Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
I'm sure there will be edge cases where this bot gives us wrong data, but I think overall this will make OSM data better. Thank you for taking the time to improve OSM. CJ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
I'm sure there will be edge cases where this bot gives us wrong data, but I think overall this will make OSM data better. Thank you for taking the time to improve OSM. CJ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
Nov 2, 2023, 15:05 by a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 22:42, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > >> >> I proposed some time ago to fix some surface values. >> > > I support this in general, but the following may be worthy of further > consideration: > >> surface = U → surface = unpaved >> > > Are we sure this is what is meant? > pretty sure, turns out that failed autocomplete is commons feel free to research remaining cases, if there is any noticeable amount of paved surfaces there I will drop it >> surface = unhewn_cobblestones → surface = unhewn_cobblestone >> > > How is this different from surface = cobblestone ? > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dcobblestone and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:surface%3Dunhewn_cobblestone >> surface = a → surface = asphalt >> >> surface = AS → surface = asphalt >> >> surface = ea → surface = earth >> > > Are we sure these are what is meant? > > >> surface = unpavedNo → surface = unpaved >> > > Are we sure that this does not mean "not unpaved", i.e. "paved" > see surface=U comment, in this cases I checked decent sample of cases >> there are also many low-use values with one or two or three extra bogus >> characters, for example >> surface = artificial_turf22 → surface = artificial_turf >> >> would be also OK to migrate them without listing them >> for review here and just add them to replace list later? >> > > OK by me. > :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 22:42, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > > I proposed some time ago to fix some surface values. I support this in general, but the following may be worthy of further consideration: > surface = U → surface = unpaved Are we sure this is what is meant? > surface = unhewn_cobblestones → surface = unhewn_cobblestone How is this different from surface = cobblestone ? > surface = a → surface = asphalt > surface = AS → surface = asphalt > surface = ea → surface = earth Are we sure these are what is meant? > surface = unpavedNo → surface = unpaved Are we sure that this does not mean "not unpaved", i.e. "paved" > there are also many low-use values with one or two or three extra bogus > characters, for example > surface = artificial_turf22 → surface = artificial_turf > > would be also OK to migrate them without listing them > for review here and just add them to replace list later? OK by me. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
I will review this list. Rare obvious values I will just retag. Some may appear in future proposal. Some are proposed in this one (holz) Some are too complex (pflastersteine) and I will rather create notes for them as it can be not only sett https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/proposed-bot-edit-automatic-replacement-of-surface-values-where-it-is-safe/105361/5 Nov 2, 2023, 08:11 by md...@xs4all.nl: > I have a few suggestions too: > > verdichtet => compacted > straatstenenc => paving_stones > bestraat => paving_stones > niet-bestraat => unpaved > niet-bestraat2 => unpaved > niet-bestraat33 => unpaved > щебеночное_покрытие => gravel > no_paved => unpaved > concreteas => concrete > Pflastersteine => sett > pflastersteine => sett > Bosbodem => dirt > klinkers => sett > sans_revêtement => unpaved > schotter => gravel > Turf => turf > holz => wood > грунт => dirt > terre_battue => gravel > плитка => paving_stones > pavingstones => paving_stones > não_pavimentado => unpaved > Waldboden => ground (literally forest soil) > permukaan tanah dan Beton means ground and concrete > > And I want to point attention to surface=앿 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1185643877 > Seems someone is adding this in Taiwan a lot. I think it means unpaved. > > >> Op 01-11-2023 23:42 CET schreef Mateusz Konieczny via talk >> : >> >> >> I proposed some time ago to fix some surface values. >> >> Edit is documented at >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/fixing_malformed_surface_tags >> >> I propose to expand this by fixing also values listed below. >> >> Please comment if any of proposed replacements are dubious in any way and >> do not qualify for a replacement with an automated edit. >> >> Please also comment if you checked values proposed to be edited and they >> seem fine! >> >> Edit will affect around 2200 objects. >> >> It is