annotations and improved position data.
http://toolserver.org/~timsc/locateservices/greenspaces/ I hope it is
food for thought.
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Please do not start cross-posting about an non talk-gb issue here.
Oops, it was a mistake by me.
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ed your request - live and let live. I
am not asking you to do much - I am just asking for you to lay off, please.
So now I hope we can agree that other people think the poll is news, and
that it is consistent with past news items, are there any other
_constructive_ comments regarding putting the po
The OSMF is currently reviewing its role in OSM. I want to know the view
of ordinary mapping contributors about how decisions should be made in
OSM. Is OSMF a "supporting" body? If so what does "supporting" mean in
this context? Is it a "governing" body? What decisions should be left to
indiv
On 08/06/11 15:58, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
TimSC wrote:
While this this strictly true it is sometimes hard to associate
external records with specific OSM objects. Some importing of reference
and ID numbers makes this easier.
It's only hard because no-one's yet built a
On 08/06/11 08:15, Peter Miller wrote:
My experience is that the LWG never makes definitive statements!
I find that annoying sometimes but, if we are to follow to Spinoza's
example that we should "made a ceaseless effort not to [...] scorn human
actions, but to understand them", LWG have t
On 07/06/11 16:02, TimSC wrote:
It depends on your definition of "import" (obviously). If you include
tracing, I traced 90% of SE London and then Semantic Tourist used that
in walking papers to survey it personally. Would that be an example?
It also fits my vision of "imp
That looks like useful data. It looks to me like Edinburgh are not quite
embracing open data - the terms and conditions for the entire web site
is for "personal and non-commercial" use only. I stumbled on this recently:
http://openlylocal.com/councils/open
This list the councils that "do" op
On 07/06/11 14:37, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
TimSC wrote:
I think you miss my point. The datasets contain more than just their
postal address. If the licenses are compatible, we can mash up the data.
You don't need to put stuff into OSM to make it mashable-uppable. Most
comp
e
only import data either. A hybrid approach - import AND crowd source -
is better. If you want crowd sourced surveying only, I suggest you start
another project.
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Bob,
I spent 5 minutes trying to find Edinburgh council open data but I
didn't find any. The format seems to be a moot point, if they don't
provide permission for use of the documents - or at least they make them
hard to find.
Once a council recognises the need for open data, I would hope t
ntain the data there. Also, I think
the councils might be confused by any license beyond the most simple
(that is just a guess though), so sharing the data back with the source
might be problematic with OSM (with either the old or new license).
LWG attempt to reduce the legal uncertainty of this, by a definitive
statement?
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I have given the site a face lift:
http://toolserver.org/~timsc/locateservices/
Is there anyone interesting in testing a beta on a different data set? I
would supply the code and help to try to get it imported. Basic HTML
would be good but not necessary. They would also need somewhere to host
try of them (on the wiki).
TimSC
On 25/05/11 23:43, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I've also reported the issue here:
http://data.gov.uk/dataset/location_of_pharmacies#comment-5657
On 25 May 2011 23:31, TimSC wrote:
On 25/05/11 23:25, Andy Mabbett wrote:
Presumably you're using the data
metre error - this is not a big deal
for OSM purposes.
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the spreadsheet. I'll have a think!
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on or body performing statutory functions under, or by virtue of,
legislation relating to the NHS."
So it seems the national data set is not open data at all! Anyone have
any experience in this?
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Well,
I adapted my code to spit the data into areas and to handle the whole of
the UK. I noticed that about 90% of the entries claim to be within 1m of
the delivery address. From a few tests, it seems to be true. I can see
the marker in google street view exactly where it should be. We probab
er to patrol so many
pages from abuse, unless I just remove the comment feature...
TimSC
On 25/05/11 14:48, Andy Mabbett wrote:
I'm told, in private e-mail:
You can get all England from
http://data.gov.uk/dataset/location_of_pharmacies
at least -
notation of the
pharmacy data set and allow adding links into the OSM database. This is
the result.
http://toolserver.org/~timsc/locateservices/view.php
On this site you can:
*Geolocate pharmacies on NPE, OS7, StreetView, OSM, given their rough
initial positions from the original data set (I
and to provide some justification (i.e. public
demand) for us requesting the data.
