On 25 April 2013 19:57, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to take take the conversation into another orbit simultaneously, I'd
like to clarify Tom's remarks about natural=wood and landuse=forest being
interchangeable in the UK. I always tag landuse=forest where aerial
imagery
I'd like to respond to Tom's points:
On 26/04/13 10:12, Tom Chance wrote:
I worry a bit about the view put across by Chris Hill, among others,
that we should always assume every tag has been put in place with the
greatest of care and so shouldn't be changed; that little-used tags
are
John Baker wrote:
If the original editor applied the tags on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dmeadow
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%253Dmeadow there is no issue.
There it defines the state of the managed or unmanaged.
And that is the pain the the backside since
Hi,
On 04/24/2013 04:26 PM, John Baker wrote:
AFAIC these were typo edits and getting the whole database more
consistent. I have done dozens of changes to fix typos worldwide over
the past few weeks and it would be crazy to have lengthy discussions on
each one for multiple countries in multiple
the database/map.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Rovastar/edits?page=1
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:20:32 +0200
From: frede...@remote.org
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
Hi,
On 04/24/2013 04:26 PM, John Baker wrote:
AFAIC
the database/map.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Rovastar/edits?page=1
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:20:32 +0200
From: frede...@remote.org
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
Hi,
On 04/24/2013 04:26 PM, John Baker wrote:
AFAIC
responsible when doing this and think it
improves the database/map.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Rovastar/edits?page=1
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:20:32 +0200
From: frede...@remote.org
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
Hi
cannot believe there will be many at all and the benefits of doing these
changes are IMHO largely beneficial to the map.
Cheers,
John
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:19:39 +0100
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
From: t...@acrewoods.net
To: sk53@gmail.com
CC: rovas
On 25/04/2013 16:23, John Baker wrote:
There are always more suitable tags than natural=grass, landuse=grass
being the most obvious
Are you claiming that the land *is used for* grass? That the purpose man
has put that piece of land to is just grass? surface=grass yes,
landcover=grass maybe
On 25 April 2013 16:23, John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com wrote:
To be honest I am struggling to see anything wrong with what I have done.
Let take grass in your example Jerry.
There are always more suitable tags than natural=grass, landuse=grass being
the most obvious there is also
John Baker wrote:
But if there was no existing landuse tag what is the harm?
Without visiting each place and doing an on-site survey, how do you know
what the actual landuse is?
It worries me that these sort of global search-and-replaces are taking
place without any discussion
The best
I think JonathanB is spot on here: if the original landuse tags had been
landuse=forestry, landuse=farming;
landuse=selling_things;landuse=office_drudgery and so on, the widespread
confusion between landuse (usually can be denoted by an abstract noun), and
natural or landcover (which can usually
On 25/04/13 17:00, John Baker wrote:
Wow creating a storm here.
I cannot believe we are have so much discussion about grass. I have
had some before not about this type...
See! Discussion is needed. There are points of view that you don't
understand and didn't find out about because you
message the original editor, always do a
manual survey and you don't know what you are doing - all of which I strongly
disagree with.
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:17:32 +0100
From: o...@raggedred.net
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
John Baker wrote:
The wiki is a consensus of opinion over the years about how to tag things. The
lack of respect for this I find staggering.
It would be nice if there WAS a consensus. There are a number of
'contradictions' and the area of landuse vs natural has been debated many times
and I
] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
John Baker wrote:
The wiki is a consensus of opinion over the years about how to tag things.
The
lack of respect for this I find staggering.
It would be nice if there WAS a consensus. There are a number of
'contradictions' and the area of landuse vs
Hi,
On 25.04.2013 19:07, John Baker wrote:
The wiki is a consensus of opinion over the years about how to tag
things.
It isn't. There have been more than enough cases where after *years* it
was found that somewhere hidden away in a wiki page there was a
statement that was absolutely not
to think I have been responsible when doing this and think it
improves the database/map.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Rovastar/edits?page=1
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:20:32 +0200
From: frede...@remote.org
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse
previously.
Are there any cases that I have changed where I have not?
John
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:33:11 +0200
From: frede...@remote.org
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
Hi,
On 25.04.2013 19:07, John Baker wrote:
The wiki
CC: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
Just to take take the conversation into another orbit simultaneously, I'd like
to clarify Tom's remarks about natural=wood and landuse=forest being
interchangeable in the UK. I always tag landuse=forest
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Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:57:10 +0100
From: bpran...@gmail.com
To: t...@acrewoods.net
CC: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
Just to take take the conversation into another orbit simultaneously, I'd
like to clarify Tom's
On 26/04/2013 00:32, Roy Jamison wrote:
Doesn't happen in a democratic society, which OSM embodies.
Actually, OSM is more akin to an anarchic society - there is no
government to enforce laws, instead we rely on all citizens to
self-police. This requires a much higher level of personal
I notice that there have been a large number of mass edits of tags
associated with either land cover or land use recently. Some may indeed be
useful corrections, but altering all natural=meadow to landuse=meadow
probably interferes with the intentions of the original mapper: meadows can
be created
,
John
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 11:09:34 +0100
From: sk53@gmail.com
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] Mass edits of landuse /natural tags
I notice that there have been a large number of mass edits of tags associated
with either land cover or land use recently. Some may indeed
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