Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

Ottawa has all its bus stops in and rendered in OMAND and the normal rendering web sites. The city has links to the maps on its web site for some years but all the bus stops are labelled highway=bus_stop and are tagged with the stop numbers so you can text or phone a number to find out when the ne

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

If they need inspiration on how to convert the data to OSM format: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/De_Lijndata If you think it would actually help, I can also stop adding highway=bus_stop on the next few thousand of bus stops I'm adding. But I don't think anybody would real

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

I just have a meeting with a "big" (well for Swiss scale) Public transport company. They want to tag and maintain (!) there lines in OSM. And they will obviously render the data. I was hesitating, but after our discussion here, I came to the conclusion that I will advise them to tag ONLY the new

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

It only takes one great public transport map with routing, and the new scheme will come to life. Who cares about Openstreetmap default map. Who cares about the public transport layer on Openstreetmap which doesn't even have tram lines rendered. We need outside help with this :) Janko 2014-08-12

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

Now that the new way of rendering with Carto instead of Mapnik is finally becoming reality, it becomes clear that highway=bus_stop will never (or at least not during my lifetime) be replaced by public_transport=platform/bus=yes. I started to double tag all the new stops I'm adding and the ones I'm

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

tag-transform is an osmosis plugin. It happens before conversion to the postgres database, so you can use any tags that exist in the wild On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jo wrote: > For a long time, public_transport was not transfered to the DB used for > the rendering of Mapnik. At that time

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

The point would be that it then becomes possible to leave out highway=bus_stop by contributors who want to do that, thus opening the possibility to migrate towards the new scheme. Jo 2013/12/11 Richard Mann > Simply rendering public_transport=platform+bus=yes (if that's correct) as > a bus sto

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

For a long time, public_transport was not transfered to the DB used for the rendering of Mapnik. At that time it didn't make sense to update stylesheets. Jo 2013/12/11 Mike N > On 12/11/2013 11:07 AM, fly wrote: > >> If you keep on adding both schemes simultaneously you will not notice >> the

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

Simply rendering public_transport=platform+bus=yes (if that's correct) as a bus stop is a matter of a few lines of xml in the tag-transform (to insert a highway=bus_stop tag in relevant nodes, which the normal rendering processes can pick up). Though since this is functionally the same as the mappe

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

On 12/11/2013 11:07 AM, fly wrote: If you keep on adding both schemes simultaneously you will not notice the problem and there will be no reason for developers to adjust the software. One of the problems in this situation is the map rendering developers have not taken an interest in the new s

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

I went with the pragmatic solution, after being rebuffed several times. You're not the first one who brings this up. :-) It doesn't seem like there is a willingness to support the new scheme, which leads me to say: ok, then it's not necessary to add the new tags, so I don't. Then the rest of the m

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

On 11 December 2013 16:57, fly wrote: > I do not care about the renderer anymore as I did create tickets/issues > about it a long time ago and I did not get any response. > > For new objects I only use the new scheme (even do not add area=yes to > platforms). > > For existing objects I simply add

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

On 11.12.2013 16:32, Pieren wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:25 PM, nounours77 > >> I really do not understand. > > I will tell it differenty : > why the renderers should support two tags for the same feature if it's > not to deprecate one of them ? > or > why the proposal claims to not replace

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

Thanks for the explanation, Pieren. I understand your view. But it looks colored by „I’ve always been against this proposal“ to me. What’s happening now is what you feared, and why you were against. Maybe you should have been followed. Maybe fearing something might help creating it ... I did n

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:25 PM, nounours77 > I really do not understand. I will tell it differenty : why the renderers should support two tags for the same feature if it's not to deprecate one of them ? or why the proposal claims to not replace or deprecate previous tags and we get complains lat

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

Am 11.12.2013 um 16:12 schrieb Pieren : > > "This proposal does not replace, deprecate or obsolete the already > existing and well known tags“ Everybody agrees on that. The old tags still stay valid. > > Don't expect that renderers have to change since the proposal states > clearly "it's not

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:57 PM, fly wrote: > For new objects I only use the new scheme (even do not add area=yes to > platforms). > > For existing objects I simply add the new scheme. Just to recall here what was in the original PT proposal put to the vote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pr

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

hi fly, thanks for sharing your experience. Being new to OSM I do not understand this story entirely, but it seems to be a long ongoing war between adherents of the old tagging scheme and the new one. I also understand that sometime you can get tired of discussing and arguing about the same th

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

On 09.12.2013 17:09, Pieren wrote: > I find the answers on this thread so pathetic. This mailing list is > all about public transport and we get regularly so many complains in > other channels that the proposal is over complicated, unclear and is > promoting a version which is not supported by the

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

Hi! On 09/12/13 16:33, Jo wrote: Could somebody fix the validator in JOSM? A node with highway=bus_stop should not cause a warning when assigned a platform role in a route relation. I also fail to see why stop and platform roles are needed in stop_area relations. It's obvious which is which. J

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

I find the answers on this thread so pathetic. This mailing list is all about public transport and we get regularly so many complains in other channels that the proposal is over complicated, unclear and is promoting a version which is not supported by the tools like the rendering since years. This

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

There are other "problems" with Andy's transport rendering that he would probably put a greater priority on fixing(which doesn't mean he will do them any time soon) I ended up making my own bus map (in Maperitive) Richard On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jo wrote: > You see Gilles? It's not ab

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

You see Gilles? It's not about to happen anytime soon. (It's not the first time I receive this answer). It would also help if somebody updated the wiki page where the 'new' scheme is explained, to reflect this opinion. Could somebody fix the validator in JOSM? A node with highway=bus_stop should n

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

highway=bus_stop & railway=tram_stop are well-established and do the basic job perfectly well some people decided they wanted a different system the value to the renderers of processing the new system is unclear at best; so they aren't likely to just add the established tags and be done with it

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

Eventually has already taken 2 years and might take another 5. I tag all my bus stops with highway=bus_stop, I'll replace it on all 4 of them with public_transport=platform/bus=yes at some point in the distant future. I've been asking to render it for ages now and I gave up hope. I also don't s

Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

On 12/9/2013 6:52 AM, Gilles Baumgartner wrote: Is it ok to *add* the legacy tag highway =bus_stop to be at the same time compliant with the new tags but still make the renderer show the

[Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?

Hi! I started to work on PT, adding/correcting stop and routes. I tried to apply the new tagging scheme for PT, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport. Now I realize, that none of my work is rendered, not by OSM mapnik, not by the PT-layer. Am I doing something wrong? Can it be that