Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
I'm sure there will be edge cases where this bot gives us wrong data, but I think overall this will make OSM data better. Thank you for taking the time to improve OSM. CJ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
I'm sure there will be edge cases where this bot gives us wrong data, but I think overall this will make OSM data better. Thank you for taking the time to improve OSM. CJ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
Nov 2, 2023, 15:05 by a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 22:42, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > >> >> I proposed some time ago to fix some surface values. >> > > I support this in general, but the following may be worthy of further > consideration: > >> surface = U → surface = unpaved >> > > Are we sure this is what is meant? > pretty sure, turns out that failed autocomplete is commons feel free to research remaining cases, if there is any noticeable amount of paved surfaces there I will drop it >> surface = unhewn_cobblestones → surface = unhewn_cobblestone >> > > How is this different from surface = cobblestone ? > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dcobblestone and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dunhewn_cobblestone >> surface = a → surface = asphalt >> >> surface = AS → surface = asphalt >> >> surface = ea → surface = earth >> > > Are we sure these are what is meant? > > >> surface = unpavedNo → surface = unpaved >> > > Are we sure that this does not mean "not unpaved", i.e. "paved" > see surface=U comment, in this cases I checked decent sample of cases >> there are also many low-use values with one or two or three extra bogus >> characters, for example >> surface = artificial_turf22 → surface = artificial_turf >> >> would be also OK to migrate them without listing them >> for review here and just add them to replace list later? >> > > OK by me. > :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 22:42, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > > I proposed some time ago to fix some surface values. I support this in general, but the following may be worthy of further consideration: > surface = U → surface = unpaved Are we sure this is what is meant? > surface = unhewn_cobblestones → surface = unhewn_cobblestone How is this different from surface = cobblestone ? > surface = a → surface = asphalt > surface = AS → surface = asphalt > surface = ea → surface = earth Are we sure these are what is meant? > surface = unpavedNo → surface = unpaved Are we sure that this does not mean "not unpaved", i.e. "paved" > there are also many low-use values with one or two or three extra bogus > characters, for example > surface = artificial_turf22 → surface = artificial_turf > > would be also OK to migrate them without listing them > for review here and just add them to replace list later? OK by me. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
I will review this list. Rare obvious values I will just retag. Some may appear in future proposal. Some are proposed in this one (holz) Some are too complex (pflastersteine) and I will rather create notes for them as it can be not only sett https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/proposed-bot-edit-automatic-replacement-of-surface-values-where-it-is-safe/105361/5 Nov 2, 2023, 08:11 by md...@xs4all.nl: > I have a few suggestions too: > > verdichtet => compacted > straatstenenc => paving_stones > bestraat => paving_stones > niet-bestraat => unpaved > niet-bestraat2 => unpaved > niet-bestraat33 => unpaved > щебеночное_покрытие => gravel > no_paved => unpaved > concreteas => concrete > Pflastersteine => sett > pflastersteine => sett > Bosbodem => dirt > klinkers => sett > sans_revêtement => unpaved > schotter => gravel > Turf => turf > holz => wood > грунт => dirt > terre_battue => gravel > плитка => paving_stones > pavingstones => paving_stones > não_pavimentado => unpaved > Waldboden => ground (literally forest soil) > permukaan tanah dan Beton means ground and concrete > > And I want to point attention to surface=앿 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1185643877 > Seems someone is adding this in Taiwan a lot. I think it means unpaved. > > >> Op 01-11-2023 23:42 CET schreef Mateusz Konieczny via talk >> : >> >> >> I proposed some time ago to fix some surface values. >> >> Edit is documented at >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/fixing_malformed_surface_tags >> >> I propose to expand this by fixing also values listed below. >> >> Please comment if any of proposed replacements are dubious in any way and >> do not qualify for a replacement with an automated edit. >> >> Please also comment if you checked values proposed to be edited and they >> seem fine! >> >> Edit will affect around 2200 objects. >> >> It is preferable to use standard tag values where possible, >> and in many cases unusual values can be migrated without any data loss. >> The list below is supposed to contain only such cases. >> >> If anyone wants I can help them to find affected objects or present listing >> of >> edits which added this tags or list people who added this values onto >> currently >> tagged osm objects. >> >> Samples of this values were tested. I also asked for review at >> >> https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 >> >> Tried to use them as detectors of bogus data, neither were really useful for >> this purpose. >> We have many better ways to find OSM data requiring human review. >> >> So I am proposing following changes >> >> tags with highest use, among ones that will be retagged >> surface = astroturf with 297 uses >> surface = timber with 122 uses >> surface = paving with 179 uses >> surface = U with 82 uses >> surface = enrobé with 276 uses >> surface = terre with 383 uses >> >> >> surface = astroturf → surface = artificial_turf >> surface = timber → surface = wood (see >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/66866027>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/68461319>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69445813>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57280475>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126800407>> ) >> surface = DIRT → surface = dirt >> surface = paving → surface = paved >> surface = U → surface = unpaved >> >> French