Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Stuart Reynolds
Fine with me. OSM's tagging versatility is at times it's weakness so standardising can only be a good thing. Stuart Sent from my iPhone On 22 Oct 2014, at 23:06, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Dear all, For all objects tagged with shop=betting and name Betfred, Coral,

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Dan S
Matthijs, Fine with me. That's a good idea, to use known brand names to make sure you only change things that you can be confident about. You might want to add a link on the wiki page, to this email thread. Dan 2014-10-22 23:04 GMT+01:00 Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl: Dear all,

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread SomeoneElse
On 22/10/2014 23:04, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Dear all, For all objects tagged with shop=betting and name Betfred, Coral, Ladbrokes, Paddy Power or William Hill, I am planning to change the tag shop=betting into shop=bookmaker. I'm usually the first to stand up for a diversity of tags in OSM

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread SK53
I have no particular objection to this mechanical edit. I would query whether it is that useful. When I write code for consuming retail data I have no problems at all in adding additional simple rules for assigning shops to particular classes. A basic starting point for such work is looking at

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread SK53
Further to my previous mail. I have added a section about bookmakers on the UK Retail Chain https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Retail_Chains#Bookmakers page which I set up recently (at least in part to make it easier to know what the consensus tagging was for various chains). Here is a

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Dave F.
Would it be worth adding a fixme tag to the unnamed shops that explains '= betting' is discouraged to add a proprietor's name if known? Dave F. On 22/10/2014 23:04, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Dear all, For all objects tagged with shop=betting and name Betfred, Coral, Ladbrokes, Paddy Power or

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 Oct 2014 11:53, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Would it be worth adding a fixme tag to the unnamed shops that explains '= betting' is discouraged to add a proprietor's name if known? I noticed that nobody ever looks at fixme tags, I think adding an OSM Note (through the website or

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 Oct 2014 11:48, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: Further to my previous mail. I have added a section about bookmakers on the UK Retail Chain page which I set up recently (at least in part to make it easier to know what the consensus tagging was for various chains). That's a great page, I

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread SK53
I suspect there are rather too many for notes: although this worked well when I added them to closed Netto stores. Notes are certainly suitable for the peculiar shop=hardware ones. The geojson can be converted into a shp file and read into PL2 or JOSM. Most useful is to use this to generate a

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 23 October 2014 12:19, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: The geojson can be converted into a shp file and read into PL2 or JOSM. Most useful is to use this to generate a task list in JOSM and step through them (I've done this to find postal delivery offices (based on places with lots of

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Marc Gemis
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: I heard from many mappers that they are confused by the different tagging options for shops, so having a page with all shop types of chain stores hopefully also enables more mappers to start mapping shops. I

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Dave F.
On 23/10/2014 12:06, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 Oct 2014 11:53, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com mailto:dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Would it be worth adding a fixme tag to the unnamed shops that explains '= betting' is discouraged to add a proprietor's name if known? I noticed that

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 12:26 +0100, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 October 2014 12:19, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: The geojson can be converted into a shp file and read into PL2 or JOSM. Most useful is to use this to generate a task list in JOSM and step through them (I've done this to

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Philip Barnes
On Thu, 2014-10-23 at 12:57 +0100, Dave F. wrote: On 23/10/2014 12:06, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 23 Oct 2014 11:53, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Would it be worth adding a fixme tag to the unnamed shops that explains '= betting' is discouraged to add a proprietor's name

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread SomeoneElse
On 23/10/2014 12:57, Dave F. wrote: I'm not convinced Notes are cleared up any more than Fixmes They certainly are more visible to me - they're available for a simple overlay on the main map and get announced in IRC channels. In order to clear them up I wrote something* to create a Garmin

Re: [Talk-GB] RFC Mechanical edit: shop=betting to shop=bookmaker for selected names

2014-10-23 Thread Dan S
2014-10-23 11:16 GMT+01:00 SK53 sk53@gmail.com: I have no particular objection to this mechanical edit. I would query whether it is that useful. You make a good point that it's fairly easy for any non-trivial data consumer to merge the two tags in their query. However, I'd say there are

[Talk-GB] UK Retail chains

2014-10-23 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Dear all, I have made a large update to the UK retail chain page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Retail_Chains For all shops with more than 10 occurrences in Great Britain, it now lists the most common way of tagging, as well as alternative tagging options. This list was automatically

[Talk-GB] October Nottingham pub meet up

2014-10-23 Thread SK53
The next Nottingham pub meeting http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nottingham/Pub_Meetup will be on Tuesday 28th October at the Lincolnshire Poacher from 19:30. Potential talking points: - Mapillary : I've added a few sequences around Nottingham - OS Footpath data: ideas as to how SK53