Re: [talk-ph] [SPAM] Re: Philippine multilingual place names (English/native language)

I would like to chime in here. I agree with Eugene - I don't think listing multiple names in the name=* tag is a good practice, maybe except in a few very specific cases where it is hard to say whether a name is actually a common name even in English texts, but I don't think there should be many

Re: [talk-ph] Usability of translating Wikidata world places to Tagalog/Filipino

I agree with Eugene, if you choose specifically to display the map in Tagalog, you should get whatever name for the place that is correct Tagalog. Same way if you specifically choose Chinese, you should see the Chinese names of Filipino places, if available. The question is though, how would ap

Re: [talk-ph] Usability of translating Wikidata world places to Tagalog/Filipino

In my honest opinion, I think most people, Tagalog speaking included, would be confused rather than helped by Alemanya and Estados Unidos. Nobody calls them that! And the C/K and V/B replacement isn't really helpful either. I don't know anyone who would use anything but the original spelling of

Re: [talk-ph] Forest landcover

I'm not an authority on this, but I can't see a reason why not. The current lines are unlikely to be accurate the way you describe them and matches what I've seen elsewhere in the Philippines. Ronny. On 2016-02-02 18:17, David Groom wrote: > Hi > > Firstly let me introduce myself, I'm based in th

Re: [talk-ph] routing bug

That should (theoretically at least) fix it. If an intersection doesn't have a node, it's not actually an intersection. Then it's just two roads crossing one another, presumably (assumed by the various routing software) on different levels. If you fixed the first intersection you had problems with

Re: [talk-ph] NHN 2 Luzon

vigation apps, other custom routes, will be very easy coz we don't have to trace same routes again etc. (like somebody in Davao is mapping transport routes on top of existing roads (by literally drawing another way on top), which is a pain to look at) > -Digital Sat Nav devices'

[talk-ph] NHN 2 Luzon

I noticed Rally's recent update including MacArthur highway in NHN 2 Luzon: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4659407#map=8/15.824/120.361 I assume this was due to some updated guidelines from DPWH or something. I noticed this because I had just meticulously updated the name of every segment o

[talk-ph] tips for mapping roundabouts

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 After doing some routing tests, I found I had been mapping roundabouts in a way that is confusing to routing software. The problem is that when you have a barrier separating the entry and exit lanes of a roundabout, but nothing between an exit lane an

Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels

, as they don't mean anything to people (at this point of time at least), so we'd have to store them in a tag that is not being used by renderers today. Ronny. On 2015-02-19 20:41, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick <mailto:ro...@ager-

Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels

Thanks again, Pierre, First of all, I think I made that roundabout ages ago and forgot to add the junction=roundabout tag. Fixed. That will surely help! I've also fixed unnamed road sections near roundabouts, so I will rest the routing again later when it has been updated. What do the rest of you

Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels

%3B15.1426%2C120.5962#map=15/15.1554/120.5929 > > With OSRM, it does show the ref-R-9 but do not report bridge crossing. With > Mapquest, there is even less info. > > I wonder if OSMAnd on Android or any other road calculation software would > report bridge crossing. > > Pi

Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels

This is a good point Eugene, and in fact the bridge names are very good landmarks, given that there are not many other signs on the roads in the Philippines, especially in rural areas. Another thing to take into consideration is that many bridges gain their name from the river they cross over, so t

Re: [talk-ph] road name changes in Makati?

On 07/07/14 18:20, Jim Morgan wrote: Senator Gil Puyat to Nicolas Buendia Road: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/146300437/history Senator Gil Puyat used to be called Buendia, and in fact everyone knows it as that. I use the old name in taxis so that the driver knows I've been around for a wh

Re: [talk-ph] Governor Pineda (Pampanga) willing to support OSM for mapping other municipalities in the province

On 25/06/14 10:13, maning sambale wrote: Great! Will surely ask your help for Magalang. Yes, by all means do. Also neighbouring municipalities Arayat and Angeles are within easy reach to me. Although I think I need to attend one of those training event myself, just to make sure I teach the bes

Re: [talk-ph] Governor Pineda (Pampanga) willing to support OSM for mapping other municipalities in the province

Wow that's great to hear that they appreciate the efforts, and even will support it, especially when it comes from the jueteng lord/lady, eh.. I mean governor... Kudos on your political manoeuvring, Maning. As this is my area, especially the northern part, I will aim to get more involved. Specif