Btw, I found the parish data I was looking for in OS OpenData, so no
need to pester the council for that.
TimSC
[1] http://www.hackney.gov.uk/licensing.htm
On 23/05/11 16:10, Gregory Williams wrote:
I've
Ed,
I suspect that they only have access to a list of all taxable address,
probably under license from the post office. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Tim
On 22/05/11 15:42, Ed Avis wrote:
Clearly the local authority must have a list of all taxable addresses, with
house
number and postcode. I
SM to make visualisations and mash ups easier (machine tags and
data to link to their database rows).
Again, they said they would appreciate any ideas. I talked to Noel Hatch
and Matthew Kerr. Get in touch with them. :)
Regards,
TimSC
[1] http://www.kent.gov.uk/your_council/open_data.asp
airly comprehensive list of public and
permissive access woods for the UK and their operator.)
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y already
have a smaller tree database around the Ashford area. I didn't get into
what license would be appropriate, because that would have opened a can
of worms...
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http://li
::Coordinates::OSTN02 and ported it to python,
if you are interested.
Regards,
TimSC
On 09/05/11 11:44, ael wrote:
I have been encouraging a friend to use OSM. He has just mailed in
puzzlement after trying to find an OS grid reference (presumably
looking at mapnik).
I saw
http://help.openstreetmap.org
On 05/05/11 09:35, Peter Miller wrote:
Just what I was thinking as well.
Would someone (TimSC?) like to contact them. Given that it was from
aerial survey and given that we have access to Bing aerial then all we
need from these people is a geocodet and ideally also a name and their
also notice the Kent Heritage Tree Project has launch events:
Ashford 14th May (I might attend)
Canterbury 14th June
Tonbridge 10th July
http://www2.btcv.org.uk/display/kent_heritage_tree_project
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te licensing/copyright issues!)
I second that motion.
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m OS products. The council also have copyright on the
data. It would be excellent to negotiate with the right parties to get
permission to use it, as it was not included in OS Opendata.
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On 19/04/11 11:45, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 04/19/11 12:32, TimSC wrote:
I still think that the CTs ask
for rights to be granted that are broader than are granted by the
Opendata license. This point is disputed by Richard and others. Here are
the most prolific Opendata users (in terms of
which case this might be a non-issue!
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for LWG to get their analysis of the
Opendata legal situation done ASAP - that might put minds at rest or
allow us to get on with fixing the problem.
Regards,
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[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors
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format.
Except if someone creates a derivative database based on the main OSM
database, and strips out the source tags. Or creates a produced works,
which doesn't carry attribution to OSM but not OS. You also violate the CTs.
Or am I missing something?
This project looks interesting. BTCV are planning to survey 10,000 trees
in Kent using volunteers. I am talking to BTCV about sharing data but
it's early days...
http://www2.btcv.org.uk/display/kent_heritage_tree_project
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their view, we might get Surrey and Kent moving forward...
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Subject:Re: Freedom of Information Request
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:53:41 +0100
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>
Q3) Do any policies exist t
rately with any teams that are custodians of other data
you're interested in. Ask to talk generally about OpenStreetMap and
raise this in the meeting.
Good point there!
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ontacts the community has to make this
happen? Any other data sets worth liberating?
Once we have set a precedent, it should be easier to get other councils
to comply, because of the way the OS exemption process works.
Thoughts?
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next year, as the copyright lapses on another batch of OS data. Steve
Chilton has a complete set of rolled sheets. I have a most sheets too.
Slippy map: http://ooc.openstreetmap.org/?layers=00B00
To use it in editors: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/7th_Series
TimSC
Grant.
Then he would know, wouldn't he! :)
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ny contributors were kind enough to honour my request
and vote on doodle.
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he "n"
sheets are offset north by 5000m. The "e" sheets are offset east by 5000m.
Each tile is 5000m by 5000m, as far as I remember so you can get the
coordinates of the other corners.
