p...@n2.nabble.com> Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Peter J Stoner wrote: >> Thank you for the photo. It is the first of the new posters I >> have seen so it has helped me to check the Traveline and >> NextBuses references! >:) They're good posters, I like

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Richard Fairhurst writes: >>This is no doubt true. >>But surely having an area that has been *surveyed* to 100% road name >>completion is just as likely to put off any new contributors as one that >>was *traced* to 100%? >I don't think so. Again, the difference is that you're reaching 100% >wit

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

On 10/06/2011 13:17, Ed Avis wrote: Richard Fairhurst writes: This is no doubt true. But surely having an area that has been *surveyed* to 100% road name completion is just as likely to put off any new contributors as one that was *traced* to 100%? ... I think we all agree that reaching 100%

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

SomeoneElse writes: >>I think we all agree that reaching 100% completeness with a collection >>of people >>doing diverse surveying methods (and even aerial tracing) is much better than >>reaching 90% completeness by importing. >Grr. "100% road name completion" has become in this thread "100%

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Someone else wrote: > Grr. "100% road name completion" has become in this thread "100% > completeness". Which of course is completely different. Taking just one metric (.osm file size), I extracted the highways from the current Tendring district (road and name complete) .osm extract file I hav

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Ed Avis wrote: > But you are leaving out the third possibility which is an area stuck at > 40% completion, which doesn't have a vibrant community either. Oh, indeed. But if we were to put as much effort into marketing OSM and improving our tools as we do into writing and indeed discussing bots, t

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Hi, SteveC wrote: Or as close to it as possible, yes. I don't care what the result is, it's just too fashionable to automatically believe the imports are bad thing. Funny that you should use the word "fashionable", as if to discount those who say it as merely following a fashion instead of po

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:51, Graham Stewart wrote: > > > Great shame. So - recruit some more mappers. Write better tools to help > > the people who show up nearby on your user page, yet who haven't edited > > yet. > > You've got me there. > Of the 30 "nearby" people on my user page, 20 have nev

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

On 10/06/2011 13:43, Ed Avis wrote: a footpaths maniac might consider the map only 50% complete if footpaths were missing even though everything else were perfect. And a complete nutter who's obsessed with, say, postboxes might say the level of completeness is even lower -- 0% even. That's befor

Re: [Talk-GB] Forum (was OSM Analysis New Data and bot)

On 10/06/2011 10:17, Graham Stewart wrote: > Richard Fairhurst said: > The problem with these fast-moving mailing lists is that I get halfway through a reply to Graham's e-mail, go to the pub.. My emails often have that effect :) That raises the question of why on earth we're still using clique

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Richard Fairhurst writes: >But if we were to put as much effort into marketing OSM and >improving our tools as we do into writing and indeed discussing bots, the >40% areas would be fixed. If that were true, then it would be no contest. Given the choice between spending some effort doing an imp

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Graham Stewart writes: >That raises the question of why on earth we're still using cliquey >semi-private email lists when we could be using nice open public forums with >categories, threaded discussions, formatting and voting - but that is a >discussion for another day. ;) I use Gmane:

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

On 10/06/11 10:17, Graham Stewart wrote: That raises the question of why on earth we're still using cliquey semi-private email lists when we could be using nice open public forums with categories, threaded discussions, formatting and voting - but that is a discussion for another day. ;) How is

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, SteveC wrote: > There are tons of things. People drive in the US so pubs are difficult to > arrange things around. Mapping in the US is boring because of the big gridded > cities. I map much less in the US than the UK. It's not just that there are > roads there

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

>-Original Message- >From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] >Sent: 10 June 2011 3:39 PM >To: SteveC >Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot > >Hi, > >SteveC wrote: >> Or as close to it as possible, yes. I don't care what the result is

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Nice work Matt Cheers Andy >-Original Message- >From: Matt Amos [mailto:zerebub...@gmail.com] >Sent: 10 June 2011 4:20 PM >To: SteveC >Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; Richard Fairhurst >Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot > >On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, SteveC wrote:

Re: [Talk-GB] Forum (was OSM Analysis New Data and bot)

> Jerry Clough said: > Do you mean like this one: [1]http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=5. I was thinking more like the layout in nabble: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OpenStreetMap-f660402.html which I discovered shortly after making that comment and goes quite a way towards a u

Re: [Talk-GB] Forum (was OSM Analysis New Data and bot)

Hi, Graham Stewart wrote: I'm of the opinion that if you want to build a strong community then it helps to gather everyone in the same place. The segmentation is actually desirable; it is correct that the same thing is discussed in several different groups but that's just the same as with pu

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

Ed Avis wrote: > Richard Fairhurst writes: >>But if we were to put as much effort into marketing OSM and >>improving our tools as we do into writing and indeed discussing bots, >>the 40% areas would be fixed. > > If that were true, then it would be no contest. Given the choice between > spending