Re: [talk-ph] Icons on POI's - Proposal

Totally agree, Eugene. Much better with consistent data, with one way to tag a certain thing, than to have different processes adapt to incorrect tags, regardless of how frequent. Besides, anyone calling McDonalds a *restaurant* clearly needs to get out more! :) Ronny. On 25/05/14 04:44, Eugen

Re: [talk-ph] multiple multipolygons for Pampanga River

On 2014-02-19 23:44, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick <mailto:ro...@ager-wick.com>> wrote: Thanks for the clarification, Pierre. Actually, I tagged the relation both with natural=water, water=river and waterway=riverbank as advis

Re: [talk-ph] multiple multipolygons for Pampanga River

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/15.544/121.0012 Pierre -- *De :* Ronny Ager-Wick *À :* osm-ph *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 19 février 2014 1h53 *Objet :* [talk-ph] multiple multipolygons for Pampanga River I've been adding po

[talk-ph] multiple multipolygons for Pampanga River

I've been adding polygons for Pampanga River and some of its contributories, starting near Mt Arayat and working myself northward, joining up with the existing multipolygon - http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2411084. I then worked myself southwards until I found another multipolygon for Pam

Re: [talk-ph] tagging questions

On 2013-10-31 23:55, Ervin Malicdem wrote: /What tag to use for fish ponds./ As fish thrives in water i suggest natural:water ; crop=fish /Poultry farms/ landuse:farmland ; crop:chicken Thanks, that's useful. /Waterway tagging (suggestion) :/ Rivers: if the width of the flowing body of wate

Re: [talk-ph] MILF satellite camp?

lk-ph-ow...@openstreetmap.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of talk-ph digest..." Today's Topics: 1. MILF satellite camp? (maning sambale) 2. Re: MILF satellite camp? (Ronny Ager-Wick)

Re: [talk-ph] MILF satellite camp?

Anyone volunteering to verify? :) On 03/12/12 16:15, maning sambale wrote: Found this in the OSm DB: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/102679650 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-p

Re: [talk-ph] Want more aerial imagery? Why not do it yourself?

ux-pc http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/08/27/a-real-space-oddity-arrives-at-pc-pro/ Ronny Ager-Wick wrote: I love this type of projects! The problem I can imagine with having it on a string is: - the string gets quite heavy when it's a few hundred meters up in the air, not to mention 1 fe

Re: [talk-ph] Want more aerial imagery? Why not do it yourself?

I love this type of projects! The problem I can imagine with having it on a string is: - the string gets quite heavy when it's a few hundred meters up in the air, not to mention 1 few km. - if the string snaps, what then? - the string may be visible on the photos - all the overhead cables! (coul

Re: [talk-ph] motorways leading to nowhere?

Yes, I feel the same. One of the definitions of a motorway is that it "does not cross at level with any road, railway or tramway track, or footpath" (according to wikipedia) so if this road does, then it's definitely not a motorway. Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: I'm inclined to think that this i

Re: [talk-ph] UN-SPIDER is using OSM data

what about between OSM and MapMaker? would be interesting to see how they compare. maning sambale wrote: I compared the road data from NAMRIA and OSM and Google MapMaker: http://www.flickr.com/photos/esambale/sets/72157624161537611/ On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Marloue Pidor wrote: Oo

Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. a Non-Stock Corporation May 28, 2010

Impressive, seal and everything! It's different here - I got my company registration certificate as a PDF file! Congratulations to the new President (of OSM *AND* the country)! Ronny. Andre Marcelo-Tanner wrote: > http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6158778&id=345455082596 > > We are official!

Re: [talk-ph] cost of GPS data loggers

Maning, a lot of the items on ebay.co.uk allow international shipment, without prohibitive cost: http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=gps+data+logger+bluetooth&_sacat=0&_dmpt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_GPSSystems_GPSSystems&_odkw=gps+data+logger+bluetooth I own this one, which works fine on Ubuntu Lin

Re: [talk-ph] License/We Are Changing The License

I'm all for OdbL, where do we vote? maning sambale wrote: > FYI, License/We Are Changing The License > http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetm

Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. is a GO!

Fantastic! Thanks for all the effort, Andre - very much appreciated! This starts a new era for OSM-PH :) Ronny. Andre Marcelo-Tanner wrote: OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc., a nonstock corporation, has been approved for SEC incorporation and will become official next Thursday! Andre _

Re: [talk-ph] road conversion from primary to trunk

I assume routing software will prefer a trunk road over a primary road? The way I've done it, primary roads are the main thoroughfare through an area - the road most locals would choose when going *through*. I've upgraded a few roads to primary due to their importance. You could possible ask t

[talk-ph] [Fwd: RapidFTR project (for UNICEF). Please join us!]