preferable to use standard tag values where possible, >> and in many cases unusual values can be migrated without any data loss. >> The list below is supposed to contain only such cases. >> >> If anyone wants I can help them to find affected objects or present listing >> of >> edits which added this tags or list people who added this values onto >> currently >> tagged osm objects. >> >> Samples of this values were tested. I also asked for review at >> >> https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 >> >> Tried to use them as detectors of bogus data, neither were really useful for >> this purpose. >> We have many better ways to find OSM data requiring human review. >> >> So I am proposing following changes >> >> tags with highest use, among ones that will be retagged >> surface = astroturf with 297 uses >> surface = timber with 122 uses >> surface = paving with 179 uses >> surface = U with 82 uses >> surface = enrobé with 276 uses >> surface = terre with 383 uses >> >> >> surface = astroturf → surface = artificial_turf >> surface = timber → surface = wood (see >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/66866027>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/68461319>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69445813>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57280475>> >> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126800407>> ) >> surface = DIRT → surface = dirt >> surface = paving → surface = paved >> surface = U → surface = unpaved >> >> French from >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088164.html >> review at >> >> https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 >> >> surface = enrobé → surface = asphalt >> surface = béton_bitumineux → surface = asphalt >> surface = béton_bitumimeux → surface = asphalt >> surface = bitumen → surface = asphalt >> surface = enrobes → surface = asphalt >> surface = bitume → surface = asphalt >> surface = goudronné → surface = asphalt >> surface = gourdon → surface = asphalt >> surface = plastique → surface = plastic >> surface = banc_de_sable → surface = sand >> surface = terre → surface = earth >> surface = Terre → surface = earth >> surface = terre_boue → surface = mud >> surface = terre_humide → surface = mud >> surface = terre,_boue → surface = mud >> surface = graviers → surface = gravel >> surface = tere → surface = earth >> surface = terre2 → surface = earth >> surface = caoutchouc → surface = rubber >> surface = bois → surface = wood >> surface = béton_désactivé → surface = concrete >> surface = terre_batue → surface = clay >> surface = pavés → surface = paved >> surface = carrelage → surface = tiles >> surface = pelouse_et_terre → surface = grass;ground >> surface = terre_touvenant → surface = ground >> surface = terre;herbe → surface = ground;grass
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
Nov 2, 2023, 10:06 by marc_m...@mailo.com: > Hello, > > Le 01.11.23 à 23:42, Mateusz Konieczny via talk a écrit : > >> French from >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088164.html >> > > wouldn't it be a good idea to make the changes you've already agreed > to first? because this is the 3rd time we've reviewed the list. > or you can make a request separating the new values from the old ones > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct requires changes to be reviewed at talk mailing list I also posted French words on French forum to give people not active on English forums to review French words. I also posted on community forum as many are present there - no entries were added compared to that posting. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
> Op 02-11-2023 09:57 CET schreef Marc_marc : > Le 02.11.23 à 08:09, Maarten Deen a écrit : > > terre_battue => gravel > > this one is wrong, the correct fix was already in the previous list > terre_battue clay for tennis pitch, earth for others Ah, in dutch we call that gravel as well. I see in english it is called a clay pitch. I just assumed because gravel is an english term it was called that in english too. Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
Hello, Le 01.11.23 à 23:42, Mateusz Konieczny via talk a écrit : French from https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088164.html wouldn't it be a good idea to make the changes you've already agreed to first? because this is the 3rd time we've reviewed the list. or you can make a request separating the new values from the old ones Le 02.11.23 à 08:09, Maarten Deen a écrit : terre_battue => gravel this one is wrong, the correct fix was already in the previous list terre_battue clay for tennis pitch, earth for others Regards, Marc ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: automatic replacement of surface values where it is safe
