[Talk-us] Census designated place boundaries: should we care about them?

2010-06-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Usually a CDP is simply an arbitrary area drawn by the Census Bureau for statistical purposes. Does it sound reasonable that these should at least not be treated as ordinary boundaries, if not (carefully) deleted altogether where not based on actual administrative boundaries? _

Re: [Talk-us] Census designated place boundaries: should we care about them?

2010-06-10 Thread Steven Johnson
The CDP functions as a statistical area for Census Bureau purposes. The definition is: "A statistical entity comprising a dense concentration of population that is not within an incorporated place but is locally identified by a name. CDPs are delineated cooperatively with state and local and trib

Re: [Talk-us] Census designated place boundaries: should we care about them?

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Neuhauser
There was a thread that touched on this a while back (http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg03117.html), and I'll repeat what I said then: I don't think you can say "usually" with the Census data. You really need to look at it on a state-by-state basis. While in some states CDP

Re: [Talk-us] Census designated place boundaries: should we care about them?

2010-06-10 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Brad Neuhauser wrote: > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> Usually a CDP is simply an arbitrary area drawn by the Census Bureau >> for statistical purposes. Does it sound reasonable that these should >> at least not be treated as ordinar

[Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Kirk Ireson
I was adding a couple local USPS Post Office drop box locations using Potlatch when I wondered if there was a public list of locations I could upload. I did find that there was a release of 2005 locations that was released under the Freedom of Information Act. There are 20 Excel files ranging fr

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Ian Dees
I would say that at least 1/3 of the post office drop boxes nationwide have been removed or pulled out of service since this data has been released, making an import of the data both inaccurate (due to geocoding) and old. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Kirk Ireson wrote: > > I was adding a coup

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Ian Dees
These sites might also be interesting: http://www.payphone-project.com/mailboxes/ and http://www.mailboxmap.com/ On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > I would say that at least 1/3 of the post office drop boxes nationwide have > been removed or pulled out of service since this data

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Kirk Ireson wrote: > > I was adding a couple local USPS Post Office drop box locations using > Potlatch when I wondered if there was a public list of locations I could > upload.  I did find that there was a release of 2005 locations that was > released under the Fr

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Kirk Ireson
Ian, That payphone-project website is actually where I got the initial information about the downloadable files. Cheers, ~Kirk -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Uploading-all-Post-Office-Drop-Box-locations-in-the-US-tp5164668p5164762.html Sent from the USA mailin

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Eric Christensen
On 06/10/2010 02:50 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Kirk Ireson wrote: >> >> I was adding a couple local USPS Post Office drop box locations using >> Potlatch when I wondered if there was a public list of locations I could >> upload. I did find that there was a release

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Kirk Ireson wrote: > > I was adding a couple local USPS Post Office drop box locations using > Potlatch when I wondered if there was a public list of locations I could > upload.  I did find that there was a release of 2005 locations that was > released under the Fr

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Katie Filbert
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Katie Filbert wrote: > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Kirk Ireson wrote: > >> >> -Is this compatible licensing? >> >> -What kind of attribution is required? >> >> > The USPS is not a government agency, and it puts full copyrights on its > data. Thus it's not pu

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread SteveC
so just do another FOIA request? On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Ian Dees wrote: > I would say that at least 1/3 of the post office drop boxes nationwide have > been removed or pulled out of service since this data has been released, > making an import of the data both inaccurate (due to geocodi

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in

2010-06-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Friends, Hillsman, Edward wrote: > The websites for these companies do not show all of the boxes I have > mapped from direct observation. There's an important message in what Ed writes ;-) It is probably a natural hacker instinct: Map one drop box manually, ok. Map two, accetable. Map three and

Re: [Talk-us] Reply-to field in list messages

2010-06-10 Thread Mike N.
> Please let's not start this discussion here (again probably, I'm not > going to search the archives). This is a religious topic - there's no > "right" answer and discussions rarely result in anything positive. > For reference, please read: A more relevant thread is at http://lists.openstree

Re: [Talk-us] OSM to POI file format?

2010-06-10 Thread Mike N.
> Who created this .POI format? Is the specification available > somewhere? How many devices support this particular format? I now see that it is basically just a .GPX format - http://www.poi-factory.com/node/6202 . I don't yet know where to find the list of acceptable choices for 'Category'

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Neuhauser
geocoder.us does use TIGER lines [1], which should also clarify the limits of the service (as they do in their FAQ) [1] http://geocoder.us/help/faq.shtml On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Joshua Finnie wrote: > As for the software used with http://geocoder.us, I found this was the > license for t

Re: [Talk-us] OSM to POI file format?