Crossposting this to: Philippine Ruby Users Group (http://groups.google.com/group/ruby-phil) Openstreetmap Philippines (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines) This just came into my inbox from my local London Google OSJam mailing list. Although I don't expect anyone to be

Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers

After a bit of research, strike my previous suggestion. +.5 on amenity=clinic for me. See http://www.mail-archive.com/t...@openstreetmap.org/msg05884.html Statements from the discussion: - Clinic can apply to other medical folks, such as chiropodists and physiotherapists too. - And physical reha

Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers

what about amenity=public_health_clinic ? There are many types of clinics Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: How about amenity=clinic? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:26 PM, eric pareja > wrote: hi ian, maning, tagging health centers as public building or doctor's cli

Re: [talk-ph] advise on tagging barangay health centers

I've been wondering about that myself. I just used amenity=public_building for now, but of course, there's no icon on the map for that. As this is an important place, maybe particularly in the province, it would be great if we could all agree on a tag for it, as well as map icon (or use an exis

Re: [talk-ph] Is this spam? (boracay)

Personally, I don't think so. The hotel is not represented any different from the other hotels on the island. If they had set the name to "Boracay Residences - rooms from P500", then yes, bus as it stands, it seems perfectly fine to me. I've personally added shops I like to the map, both to im

Re: [talk-ph] Announcing: OSM-PH Marikina Mapping Party

That's really nice, Eugene! But we need to do something with those URLs... I doubt many people will stand in front of the poster writing them down. Something like www.openstreetmap.org.ph/marikina would be better, then we can link to other things like those hideous facebook urls from there. Ro

Re: [talk-ph] best practice for mapping landuse=farm

Beautiful! How can others use the satellite images you used for this? Ronny. maning sambale wrote:ch...@blightyarts.comouchris@blightyarts.com First installment: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.0904&lon=120.8415&zoom=12&layers=0B00FTF More in the future, as ianlopez said: "May tiyaga, may

Re: [talk-ph] Navteq/Nokia finally shows their mapping data for the Philippines

Ray wrote: Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. schrieb: I think the best way to detect theft of data is an old and proven one, making certain (privately documented) mistakes on purpose, so you can check if the map in question includes it. As most of you well know, it's not possible to copy

Re: [talk-ph] Navteq/Nokia finally shows their mapping data for the Philippines

I think the best way to detect theft of data is an old and proven one, making certain (privately documented) mistakes on purpose, so you can check if the map in question includes it. As most of you well know, it's not possible to copyright reality, but fiction (erroneous data is fiction) is cop

Re: [talk-ph] MAJOR PROBLEM in San Fernando, Pampanga portion

W -> NE) are open to traffic, but SW -> NE is mostly used by PUV's that want to pick up passengers at Jollibee. Apologies for the delayed response about this. Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote: Something that strikes me as odd here is that it seems impossible to go north on Ma

Re: [talk-ph] MAJOR PROBLEM in San Fernando, Pampanga portion

Something that strikes me as odd here is that it seems impossible to go north on MacArthur through this intersection. I am pretty sure I've gone north there myself on several occasions, but it's a while ago aand I'm back in London now so I can't verify. Can someone local verify this? Also, I'm

Re: [talk-ph] looking for local distributor of GPS data loggers

Guys, I've been using my iBlue 747A+ for a while now and it works generally very well. As a receiver I've had no issues whatsoever. As a logger, it's sometimes a bit tricky, but I can make it work when I rally want to :) Unfortunately our recent trip to the Phils was crippled somewhat by non-fu

Re: [talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux

Brilliant! In my case it's: $ gpsbabel -t -w -i iblue747 -f /dev/rfcomm0 -o gpx -F out.gpx At least I have made connection with the little bugger now! I downloaded a completely empty gpx file, which I found a bit strange, as I did log a couple of routes. Nevertheless, it's a step forward :) More te

Re: [talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux

Jim Morgan wrote: > Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Wednesday, 19 August, 2009 10:16 AM: > >> Yep, TangoGPS is good stuff! I got the stable version from their >> website. Tried it this morning on a short walk. >> > > Taking your laptop for a walk ..