I have a few suggestions too: verdichtet => compacted straatstenenc => paving_stones bestraat => paving_stones niet-bestraat => unpaved niet-bestraat2 => unpaved niet-bestraat33 => unpaved щебеночное_покрытие => gravel no_paved => unpaved concreteas => concrete Pflastersteine => sett pflastersteine => sett Bosbodem => dirt klinkers => sett sans_revêtement => unpaved schotter => gravel Turf => turf holz => wood грунт => dirt terre_battue => gravel плитка => paving_stones pavingstones => paving_stones não_pavimentado => unpaved Waldboden => ground (literally forest soil) permukaan tanah dan Beton means ground and concrete And I want to point attention to surface=앿 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1185643877 Seems someone is adding this in Taiwan a lot. I think it means unpaved. > Op 01-11-2023 23:42 CET schreef Mateusz Konieczny via talk > : > > > I proposed some time ago to fix some surface values. > > Edit is documented at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_Edits/Mateusz_Konieczny_-_bot_account/fixing_malformed_surface_tags > > I propose to expand this by fixing also values listed below. > > Please comment if any of proposed replacements are dubious in any way and > do not qualify for a replacement with an automated edit. > > Please also comment if you checked values proposed to be edited and they seem > fine! > > Edit will affect around 2200 objects. > > It is preferable to use standard tag values where possible, > and in many cases unusual values can be migrated without any data loss. > The list below is supposed to contain only such cases. > > If anyone wants I can help them to find affected objects or present listing of > edits which added this tags or list people who added this values onto > currently > tagged osm objects. > > Samples of this values were tested. I also asked for review at > https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 > > Tried to use them as detectors of bogus data, neither were really useful for > this purpose. > We have many better ways to find OSM data requiring human review. > > So I am proposing following changes > > tags with highest use, among ones that will be retagged > surface = astroturf with 297 uses > surface = timber with 122 uses > surface = paving with 179 uses > surface = U with 82 uses > surface = enrobé with 276 uses > surface = terre with 383 uses > > > surface = astroturf → surface = artificial_turf > surface = timber → surface = wood (see > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/66866027 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126078123 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/68461319 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/69445813 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/57280475 > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/126800407 ) > surface = DIRT → surface = dirt > surface = paving → surface = paved > surface = U → surface = unpaved > > French from > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2023-April/088164.html > review at > https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/review-requested-before-proposing-bot-edit-for-automated-fixing-of-surface-values/18419 > > surface = enrobé → surface = asphalt > surface = béton_bitumineux → surface = asphalt > surface = béton_bitumimeux → surface = asphalt > surface = bitumen → surface = asphalt > surface = enrobes → surface = asphalt > surface = bitume → surface = asphalt > surface = goudronné → surface = asphalt > surface = gourdon → surface = asphalt > surface = plastique → surface = plastic > surface = banc_de_sable → surface = sand > surface = terre → surface = earth > surface = Terre → surface = earth > surface = terre_boue → surface = mud > surface = terre_humide → surface = mud > surface = terre,_boue → surface = mud > surface = graviers → surface = gravel > surface = tere → surface = earth > surface = terre2 → surface = earth > surface = caoutchouc → surface = rubber > surface = bois → surface = wood > surface = béton_désactivé → surface = concrete > surface = terre_batue → surface = clay > surface = pavés → surface = paved > surface = carrelage → surface = tiles > surface = pelouse_et_terre → surface = grass;ground > surface = terre_touvenant → surface = ground > surface = terre;herbe → surface = ground;grass > surface = terre_naturelle,_argileuse → surface = ground > surface = gravier → surface = gravel > surface = gazon_synthétique → surface = artificial_turf > surface = béton → surface = concrete > surface = ciment → surface = concrete > surface = herbe → surface = grass > surface = gazon → surface = grass > surface = herb → surface = grass > surface = herbe_naturel → surface = grass > surface = pelouse → surface = grass > surface = pelouse_naturelle → surface = grass > surface = terre_et_rochers → surface = ground;rock > surface = béton_bois → surface = concrete;wood > surface = terre,_cailloux → surface =
