Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-05 Thread Andy Townsend
 > tell me which sidewalks need to be mapped (because they are separate geometries, I mean highway=footway, footway=sidewalk) in Graz, Austria Locally I'd do that

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 3, 2019, 10:30 PM by nbol...@gmail.com: > > Also for me - in my opinion it is not a hack, it is a well working solution. > > I want to use this exact info to figure out which areas need more mapping of > sidewalks - and I plan to do so eventually. But it's not easy! > > Here's a friendly and

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Nick Bolten
Absolutely! I may have miscommunicated. I want the exact same thing: for it to be easier to tag "missing" infrastructure. I'm just remembering my many attempts to evaluate sidewalk network completeness (that's highway=footway objects), and it's not easy. But I don't want to launch another

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Nick Bolten
> Also for me - in my opinion it is not a hack, it is a well working solution. I want to use this exact info to figure out which areas need more mapping of sidewalks - and I plan to do so eventually. But it's not easy! Here's a friendly and annoying challenge: tell me which sidewalks need to be

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 11:58 AM Richard Welty wrote: > i have not reviewed NYS GIS data because there were, in the past > at least, licensing issues. i do not know if those have been resolved > so i'm not pitching a fit about that. it might be ok now. i just don't > know. but from this edit, it

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 3, 2019, 8:20 PM by ajt1...@gmail.com: > On 03/03/2019 18:43, Nick Bolten wrote: > >> As I mentioned, I'm aware of hacks regarding sidewalks >> > > I wouldn't describe sidewalk=none as a hack - speaking as someone who walks a > lot, any verifiable tag that says "you're allowed to, but you

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/03/2019 18:43, Nick Bolten wrote: As I mentioned, I'm aware of hacks regarding sidewalks I wouldn't describe sidewalk=none as a hack - speaking as someone who walks a lot, any verifiable tag that says "you're allowed to, but you probably don't want to walk down this road" is really

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Nick Bolten
As I mentioned, I'm aware of hacks regarding sidewalks - though I can absolutely guarantee that strategy is insufficient, particularly when the issue is, "this non-expert mapper needs to know what work has been done more easily" (I've tried using those tags many, many times). This issue will occur

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 3, 2019, 7:26 PM by nbol...@gmail.com: > You can't differentiate between "nobody has attempted to add the sidewalks to > this block" from "there are no sidewalks on this block" without worldwide > manual reviews > sidewalk=none, 270k uses worldwide

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Nick Bolten
I like the idea of having information indicating the lack of certain features, when necessary - such as the geometry with a note on it about what not to map. It would be great if it could be done more formally, for purposes of QA, such as how the construction tags work for buildings, streets, etc

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/3/19 1:06 PM, Andy Townsend wrote: > On 03/03/2019 16:09, Richard Welty wrote: >> what can/should we be doing about this sort of stuff? i'm really >> at a bit of a loss here. >> > Aside from the excellent technical suggestion that's already been made, > I'd suggest a polite changeset

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Andy Townsend
On 03/03/2019 16:09, Richard Welty wrote: what can/should we be doing about this sort of stuff? i'm really at a bit of a loss here. Aside from the excellent technical suggestion that's already been made, I'd suggest a polite changeset discussion comment, explaining that the imagery that

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Richard Welty
On 3/3/19 11:47 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I also don't make risky armchair edit in areas with active local mappers. > > --- > > Is "NYS GIS data" something that can be considered nearly error free? If > not then > it should not be used for edits without verification with at least >

Re: [Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Mar 3, 2019, 5:09 PM by rwe...@averillpark.net: > we've talked about this before, i guess we will never stop talking about it. > > i recently noticed in my OSMAnd display that an error got put back > into the map about 1 mile from where i live. a short dead end > was put in as a residential road

[Talk-us] armchair mappers putting errors back into the map

2019-03-03 Thread Richard Welty
we've talked about this before, i guess we will never stop talking about it. i recently noticed in my OSMAnd display that an error got put back into the map about 1 mile from where i live. a short dead end was put in as a residential road (it's really an unnamed driveway) based on NYS GIS data. i