I have now changed this from "driveway" to "service road" with access
for motor vehicles as "destination", i.e. for access to properties only.
I don't think it can be "private" because there are two properties along
there, Noverton Cottage and Noverton Farm.
I have also added the gate at the
We as a UK community, certainly from the countryside mapping point of
view tend to be walkers and cyclists. We see a track, we know its a
track because the tagging language of OSM is after all our native
language.
Take for example
http://trigpoint.myzen.co.uk/photodump/20201212_150029.jpg
This
From: Martin Wynne
Sent: 13 December 2020 14:01
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track
On 13/12/2020 13:45, Nick wrote:
> what do people think of Overlapping ways i.e. one is a road and
> a duplicate is a bridleway? Not elegant and something I
On 13/12/2020 13:45, Nick wrote:
what do people think of Overlapping ways i.e. one is a road and
a duplicate is a bridleway? Not elegant and something I would not
normally suggest but...
Hi Nick,
When I've tried that in the past I've been jumped on for breaking a
fundamental rule of OSM
I will throw something in the pot, apart from using the "Cycle map"
solution what do people think of Overlapping ways i.e. one is a road and
a duplicate is a bridleway? Not elegant and something I would not
normally suggest but...
On 13/12/2020 13:00, Martin Wynne wrote:
As the OP on this,
As the OP on this, all I can say is that in this part of the world,
which includes that farm, that roadway would be called a "farm drive"
(not "driveway") with double gates and a nameboard where it leaves the
public road.
If you referred to the "track leading to the farm" the farmer might
On 13/12/2020 11:30, ael via Talk-GB wrote:
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:44:24AM +, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote:
IMHO, if it leads on to another road, track, etc. it is not a "driveway", but
could be a track, a bridleway, a service road, or something else.
FWIIW, I would very definitely
ifferently on the main OSM
website is that you can use it to QC your use of this tag!
Dudley
From: ael via Talk-GB
Sent: 13 December 2020 11:41
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:11:32PM +, Ma
; seem to recall Noverton Farm as being the site of some particularly
> badly-maintained footpaths.
>
> As an aside this walk is what indirectly got me into OSM. I wanted to
> illustrate the walk on the internet but OS licensing did not permit it,
> which is how I started Free
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:11:32PM +, Martin Wynne wrote:
> On 12/12/2020 17:37, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
>
> What I'm wondering is how the typical recreational country walker would find
> that map, or get it on their mobile phone app in place of the awful Google
> maps? It's a lot of work to
On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 10:44:24AM +, Peter Neale via Talk-GB wrote:
> IMHO, if it leads on to another road, track, etc. it is not a "driveway", but
> could be a track, a bridleway, a service road, or something else.
FWIIW, I would very definitely tag that as a service road. Driveway
seems
>>having to scramble through dense shrub cover and
>>>> attempt to negotiate barbed-wire fences. I seem to
>>>> recall Noverton Farm as being the site of some
>>>> particularly badly-maintained
ving to
>>> scramble through dense shrub cover and attempt to negotiate barbed-wire
>>> fences. I seem to recall Noverton Farm as being the site of some
>>> particularly badly-maintained footpaths.
>>>
>>> As an aside this walk is what indirectly got
Sent:* 12 December 2020 14:30
*To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>
mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>>
*Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track
On 12/12/2020 13:15, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> Ultimately, if "something needs doing", "s
ure that I am not being
attributed to posts I didn't make.
Thanks,
Nick
From: Peter Neale
Sent: 13 December 2020 10:44
To: Nick Whitelegg ; Edward Bainton
Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track
IMHO, if it leads on to an
involved with OSM. I still haven't
illustrated this walk incidentally, but...
Would be interested to find out if the area has improved since..
Nick
From: Martin Wynne
Sent: 12 December 2020 14:30
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track On 12/12/2020 13:15
to negotiate barbed-wire fences. I
>>> seem to recall Noverton Farm as being the site of some particularly
>>> badly-maintained footpaths.
>>>
>>> As an aside this walk is what indirectly got me into OSM. I wanted to
>>> illustrate the walk on the internet bu
maintained footpaths.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As an aside this walk is what indirectly got me into OSM. I wanted
> > to illustrate the walk on the internet but OS licensing did not
> > permit it, which is how I started Freemap and then later got
>
SM. I
>> still haven't illustrated this walk incidentally, but...
>>
>> Would be interested to find out if the area has improved since..
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Martin Wynne
>> *Sent:* 12 December 2020
ted Freemap and then later got involved with OSM. I
> still haven't illustrated this walk incidentally, but...
>
> Would be interested to find out if the area has improved since..
>
> Nick
>
>
> --
> *From:* Martin Wynne
> *Sent:* 12 Decemb
proved since..
