Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

Rob Nickerson wrote: > Thanks for your work on this and for being able to do it so soon after the > January Mappa Mercia meeting. I find that the data your matching algorithm > produces (e.g. the duplicates that you will skip) is a fantastic QA tool > and highlights that there are areas where Open

Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > On 17/01/16 20:42, Ed Loach wrote: >> So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of >> england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers? >> Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE,

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

Hi Harry, This is fantastic; loving it! @Lester: It counts based on the amenity=school tag so your edits without the #tag are included here. Good shout on the user rankings comment. The quarterly projects are a bit of fun designed to inspire a few edits in the spare time, or if you're not sure wh

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

Hi Edward, Thanks for your work on this and for being able to do it so soon after the January Mappa Mercia meeting. I find that the data your matching algorithm produces (e.g. the duplicates that you will skip) is a fantastic QA tool and highlights that there are areas where OpenStreetMap can be i

Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools

On 17/01/16 20:42, Ed Loach wrote: > So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of > england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers? > Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for > example. I've been changing them to match wh

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

On 17/01/16 20:35, Harry Wood wrote: > If you edit 10 schools in a single changeset you score 10 edits. So that's > better but... Does it rely on the #tag on the commit or the amenity tag ... I had not seen the commit #tag for my first couple of days work ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL -

Re: [Talk-GB] Two schools on the same site

On 17/01/16 20:34, Neil McManus wrote: > It seems I am not the only one with this problem. I too have been > contributing to the quarterly project by adding a few more schools in > West Lothian and have come across a problem where two schools share the > same building. They have a few sites where

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

On 17/01/16 17:28, Steve Doerr wrote: > One possible approach is simply to draw each school's boundary so as to > include the shared area (i.e. overlapping). If that's not possible, then > it implies that the shared area really 'belongs' to one of the schools > and the other one merely 'borrows' it

[Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools

So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers? Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for example. I've been leaving existing names in the main (occasionally adding VC or VA) in

[Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

I made a new tracker tool for this school mapping project: http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools So have fun with that! This gives us a user ranking of who's been making most edits to schools, counting by objects rather than by changesets. If you edit 10 schools in a single

[Talk-GB] Two schools on the same site

Hi, It seems I am not the only one with this problem. I too have been contributing to the quarterly project by adding a few more schools in West Lothian and have come across a problem where two schools share the same building. They have a few sites where catholic and non-denominational schoo

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

On 17/01/16 17:06, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> Please remove the School list from this. We are currently adding the >> > edubase references to each of these, and this will replace the need for >> > an additional wikidata tag. Better to just have the one primary reference. > There is no restriction limit

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

On 17/01/16 18:17, Edward Betts wrote: > Wikipedia has an article about a village called Brailes, but OSM has nodes for > two villages, Upper Brailes and Lower Brailes. The matcher solves this problem > by picking the civil parish. Helps if you answer ;) This is actually one of the sites I had fun

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

On 17/01/16 18:17, Edward Betts wrote: > Wikipedia has an article about a village called Brailes, but OSM has nodes for > two villages, Upper Brailes and Lower Brailes. The matcher solves this problem > by picking the civil parish. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact -

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

Also nearby there are what used to be two separate single-sex schools which are now combined as a mixed school. Two sites about a mile apart. You should use the site relation for this. I was doing this for a lower and upper school in Southend, until I realised that the lower school had closed

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative boundaries: polygons or polylines?

Bob, Glad to be of assistance. One tiny word of warning when you add role=outer: please make sure you do it to ALL the ways (without a role) in a relation, because a mix of empty roles and role=outer in the same relation will definitely cause more problems than simply having empty roles! You

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative boundaries: polygons or polylines?

Colin The answer might lie with role=outer. I applied it to Nettlebed in JOSM as a test, uploaded the change and ran a new query in Overpass turbo. Nettlebed appears as a polygon now. It seems I should apply it to all my cases for best practice, as you write, because it does appear other soft

Re: [Talk-GB] [Imports] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I have started some time ago to add wikidata tags manually myself and have > found that there are a few problems to be careful about. Will you be > checking the matches you have found to see if there would be contradictions > between single wikidata statements and curr

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative boundaries: polygons or polylines?

Hi Bob, They all seem to be made up of multiple ways. I noticed that Bix and Assendon has role=outer consistently applied, whereas the others have no explicit role on the ways. This is implicitly equivalent to role=outer but having explicit roles for the members in a relation may be considered "b

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

I've no idea if it does but it sure feels like Northwich Hartford Campus takes the biscuit with respect to shared resource. 6 schools plus the college http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.2475/-2.5302. I have some cleaning up and more work to do on it which I'm leaving until I've done a groun

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

Lester Caine wrote: > If there is not a node for a village in the OSM data, then it needs > adding. While wikipedia may return the same page for the village and the > matching parish, I thought that wikidata should distinguish between a > village record and a parish one? For now Wikidata tends to

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative boundaries: polygons or polylines?

