Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/02/2015 06:15 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: I understand keeping a feature in OSM if there is a remnant of the railroad, but there are areas where everything has been replatted, regraded and redeveloped, yet there is still a razed feature in OSM (for one small example, see

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: The problem of OSM editors being confused by a strange line that cuts through houses in the editor perhaps. Which is perhaps 0.1% of the (largely rural) abandoned railroads mapped in OSM, so largely immaterial to the discussion. And if you're confused by that 0.1%, heaven

Re: [Talk-us] New North America coverage of Osmose QA

2015-04-02 Thread stevea
Absolutely fantastic, awesome tool. What a triumph! Thank you Frédéric: I salute your efforts and am now exploring Osmose's depths and interface. Yay! SteveA California (a software and quality assurance professional for over thirty years, including stints at Apple and Adobe)

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-02 Thread stevea
Russ Nelson writes: There are maps which are canonical sources of facts about the world, such as a BNSF map naming subdivisions. No one can own a fact about the world, because it's a fact. Just like you can't patent math. Same idea. You can copyright a collection of facts. You can copyright the

Re: [Talk-us] New North America coverage of Osmose QA

2015-04-02 Thread Alex Barth
Thank you Frédéric and Osmose team! On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Osmose QA is a Quality Assurance tool. It detects and reports errors based on more than 200 rulesets. http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Richard Welty
On 4/2/15 4:27 PM, Paul Norman wrote: On 3/29/2015 5:00 AM, Mark Bradley wrote: Can I export these ways from OSM and then import them into OHM? The main technical problem with moving data from one OSM API to another (e.g. OSM to OHM, OSM to dev server, OSM to OpenGeoFiction) is making sure to

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/29/2015 5:00 AM, Mark Bradley wrote: Can I export these ways from OSM and then import them into OHM? The main technical problem with moving data from one OSM API to another (e.g. OSM to OHM, OSM to dev server, OSM to OpenGeoFiction) is making sure to get rid of the OSM IDs, as the other

Re: [Talk-us] New North America coverage of Osmose QA

2015-04-02 Thread Hans De Kryger
Thanks Frederic! On Apr 2, 2015 11:57 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: This is amazing news. Osmose is a really valuable tool. Also there is a good integration with MapRoulette that Frédéric built, and has already resulted in some interesting challenges. As you explore Osmose, let

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Russ Nelson
EthnicFood IsGreat writes: It's apparent to me that consensus will never be reached on whether or not abandoned railroads belong in OSM (at least the way it is currently configured), given the strong feelings on both sides of the issue. That's why I think moving them to OHM is a good

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Greg Troxel writes: More seriously, a wave of deletionism is really bad for the project in terms of morale. +1 -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Mike N writes: On 4/1/2015 10:51 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: I don't have an awful lot of use of OpenHistoricalMap because it's a faux-layer. What if OpenRailwayMap could pull from OpenHistoricalMap to do a complete rendering, even though it's a faux-layer? Presumably they would do

Re: [Talk-us] New North America coverage of Osmose QA

2015-04-02 Thread Mike N
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[Talk-us] Facts about the world

2015-04-02 Thread stevea
Simon Poole writes: Up to now OSM has drawn the line in such a way that stuff that is signposted and is observable on the ground is fair game (with some exceptions, I believe the GR issue is still unsolved). Yes, all of that is fair game. Though I don't know what the GR issue is, and ask you

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: But the map *already* doesn't render abandoned railways, much less razed railways. C'mon, let's not conflate the renderings with OSM. I can understand if someone deletes a railway by hitting the wrong key. I can

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Stellan Lagerström
On 2015-04-02 10:08, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 04/02/2015 06:15 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: I understand keeping a feature in OSM if there is a remnant of the railroad, but there are areas where everything has been replatted, regraded and redeveloped, yet there is still a razed feature

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-02 Thread Russ Nelson
Simon Poole writes: Am 02.04.2015 um 05:20 schrieb Russ Nelson: Maps with insufficient creative content to be copyrightable. They may exist, but are you seriously saying that we (as in individual mappers and the OSM community as a whole) should make that determination? No, that

Re: [Talk-us] New North America coverage of Osmose QA

2015-04-02 Thread Martijn van Exel
This is amazing news. Osmose is a really valuable tool. Also there is a good integration with MapRoulette that Frédéric built, and has already resulted in some interesting challenges. As you explore Osmose, let me know if you want any other QA themes from Osmose to appear in MapRoulette. Martijn

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Greg Troxel
I don't have time to wade into the controversy, but +1 to Russ's comments. Old railroad grades really are features. The USGS shows them on topos, and they're often really obvious. More seriously, a wave of deletionism is really bad for the project in terms of morale. Doing more than a

[Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread EthnicFood IsGreat
It's apparent to me that consensus will never be reached on whether or not abandoned railroads belong in OSM (at least the way it is currently configured), given the strong feelings on both sides of the issue. That's why I think moving them to OHM is a good compromise. I don't like it, but I

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Kevin Kenny
On 04/01/2015 10:42 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: Oh, I'd be HAPPY to argue with him. I can point to all sorts of ways to tell that a railroad used to go through, that most people don't know about. Certain types of fenceposts, property lines that line up with nothing but the railbed, back yards that

Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap

2015-04-02 Thread Eric Christensen
On , EthnicFood IsGreat wrote: It's apparent to me that consensus will never be reached on whether or not abandoned railroads belong in OSM (at least the way it is currently configured), given the strong feelings on both sides of the issue.  That's why I think moving them to OHM is a good

[Talk-us] New North America coverage of Osmose QA

2015-04-02 Thread Frédéric Rodrigo
Hi, Osmose QA is a Quality Assurance tool. It detects and reports errors based on more than 200 rulesets. http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmose We are glad to announce the new North American coverage of Osmose QA. After Africa and Antarctica, America is

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-02 Thread Simon Poole
Am 02.04.2015 um 05:20 schrieb Russ Nelson: ... April Fools! Yes, you can. There are many kinds of public domain maps whose republication needs no license. For example, in the US all maps published before the magic date, whatever year it is we're up to now. Maps copyrighted but not renewed.

Re: [Talk-us] USA Rail: Calling all OSM railfans! (especially in California)

2015-04-02 Thread Ian Dees
Hi everybody! Let's tone down this thread a bit and bring it back on topic. Thanks! Ian ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us