Re-reading your question, I guess you really want the inverse of what I
On 30/05/10 08:50, James Hogan wrote:
> It seems to have most trouble where there are bordering lines, such as
> public buildings (york district hospital it really struggled with), or
> long terraces next to roads which it seems to want to rotate quite a
> bit.
Special buildings with dark borders
imported and corrected based on the surrey air
survey.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.2455&lon=-0.59884&zoom=17&layers=0B00FTF
So many options to choose from...
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Ah yes, the recommended tag is good. I didn't notice one had been chosen
(but it is a bit long for my taste). So use
"source=OS_OpenData_StreetView" for verified buildings. And I will
probably change to "source=Auto_OS_OpenData_StreetView" for automatic
tr
which have lower quality images. My approach uses the
original opendata tiles.
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unt could be done
with little effort. An alternative is to estimate it based on the
features and road layouts, but this is would not be very accurate. Or
does anyone have a better idea? Possibly a series of land use mapping
parties for central London?
Regards,
TimSC
PS I have not done anything
this
quicker than doing the whole thing manually?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/60094590
For far this is only a subsection of a tile. More work is required if we
want to stream line things.
Any thoughts? *ducks*
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Hi,
I agree that the surrey air survey will be an amazing resource. But it
would be worth checking what strings are attached to the data by the
licensing. And also we need to consider the implications with our
CC-BY-SA and ODbL situation. I have added a wiki page as a place holder.
We need to
and it can try to be
orthogonal, if possible). The code I have does provide a good
initialisation of the model, so it is hardly wasted effort. If anyone
has any better ideas, you can have a copy of my python code to try things.
Regards,
TimSC
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e University of Surrey campus (although not as rich
in information).
In the medium term, I will import some buildings once I have the quality
I want. I want to minimise manual work in JOSM but I don't rule it out.
I will only be working in the Guildford area - it's my data to gambl
s noisy. Any idea what is
causing that?
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Andy Allan wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 12:46 PM, TimSC wrote:
>
>> If we use only manual surveying, we can only
>> achieve coverage of about 1%. I don't think that is satisfactory. Imports
>> are therefore very much appropriate for buildings.
>>
>
local area.
One question, is this data set going to be maintained by OS in the
future? And don't worry, I won't be doing a mass import without a great
deal of work and discussion.
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Will this data be
officially available in vector form at some point?
We don't seem to have much comment on the legal issues and the
implications of ODbL yet. Do we have a view as to if our attribution is
sufficient?
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think, more useful too. It will
give us something to do if it is cold and raining this winter.
I am holding fire on tracing the centre because it is very dense in
features.
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Thanks for the offers of help. The task is a very "on again, off again"
affair so expect quiet times and busy times! (Depending on availability
of new scans.) The steps are as follows:
1) Load map into gimp or similar. The images are 17000 by 21000 pixels
which can be a strain on computer memo
Hi all,
I have updated the 7th series layer with improved accuracy. It seems as
if the Helmert approximation of the OS grid reference to WGS84 was not
accurate enough; I was getting transform errors of approximately 20m.
Also, to my surprise the next biggest error seems to be surveying
errors.
The post code API at http://ernestmarples.com/ was recently discontinued
due to threat of legal action.
They are calling for support including writing to you MP, petitioning
the PM, etc to get the post code database available for non-profit
organisations.
http://ernestmarples.com/blog/take-ac
Hi all,
This is a reminder that the Dartford mapping party is happening soon
25th/26th July 2009. (Saturday & Sunday).
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Dartford_Mapping_Party
This would go another step further to getting London polished off.
Hopefully see you there...
T
Hi all,
This is a reminder that the Bromley and Sidcup mapping party is
happening this weekend.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bromley_and_Sidcup_Mapping_Party
This would go some way to getting London polished off. Hopefully see you
there...
TimSC
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bromley_and_Sidcup_Mapping_Party
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I also have provisional dates for these events:
Bromley and Sidcup Mapping Party, 6th/7th June
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bromley_and_Sidcup_Mapping_Party
Dartford Mapping Party, 27th/28th June
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Dartford_Mapping_Party
TimSC
. If asking anyone for
scanner access, mention it is "in aid of charity" and things :)
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Tim (TimSC)
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