Re: [talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux

I'd love to get Merkaartor (is it just me or is this name meant to resemble MacArthur?) to work, but it keeps refusing to download the OSM maps. Actually, I'll make a separate post for that. When I'm done with this, I'll write a guide for other users that are looking to set up

Re: [talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux

ous Linux software to make use of the thing, including Navit, which is currently compiling. I will let you know when I get it working. Does anybody have any recommendations for tools/programs relevant to OSM to use with Ubuntu? Ronny. Jim Morgan wrote: > Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote

[talk-ph] GPS logger/receiver on Linux

Guys, I found I need to retire my old laptop, so I've ordered an eee PC and I'm looking to get a GPS logger and receiver if I can only find one that doesn't cost a fortune. I've been looking at ebay.co.uk and there are some priced around £50 or below, which is not bad, but it's very difficult to fi

Re: [talk-ph] Draft "MoA" between the OSM-F and any possible localchapter

Sorry I missed this. Yes, I still volunteer, and I'm going to the Phils in 3 weeks anyway, so if it will happen between 3 and 7 weeks from now, perfect! Ronny. Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Ronny volunteered to be one of the incorporators before: > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/

Re: [talk-ph] GPS reservation request

Jim Morgan wrote: > Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Tuesday, 14 July, 2009 06:52 PM: > >> Thanks Jim, that is very useful! Will definitely check out one of those >> converters. >> > > You can probably get them anywhere, but I just found them on that

Re: [talk-ph] GPS reservation request

to make it affective, I think at least 1 or 2 of you "veterans" would be good. Ronny. maning sambale wrote: > Hmmm a mapping party in Pampanga? Anyone? > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo > Ltd. wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> We're pl

Re: [talk-ph] GPS reservation request

if usable packages exit for Ubuntu that can act as a GPS with one of the loggers connected to the USB port? Ronny. Jim Morgan wrote: > Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote, On Sunday, 12 July, 2009 11:23 PM: > >> A GPS logger with car charger would be preferable, unless they have >&g

[talk-ph] GPS reservation request

Hi guys, We're planning a trip to the Phils and thought it would be a good idea to use the opportunity to do some traces at the same time. It'll be mostly around Magalang, Pampanga, but also in the neighboring towns like Angeles, Dau and hopefully a trip to Mt. Pinatubo (into the crater). I hope to

Re: [talk-ph] philippine speed limits

Hehehe, I was quite surprised myself! Usually when they pull me over, the police will invent some laws on the spot or refer to an ancient sign that everyone, including themselves, ignore - if it's even visible. But of course they decided to enforce it right now, while 350 other cars are breaking th

Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs

d mke most sense, but I'm not sure. Ronny. George Tujan wrote: > can we setup a generic tag for POIs? so that when a contributor has > doubt on what tags to use they can just use the generic tag then > either update it or let others update it later > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7

Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs

Very interesting conversation! I often wonder which tag to put on certain POIs and sometimes resort to guessing, which of course is not good. What if we use this discussion as a basis for a wiki page for Pinoy POIs, sort of like a dictionary of amenities, like: MMDA urinals - see toilets Toilets -

Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops

As OSM originated in the UK, they would write "tyre" rather than "tire" so it's hard to say which one to use. I think, to avoid confusion and because it's more accurate shop=vulcanizing is a good tag for a vulcanizing shop :) Ronny. Nacario Neil wrote: > shop=vulcanizing > > or > > shop=tire > > >

Re: [talk-ph] gps traces from a delivery service company

Totally agree, the more tracks the better. On your number 2, do we have time stamps as well for the tracks that are submitted? Is this normally stored in the GPX trances? If we have loads of tracks, that's potentially very useful data! I think when I go back there and I buy a GPS, I might drive aro

Re: [talk-ph] change road type based on road condition

What about downgrading it to a track to reflect its de facto standard? :) Ronny. maning sambale wrote: > Hi, > > A mapper pointed me to this discussion re: removing a road network > because of the bad road condition and is currently under repair > http://www.roadguide.ph/forums/showpost.php?p=5911

[talk-ph] addr:has_apartments / addr:apartment_number_format

Guys, I re-read this page, which I made some edits to a couple of months ago: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Philippine_addressing#Proposed_schema I added the following tags, which based upon my experience will provide very valuable information for later address verifica

Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Community Survey

Andre, I support this move. It is important to have an organization so we can release press releases, lobby government/NGOs, receive donations, etc. I also assume that this organization will own the domain names we have acquired. I also volunteer to be a founding member, if you need more of those.

[talk-ph] rainy season

Is the rainy season already here? Seems awfully wet here: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.995&lon=120.477&zoom=10&layers=00B0FTF I know most of Angeles' streets get flooded at one time or another, but this is a bit extreme :) ___ talk-ph mailing list

Re: [talk-ph] 1st OpenStreetMap Philippines Mapping Party Success!