Colin I thank you for your prompt reply. I have been investigating further in the meantime to try to establish what makes a difference. I wondered if it lay with “type=boundary” or its absence but my relations I have checked all have type=boundary. I wonder if you have time to look at South Ox

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

2016-01-17 17:06 GMT+00:00 Andy Mabbett : > On 17 January 2016 at 12:55, Lester Caine wrote: > >> Please remove the School list from this. We are currently adding the >> edubase references to each of these, and this will replace the need for >> an additional wikidata tag. Better to just have the o

Re: [Talk-GB] Administrative boundaries: polygons or polylines?

Hi Bob, I have been doing a lot of work looking after admin boundaries in the UK in the last few years, including adding many thousands of Civil Parish relations. Admin boundaries are represented by relations with type=boundary. Syntactically these are similar to multipolygons, whereby the (one

[Talk-GB] Administrative boundaries: polygons or polylines?

While running an Overpass turbo query recently I noticed a mixture of polygon and polyline admin_level 10, civil parishes in South Oxfordshire within the bounding box, but mostly polylines. Its neighbour, South Buckinghamshire, appears to contain civil parish polygons. I checked other, random

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

On 17/01/2016 13:14, Lester Caine wrote: Situations where a school has a secure play area which is used by Nursary and first school pupils at different times is not unusual One possible approach is simply to draw each school's boundary so as to include the shared area (i.e. overlapping). If t

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

On 17/01/2016 12:55, Lester Caine wrote: On 17/01/16 11:08, Edward Betts wrote: This is the list of Wikidata tags that I actually plan to add: https://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/west_midlands/matches_2016-01-16.txt Please remove the School list from this. We are currently adding the edubase

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

I am working hard (manual labour!) on the OSM coverage of Civil Parishes, but they will never cover 100% of England due to large swathes being unparished. Don't forget to distinguish between Civil and Ecclesiastical parishes - they have been steadily diverging for over 100 years... //colin On 20

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

On 17 January 2016 at 12:55, Lester Caine wrote: > Please remove the School list from this. We are currently adding the > edubase references to each of these, and this will replace the need for > an additional wikidata tag. Better to just have the one primary reference. There is no restriction l

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

On 17/01/16 13:36, Edward Betts wrote: >> And there should be individual nodes for each village so not sure where the >> > relations come from? > The villages matching relations are the civil parishes. The Wikidata item > represents both the village and the civil parish. This happens when the > mat

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

On 17/01/2016 13:46, Colin Spiller wrote: Here in West Yorkshire, I have a newly-rebuilt Beckfoot School, sharing the site and facilities with Hazelbeck Special School. As far as I know, there isn't anything dividing the two. I'd be /very/ surprised if there wasn't a protect barrier around a

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

Here in West Yorkshire, I have a newly-rebuilt Beckfoot School, sharing the site and facilities with Hazelbeck Special School. As far as I know, there isn't anything dividing the two. Robert has these entries for them (thanks Robert - great job!): 139975 BD16 1EE

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

Lester Caine wrote: > On 17/01/16 11:08, Edward Betts wrote: > > This is the list of Wikidata tags that I actually plan to add: > > > > https://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/west_midlands/matches_2016-01-16.txt > > Please remove the School list from this. We are currently adding the > edubase ref

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

On 17/01/16 12:40, Dave F. wrote: > Although I'm uncertain of a perfect solution as both the entrance and > recreation ground appears to be shared in Ed's example, I find there's > usually a defining boundary around schools that are adjacent to each > other. Especially infant schools where they don

Re: [Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

On 17/01/16 11:08, Edward Betts wrote: > This is the list of Wikidata tags that I actually plan to add: > > https://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/west_midlands/matches_2016-01-16.txt Please remove the School list from this. We are currently adding the edubase references to each of these, and this

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

Although I'm uncertain of a perfect solution as both the entrance and recreation ground appears to be shared in Ed's example, I find there's usually a defining boundary around schools that are adjacent to each other. Especially infant schools where they don't want the little ones wandering off.

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

On 17/01/16 09:48, Ed Loach wrote: >> I'd like some advice please on how to tag 2 Schools that use the >> > one site. > Lester replied: >> > What I've done initially is tagged the buildings of each part with the >> > correct name and ref:edubase tag, and not put a tag on the site >> > boundary. Thi

[Talk-GB] Review plan for adding 1, 164 wikidata tags in the West Midlands

I've written software to match geographic objects in OSM with Wikidata items. Members of the England West Midlands community have asked me to add Wikidata tags to OSM in the West Midlands. I have produced a list of objects to modify, there are 1,164 of them in 44 categories. Wikidata identifiers

Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - Multiple Schools on one site

On 17/01/16 00:08, alasd...@dunakin.me.uk wrote: > I'd like some advice please on how to tag 2 Schools that use the > one site. Lester replied: > What I've done initially is tagged the buildings of each part with the > correct name and ref:edubase tag, and not put a tag on the site > boundary. Th