Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-11 Thread Nick Hocking
It may be that what is happening is that NE2 is deliberately trying to start an edit war so that he will be allowed back onto this list to discuss it. If, as seems to be the case, the bulk of his edits are destructive and need to be reverted, then the sensible thing to do may be to put an auto

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-11 Thread Bill R. WASHBURN
After viewing the satellite imagery for this intersection, it is clear to me that the turn testifying should be in place. Were the same intersection in Georgia, a driver going straight across could be charged with Failure to obey a traffic control device (with the traffic control devices in

[Talk-us] Previous disputes NE2 and Paul Johnson

2013-02-11 Thread Richard Weait
These two accounts have a history of conflict with each other. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-October/004432.html NE2 and Paul Johnson have been instructed previously to leave each other alone. Anthony DiPierro is the only person, so far, who has been banned from OSM for

Re: [Talk-us] Previous disputes NE2 and Paul Johnson

2013-02-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: In my opinion, if you get in an argument with Anthony or NE2 and you are right, you are still wrong. They argue for the sport. The entire point of their argument is the conflict, not the potential for resolution. So

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14989711 NE2 has ignored the discussion intentionally and reverted against consensus. You can't

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP

2013-02-11 Thread Michael Patrick
FYI, an official ruling from Mouseland. This email stuff is pretty cool, one can actually directly ask somebody who is a Subject Matter Expert! ;-) Michael -- Forwarded message -- From: FHP f...@flhsmv.gov Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:08 AM Subject: RE: Legal Intersection

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP

2013-02-11 Thread Dave Hansen
On 02/11/2013 08:34 AM, Michael Patrick wrote: FYI, an official ruling from Mouseland. This email stuff is pretty cool, one can actually directly ask somebody who is a Subject Matter Expert! ;-) While I admire the resourcefulness, I do question whether we're doing the right thing if we are

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP

2013-02-11 Thread John F. Eldredge
Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On 02/11/2013 08:34 AM, Michael Patrick wrote: FYI, an official ruling from Mouseland. This email stuff is pretty cool, one can actually directly ask somebody who is a Subject Matter Expert! ;-) While I admire the resourcefulness, I do question whether

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP

2013-02-11 Thread Paul Johnson
So can we revert NE2's revert from last night? On Feb 11, 2013 10:35 AM, Michael Patrick geodes...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, an official ruling from Mouseland. This email stuff is pretty cool, one can actually directly ask somebody who is a Subject Matter Expert! ;-) Michael --

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP

2013-02-11 Thread Clay Smalley
I think it's a little ridiculous that this dispute is going so far that anyone even consulted an expert. Obviously NE2 is wrong; we get it. This dead horse hasn't just been beaten; it's been liquefied. Let's just let the OSM gods deal with it, and go on with our lives. On Feb 11, 2013 10:35 AM,

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute FHP

2013-02-11 Thread Skye Book
If it wasn't this dispute then it would have been another. At least now there's a precedent set for ground truth and following the local laws. One of the premises of OSM is that crowd-sourcing and local knowledge improves the quality of the maps, I think this conversation and eventual legal

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-11 Thread Apollinaris Schöll
there is a precedent. mk408. He was active mainly in one area only. after some edit war and unwilling to discuss with others he got blocked by DWG and then left for good. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:56 AM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote: I don't agree. NE2’s edits, most of all the route

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

2013-02-11 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Someone with local knowledge might want to look over the ref=* tags in Florida, a lot seem to be missing the context that let you know what network they're a part of. I'd actually been kicking around proposing a bulk

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

2013-02-11 Thread Clay Smalley
The SR and SH designations were mostly put in by NE2, IIRC. Go figure. I'm personally okay with this mass edit, but expect a lot of hate mail from NE2. On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Someone with local knowledge might want to look over the ref=* tags in

Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-11 Thread Chris Lawrence
Without wading too deeply into the personalities here, there's a danger inherent to having rules that you will have people who think they're being very clever by trying to repeatedly bump up against them in ways that may respect the letter of the rules but not their underlying spirit. For

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

2013-02-11 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com wrote: The SR and SH designations were mostly put in by NE2, IIRC. Go figure. I'm personally okay with this mass edit, but expect a lot of hate mail from NE2. FWIW I did get a pair of emails from NE2 that says, in part, he

Re: [Talk-us] ref tags

2013-02-11 Thread Clay Smalley
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Chris Lawrence lordsu...@gmail.com wrote: He does reiterate the point it would lead to long ref tags that would conflict with Mapnik's limitations. He also argues that it would make the Mapnik rendering erroneous Tagging for the renderer. As far as the blade

[Talk-us] Landuse polygons within landuse polygons

2013-02-11 Thread stevea
(While both are important, I begin this thread In the interests of taking this list out of the OSM social and more into the OSM technical/practical): I have questions about landuse polygons. For example, barracks, where soldiers are quartered (housed) inside of a military base. A polygon