from >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088164.html >> review at >> >> https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 >> >> surface = enrobé → surface = asphalt >> surface = béton_bitumineux → surface = asphalt >> surface = béton_bitumimeux → surface = asphalt >> surface = bitumen → surface = asphalt >> surface = enrobes → surface = asphalt >> surface = bitume → surface = asphalt >> surface = goudronné → surface = asphalt >> surface = gourdon → surface = asphalt >> surface = plastique → surface = plastic >> surface = banc_de_sable → surface = sand >> surface = terre → surface = earth >> surface = Terre → surface = earth >> surface = terre_boue → surface = mud >> surface = terre_humide → surface = mud >> surface = terre,_boue → surface = mud >> surface = graviers → surface = gravel >> surface = tere → surface = earth >> surface = terre2 → surface = earth >> surface = caoutchouc → surface = rubber >> surface = bois → surface = wood >> surface = béton_désactivé → surface = concrete >> surface = terre_batue → surface = clay >> surface = pavés → surface = paved >> surface = carrelage → surface = tiles >> surface = pelouse_et_terre → surface = grass;ground >> surface = terre_touvenant → surface = ground >> surface = terre;herbe → surface = ground;grass
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
Nov 2, 2023, 10:06 by marc_m...@mailo.com: > Hello, > > Le 01.11.23 à 23:42, Mateusz Konieczny via talk a écrit : > >> French from >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088164.html >> > > wouldn't it be a good idea to make the changes you've already agreed > to first? because this is the 3rd time we've reviewed the list. > or you can make a request separating the new values from the old ones > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct requires changes to be reviewed at talk mailing list I also posted French words on French forum to give people not active on English forums to review French words. I also posted on community forum as many are present there - no entries were added compared to that posting. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
> Op 02-11-2023 09:57 CET schreef Marc_marc : > Le 02.11.23 à 08:09, Maarten Deen a écrit : > > terre_battue => gravel > > this one is wrong, the correct fix was already in the previous list > terre_battue clay for tennis pitch, earth for others Ah, in dutch we call that gravel as well. I see in english it is called a clay pitch. I just assumed because gravel is an english term it was called that in english too. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
Hello, Le 01.11.23 à 23:42, Mateusz Konieczny via talk a écrit : French from https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088164.html wouldn't it be a good idea to make the changes you've already agreed to first? because this is the 3rd time we've reviewed the list. or you can make a request separating the new values from the old ones Le 02.11.23 à 08:09, Maarten Deen a écrit : terre_battue => gravel this one is wrong, the correct fix was already in the previous list terre_battue clay for tennis pitch, earth for others Regards, Marc ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
I have a few suggestions too: verdichtet => compacted straatstenenc => paving_stones bestraat => paving_stones niet-bestraat => unpaved niet-bestraat2 => unpaved niet-bestraat33 => unpaved щебеночное_покрытие => gravel no_paved => unpaved concreteas => concrete Pflastersteine => sett pflastersteine => sett Bosbodem => dirt klinkers => sett sans_revêtement => unpaved schotter => gravel Turf => turf holz => wood грунт => dirt terre_battue => gravel плитка => paving_stones pavingstones => paving_stones não_pavimentado => unpaved Waldboden => ground (literally forest soil) permukaan tanah dan Beton means ground and concrete And I want to point attention to surface=앿 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1185643877 Seems someone is adding this in Taiwan a lot. I think it means unpaved. > Op 01-11-2023 23:42 CET schreef Mateusz Konieczny via talk > : > > > I proposed some time ago to fix some surface values. > > Edit is documented at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/fixing_malformed_surface_tags > > I propose to expand this by fixing also values listed below. > > Please comment if any of proposed replacements are dubious in any way and > do not qualify for a replacement with an automated edit. > > Please also comment if you checked values proposed to be edited and they seem > fine! > > Edit will affect around 2200 objects. > > It is preferable to use standard tag values where possible, > and in many cases unusual values can be migrated without any data loss. > The list below is supposed to contain only such cases. > > If anyone wants I can help them to find affected objects or present listing of > edits which added this tags or list people who added this values onto > currently > tagged osm objects. > > Samples of this values were tested. I also asked for review at > https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 > > Tried to use them as detectors of bogus data, neither were really useful for > this purpose. > We have many better ways to find OSM data requiring human review. > > So I am proposing following changes > > tags with highest use, among ones that will be retagged > surface = astroturf with 297 uses > surface = timber with 122 uses > surface = paving with 179 uses > surface = U with 82 uses > surface = enrobé with 276 uses > surface = terre with 383 uses > > > surface = astroturf → surface = artificial_turf > surface = timber → surface = wood (see > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/66866027 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/68461319 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69445813 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57280475 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126800407 ) > surface = DIRT → surface = dirt > surface = paving → surface = paved > surface = U → surface = unpaved > > French from > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088164.html > review at > https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 > > surface = enrobé → surface = asphalt > surface = béton_bitumineux → surface = asphalt > surface = béton_bitumimeux → surface = asphalt > surface = bitumen → surface = asphalt > surface = enrobes → surface = asphalt > surface = bitume → surface = asphalt > surface = goudronné → surface = asphalt > surface = gourdon → surface = asphalt > surface = plastique → surface = plastic > surface = banc_de_sable → surface = sand > surface = terre → surface = earth > surface = Terre → surface = earth > surface = terre_boue → surface = mud > surface = terre_humide → surface = mud > surface = terre,_boue → surface = mud > surface = graviers → surface = gravel > surface = tere → surface = earth > surface = terre2 → surface = earth > surface = caoutchouc → surface = rubber > surface = bois → surface = wood > surface = béton_désactivé → surface = concrete > surface = terre_batue → surface = clay > surface = pavés → surface = paved > surface = carrelage → surface = tiles > surface = pelouse_et_terre → surface = grass;ground > surface = terre_touvenant → surface = ground > surface = terre;herbe → surface = ground;grass > surface = terre_naturelle,_argileuse → surface = ground > surface = gravier → surface = gravel > surface = gazon_synthétique → surface = artificial_turf > surface = béton → surface = concrete > surface = ciment → surface = concrete > surface = herbe → surface = grass > surface = gazon → surface = grass > surface = herb → surface = grass > surface = herbe_naturel → surface = grass > surface = pelouse → surface = grass > surface = pelouse_naturelle → surface = grass > surface = terre_et_rochers → surface = ground;rock > surface = béton_bois → surface = concrete;wood > surface = terre,_cailloux → surface =
[OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
I proposed some time ago to fix some surface values. Edit is documented at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/fixing_malformed_surface_tags I propose to expand this by fixing also values listed below. Please comment if any of proposed replacements are dubious in any way and do not qualify for a replacement with an automated edit. Please also comment if you checked values proposed to be edited and they seem fine! Edit will affect around 2200 objects. It is preferable to use standard tag values where possible, and in many cases unusual values can be migrated without any data loss. The list below is supposed to contain only such cases. If anyone wants I can help them to find affected objects or present listing of edits which added this tags or list people who added this values onto currently tagged osm objects. Samples of this values were tested. I also asked for review at https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 Tried to use them as detectors of bogus data, neither were really useful for this purpose. We have many better ways to find OSM data requiring human review. So I am proposing following changes tags with highest use, among ones that will be retagged surface = astroturf with 297 uses surface = timber with 122 uses surface = paving with 179 uses surface = U with 82 uses surface = enrobé with 276 uses surface = terre with 383 uses surface = astroturf → surface = artificial_turf surface = timber → surface = wood (see https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/66866027 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/68461319 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69445813 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57280475 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126800407 ) surface = DIRT → surface = dirt surface = paving → surface = paved surface = U → surface = unpaved French from https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088164.html review at https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 surface = enrobé → surface = asphalt surface = béton_bitumineux → surface = asphalt surface = béton_bitumimeux → surface = asphalt surface = bitumen → surface = asphalt surface = enrobes → surface = asphalt surface = bitume → surface = asphalt surface = goudronné → surface = asphalt surface = gourdon → surface = asphalt surface = plastique → surface = plastic surface = banc_de_sable → surface = sand surface = terre → surface = earth surface = Terre → surface = earth surface = terre_boue → surface = mud surface = terre_humide → surface = mud surface = terre,_boue → surface = mud surface = graviers → surface = gravel surface = tere → surface = earth surface = terre2 → surface = earth surface = caoutchouc → surface = rubber surface = bois → surface = wood surface = béton_désactivé → surface = concrete surface = terre_batue → surface = clay surface = pavés → surface = paved surface = carrelage → surface = tiles surface = pelouse_et_terre → surface = grass;ground surface = terre_touvenant → surface = ground surface = terre;herbe → surface = ground;grass surface = terre_naturelle,_argileuse → surface = ground surface = gravier → surface = gravel surface = gazon_synthétique → surface = artificial_turf surface = béton → surface = concrete surface = ciment → surface = concrete surface = herbe → surface = grass surface = gazon → surface = grass surface = herb → surface = grass surface = herbe_naturel → surface = grass surface = pelouse → surface = grass surface = pelouse_naturelle → surface = grass surface = terre_et_rochers → surface = ground;rock surface = béton_bois → surface = concrete;wood surface = terre,_cailloux → surface = ground;gravel surface = terre_et_herbe → surface = earth;grass surface = herbe_et_sable → surface = grass;sand surface = sable_et_terre → surface = sand;earth surface = terre_et_sable → surface = earth;sand surface = terre_cailloux → surface = ground;gravel surface = terre_goudrons → surface = ground;asphalt surface = terre_goudron → surface = ground;asphalt surface = terre_pierres → surface = ground;gravel surface = terre_et_pierre → surface = ground;gravel surface = terr_et_pierre → surface = ground;gravel surface = terre/sable → surface = ground;sand surface = terre_et_pierres → surface = ground;gravel surface = Herbe_et_cailloux → surface = grass;gravel surface = terre_et_gravier → surface = ground;gravel surface = gravillons,_béton → surface = gravel;concrete surface = graviers_et_terre → surface = gravel;ground surface = sable → surface = sand surface = Sable → surface = sand surface = cailloux → surface = gravel surface = pierre → surface = gravel surface = gravier0 → surface = gravel surface = asphalt_on_concrete_sub-base → surface = asphalt