Nick
From: Martin Wynne
Sent: 12 December 2020 14:30
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track
On 12/12/2020 13:15, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> Ultimately, if "something needs doing", "someo
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 10:54:54PM +, ael via Talk-GB wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:11:32PM +, Martin Wynne wrote:
> > On 12/12/2020 17:37, Andy Townsend wrote:
> >
> > something about myself, is to map and provide rendering for the area:highway
> > tag:
> >
> >
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 09:11:32PM +, Martin Wynne wrote:
> On 12/12/2020 17:37, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> something about myself, is to map and provide rendering for the area:highway
> tag:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:area:highway
>
> Country walkers often need to include a
On 12/12/2020 21:30, David Woolley wrote:
Your first problem would be establishing a funding model for it; OSM, in
general, is not funded to a level that would support large scale end
user use.
Hi David,
Small-scale end use would be a start. But folks need to find it in the
first
On 12/12/2020 21:11, Martin Wynne wrote:
What I'm wondering is how the typical recreational country walker would
find that map,
Your first problem would be establishing a funding model for it; OSM, in
general, is not funded to a level that would support large scale end
user use.
> or
On 12/12/2020 17:37, Andy Townsend wrote:
That allows maps such as
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=16=52.28208=-2.42987
to display it as a public bridleway (in blue)
Hi Andy,
That's a great map! It seems you have already done what I would be
interested in doing - to
On 12/12/2020 19:47, Nick wrote:
Hi Andy
Yes I understand the tag that has been used (i.e. designation)
although I was suggesting the tag "Bridleway", the question that
Martin posed was that "at zoom level 15, driveways are not shown", so
the work around in this case might be to make a way
Hi Andy
Yes I understand the tag that has been used (i.e. designation) although
I was suggesting the tag "Bridleway", the question that Martin posed was
that "at zoom level 15, driveways are not shown", so the work around in
this case might be to make a way with feature type = Bridleway?
On 12/12/2020 13:59, Nick wrote:
I had to check the Council GIS - so the designation is Bridleway.
Because of the complexity, if this was tagged something like
'Bridleway=Yes' and get that displayed on maps of footpaths, surely
that would solve the problem?
Hi Nick,
Yes that is pretty
On 12/12/2020 14:30, Martin Wynne wrote:
On 12/12/2020 13:15, Andy Townsend wrote:
Ultimately, if "something needs doing", "someone" will need to do it.
Perhaps that someone is you?
Hi Andy,
Yes that someone could be me. I have a server (located in Columbus,
Ohio) on which I am using
On 12/12/2020 13:15, Andy Townsend wrote:
Ultimately, if "something needs doing", "someone" will need to do it.
Perhaps that someone is you?
Hi Andy,
Yes that someone could be me. I have a server (located in Columbus,
Ohio) on which I am using only a fraction of the available memory space
Hi Martin
I had to check the Council GIS - so the designation is Bridleway.
Because of the complexity, if this was tagged something like
'Bridleway=Yes' and get that displayed on maps of footpaths, surely that
would solve the problem?
Nick
On 12/12/2020 13:41, Martin Wynne wrote:
On
On 12/12/2020 13:16, Mark Goodge wrote:
Out in a rural area, nearly everybody would call that length
of road, especially one that links a public highway with private farm
tracks, a track or access road.
Hi Mark,
I'm not sure about that. In this part of the world, a roadway which
links from
For this particular example it is clearly complex as it was shown as a
'permissive' footpath (other non vehicular access was along the
designated bridleway). As this is in England and given that the driveway
seems to have just been changed to 'designated', I assume the change
made to the map
On 12/12/2020 13:03, Nick wrote:
For this particular example it is clearly complex as it was shown as a
'permissive' footpath (other non vehicular access was along the
designated bridleway). As this is in England and given that the driveway
seems to have just been changed to 'designated', I
On 12/12/2020 13:20, Nick wrote:
Would changing this to Tag:highway=bridleway be a starting point?
I think the OP was saying there is a separate bridleway, almost parallel
to the feature in question.
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Would changing this to Tag:highway=bridleway be a starting point?
On 12/12/2020 13:03, Nick wrote:
For this particular example it is clearly complex as it was shown as a
'permissive' footpath (other non vehicular access was along the
designated bridleway). As this is in England and given that
Yes, however the reasoning for this is that sometimes someone has drawn every
single driveway on a street in a city/town.
Rendering this at low zoom levels would clutter the map. By contrast, tracks
are often much more sparsely populated, so they don't clutter the map.
I don't know what the
On 12/12/2020 12:34, Martin Wynne wrote:
A common situation is that a service road/driveway continues as a track
beyond the initial residential destination. This is common on farms.
On the standard map at zoom level 15, driveways are not shown. But
tracks and footpaths are. This seems
On 12/12/2020 12:34, Martin Wynne wrote:
A common situation is that a service road/driveway continues as a
track beyond the initial residential destination. This is common on
farms.
On the standard map at zoom level 15, driveways are not shown. But
tracks and footpaths are. This seems
p.s. here's a screenshot of that. It looks silly:
https://85a.uk/missing_driveway_zoom15.png
Martin.
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