Rally, This "mobile mapping rig" sounds interesting! Any info about that would be great as I'm looking at making a low cost setup like that in the near future. I've never connected a GPS to a Linux laptop (well, any laptop actually) before so it's good to know about what has already been done to av

Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8

I seriously don't think well get any problems with businesses suing us for not keeping the information updated. The obvious difference to a maps printed on dead trees is that they can just create an account and edit the information themselves if they're not happy with it. Unless they want to be rid

Re: [talk-ph] What level of POIs do we add? (was Click the City)

Eugene, I think what you suggest sound sensible. Could we use this as a rule of thumb: "If it has a door out to street level, then it can be mapped as a POI". This way, a shop or fast foot outlet in a mall can be mapped only if they have a separate entrance. All other shops are *inside* the mall. T

[talk-ph] bocaue / balintawak / toll gates + round abouts

I'm fixing some things on NLEX, but I'm not so familiar in this area (apart form driving past there numerous times). Is this the Bocaue toll barrier? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.80428&lon=120.94194&zoom=16 I'm assuming this is Balintawak toll barrier: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.6

Re: [talk-ph] routing problems in Pampanga area

Finding this route slightly peculiar, I followed McArthur highway and fixed some things that I though was obviously wrong. Most of these are from my memory, with good help from Yahoo's imagery. These are my main edits. If someone local could verify my changes that would be great. - made a new roun

Re: [talk-ph] gpstogo units available

Yeah, I was also wondering which route you would take to achieve that :) maning sambale wrote: > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Marloue Pidor > wrote: > >> Another one will be traveling from Davao to Manila by land next week. >> > Whoa! Totoo ba ito? By land from Davao to Manila? > > >

Re: [talk-ph] request for assistance to import Philippine data from PAFID

Would this be something that in the future could be used as a basis for a 3d model of the OSM map? I mean does it contain topological data enough to create displays like the one displayed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Topographic-Relief-perspective-sample.jpg Or are they simply image file

[talk-ph] Timog/Quezon aves

I was just browsing and I seem to remember that at the end of Timog Ave, where it meets Quezon Ave, the last bit of road is blocked, because you can't go left there as would make a total chaos :) I corrected it, but I was unsure of exactly how to mark it. Could someone verify and also, if you happe

[talk-ph] sample addresses

In preparing for the address entry system, it would be useful to have a lot of different address types, so we know we will be able to handle all of them. If they can be listed like this, it will make complete sense for everyone: (including me :) ) 999 San Nicolas Dos - House Number + Baran

[talk-ph] Proposed Philippine Postal Code System

, Government, Post office, any company or person delivering anything to a person they don't already know, YOU (enter the postal code on your GPS and go straight to the door!) - who will assign the numbers? (we, the community, in an open and democratic way) RFC! Best regar

[talk-ph] export current place names and relation

Hi, I was wondering, to prepare for the postcode and place name database, is it possible to export from OSM a list of the place names we currently have, what they are (city, town/municipality, province, etc.), and where they are (what province a town is in, etc.)?

Re: [talk-ph] Philippine addressing system for OSM

Maning and Rally, I am very happy that you mentioned this problem! I have worked with addressing systems for years. Having made database schemas and software for direct marketing companies, mail order businesses and a world wide location search system, I have considerable expertise in this area. I

Re: [talk-ph] seeing new mappers lately

I, for one, appreciated the message when you sent it to me. I joined this list and added my name in the wiki because of it, and I think it's a nice gesture - and very important for building the community. Maybe you could add a little disclaimer on the bottom, for the "kabalat kapaya" (sensitive) pe

Re: [talk-ph] Magalang disappearing when zooming out

gher zoom levels. > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. > mailto:r...@develo.ltd.uk>> wrote: > > I'm just a bit puzzled, > how come, when Magalang and Arayat appears fine here: > http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.153&lon=

[talk-ph] Magalang disappearing when zooming out

I'm just a bit puzzled, how come, when Magalang and Arayat appears fine here: http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.153&lon=120.678&zoom=11&layers=0B00FTF If you zoom out, both Magalang and Arayat disappears, despite there is more than enough space for the names on the map. However I even tried moving t

Re: [talk-ph] editing some in angeles area

Maning, I've done almost all the major streets of Magalang, which is just near Angeles, and a few bits and bobs in Angeles (such as the expressway exit), Arayat and Mexico. I am new to OSM, so I am learning while doing. Can you direct me to a couple of examples of "unconnected intersections" and te