2010-06-10 Thread David ``Smith''
Oops, forgot to fix "to" field. again. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Mike N. wrote: >> There are tons of websites whose niche is to get people to map something >> as thoroughly as possible so others can download the files and stick them >> on their satnav units (e.g. http://www.poi-factory.com

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in

2010-06-10 Thread Hillsman, Edward
The age of the data is definitely an issue. The two websites that Ian Dees suggested do not agree for the area where I live--they are not even close to agreeing. Also, there can be serious artifacts of the geocoding process. This shows in the two websites. It appears that both use data geocoded

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in

2010-06-10 Thread Joshua Finnie
As for the comment about copyright, I am not sure if this pertains to geographic data like locations of post offices or mail boxes. From Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government#Exemptions ): Exemptions Works by certain independent agencies, corpor

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in

2010-06-10 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > POIs are > extraordinarily easy to survey, anyone with a decent mobile gadget can > do it. Use it as an opportunity to get people interested! > > (Maybe you can elicit from USPS the *number* of drop boxes in a given > area, so you have an id

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in

2010-06-10 Thread Katie Filbert
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Joshua Finnie wrote: > As for the comment about copyright, I am not sure if this pertains to > geographic data like locations of post offices or mail boxes. From > Wikipedia ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_status_of_work_by_the_U.S._government#Exemption

[Talk-us] OSM to POI file format?

2010-06-10 Thread Mike N.
> There are tons of websites whose niche is to get people to map something > as thoroughly as possible so others can download the files and stick them > on their satnav units (e.g. http://www.poi-factory.com/). Is there already a converter from .OSM to .POI? I'd like to offer free current P

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Mike N.
> geocoder.us does use TIGER lines [1], which should also clarify the > limits of the service (as they do in their FAQ) > > [1] http://geocoder.us/help/faq.shtml That also means that it is located within an accuracy of only the nearest block. ___ T

Re: [Talk-us] Reply-to field in list messages

2010-06-10 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:59 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: > > Why doesn't the talk-us list use the "reply-to" field so that simple > replies go to the list, not just the original poster?  The newbies > list does that.  Every other e-mail list I've ever been on does that. > So why not this one? Plea

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Brad Neuhauser
...if not worse On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Mike N. wrote: >> geocoder.us does use TIGER lines [1], which should also clarify the >> limits of the service (as they do in their FAQ) >> >> [1] http://geocoder.us/help/faq.shtml > >  That also means that it is located within an accuracy of only

Re: [Talk-us] Census designated place boundaries: should we care about them?

2010-06-10 Thread David ``Smith''
Oops, forgot to fix the "to" field... On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Usually a CDP is simply an arbitrary area drawn by the Census Bureau > for statistical purposes. Does it sound reasonable that these should > at least not be treated as ordinary boundaries, if not (c

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread David ``Smith''
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Kirk Ireson wrote: > released under the Freedom of Information Act.  There are 20 Excel files > ranging from 14,000 to 65,000 lines in length each and it looks like they do > have all the locations.  I thought it would be a good project for me to > extract/clean up

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Joshua Finnie
As for the software used with http://geocoder.us, I found this was the license for the PERL module: COPYRIGHT AND LICENSE > Copyright (C) 2004 by Schuyler Erle and Jo Walsh > This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it > under the same terms as Perl itself, either P

Re: [Talk-us] Reply-to field in list messages

2010-06-10 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 16:59 -0400, David ``Smith'' wrote: > Why doesn't the talk-us list use the "reply-to" field so that simple > replies go to the list, not just the original poster? The newbies > list does that. Every other e-mail list I've ever been on does that. > So why not this one? It's

[Talk-us] Reply-to field in list messages

2010-06-10 Thread David ``Smith''
Why doesn't the talk-us list use the "reply-to" field so that simple replies go to the list, not just the original poster? The newbies list does that. Every other e-mail list I've ever been on does that. So why not this one? I know I can hit "reply-all" instead of "reply" but that still requires

Re: [Talk-us] Uploading all Post Office Drop Box locations in the US

2010-06-10 Thread Dale Puch
http://www.usps.com/foia/ Under the owned/leased properties data: *"The information contained in the report is provided by the United States Postal Service under the Freedom of information Act and should not be redistributed or resold."* Not sure if they can hold people to that or they just want to