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Once a woman embraces a man to dance with, she is not helpless to just "obey"
-- unless a leader is so bad to be totally insensitive, in which case she would
likely never again dance with him. With a little effort she can let the leader
know what she (dis)likes in a dance, starting with an embra
Now that the topic comes back again, let me add a few words.
When I teach, I always emphasize, half in jest, that there is no Central
Committee on tango (yet), so you do not go to a Gulag if in "error" of some
sort. But then on a more serious note I state that I teach what I know, what
works f
The trailer
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Almost without an exception (I could probably come up with one or two),
applause during a "demo" dance is given when a leader (most often a male) does
something beautiful/new/creative/surprising. Is that your experience as well?
When you look at dancers during an exhibition/demo dance, where is
Of course, it is an opinion as there is no objective way to make that judgment,
and it should be so understood. Additionally, there are teachers who are great
in teaching one particular aspect of the dance and others of another, etc... as
well as, there are teachers who work well with some peopl
I agree 100%. As I wrote in my tango blog recently, G&G are uniquely wonderful
as dancers, as teachers, and as people. Any chance I have to be around them,
taking classes or not or just chatting about things tango, if I were you I'd do
it.
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There were several instances of my messages to Tango-L that never got posted. I
had wondered about it, but it did not bother me too much. Then I remembered the
"plaintext" requirement for the list (rule 3.a.) and, voila, there it is. Has
that happened to you? Does that affect your participation?
What's lacking is participation, the medium is fine as it is.
For example, J.C. Cáceres passed away. Any thoughts? I, for one, love his
jazz-murga-candombe-milonga connection. As a DJ I love to play some of his
music (beyond "Tango Negro" and "Toca Tango").
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A very nice write-up about Cáceres in Tangauta:
Juan Carlos Cáceres | 1936-2015 (Español)
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| Juan Carlos Cáceres | 1936-2015
(Español)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAchvzkBrJ8 Músico, cantante,
compositor, pintor (Buenos Aires, Argentina 4 SET 1936 – Périgny,
I suspect I am not the only one on the list who is not a big fan of Facebook,
but I do note that there are many people who rarely read email too. I responded
to the survey and voted to keep Tango-L alive. It's all about priorities.
...dubravkoP.S. Now, there is something to discuss, eh?
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Hello Mario:
No repertoire; although, I do have certain relationships in the dance I like
and on occasion may attempt to create an opportunity for. Notice I did not say
"steps" but rather "relationships" as what happens depends on both dancers.
What is sufficient depends on my partner. There ma
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> From: Dubravko Kakarigi
>To: susanverg...@hotmail.com; lbrfsu...@comcast.net; tango-l@mit.e
Yes, Berlin is wonderful for tango lovers of all kinds - all the way from those
who are strictly "golden age" to those who are experimenting.
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Very nice write-up Steve. And, just in case anyone is questioning Steve's
ability to remember all those details, I was sitting with him once or twice at
a milonga - he was taking copious notes after every tanda and still managed to
get the dances. Way to go Steve!
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Well said, Jonathan.
Incidentally, we just earlier today watched "Si Sos Brujo" in Cafe Pavadita, a
forth Sunday of the month brunch/practice we hold in Gainesville, FL where we
enjoy friendship through our love of Tango. Highly recommended.
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Amazing and fantastic how different we are! In my experience, "affection and
romanticism" can be wonderfully shared at the arm's-length distance, maybe even
more so.
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Yes, sherrie, I agree, the length of the tanda should be a consideration more
than the number of songs in it, although, folks get used to certain number of
songs/tanda and are surprised if you deviate from the "standard." I try to stay
within 10 minutes/tangotanda when I DJ, which may be two, th
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> I don't think I have ever seen a DJ in BA danceIt is sort of like a
Oh, but they do indeed dance -- not every one of them, but many do.
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQtItjJyMfU, for example.
...dubravko
On the "leader/follower" issue. Would it be useful to think of the roles of the
"leader" and "follower" (use any other substitute dichotomous terms you wish to
describe the relationship) continuously and flawlessly changing between
partners
during the dance all the time?
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This whole discussion about rules, social- vs show-dancing, etc. has lost
meaning for me. I dance my inner dance that is inspired by the music, the
partner, the occasion, my state of being, and the floor with or without other
dancers on it. There is no way that I will dance twice the same way -
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> From: Nina Pesochinsky
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> Tango is exotic to all who don't understnad it. It is sacred to all who do.
Well said, Nina!
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Excellent questions Mario. Yes, I am a male. My first few months were really
scary. During my first visit to Buenos Aires (by myself), year and a half after
I started dancing it took me one hour to get enough guts to walk up to El Beso,
etc. etc.
Why did I continue? Because I had the dance insi
Thank you for pointing this out. When people know how to dance, strictly
following line of dance rule is meaningless, because you end up dancing with
other pairs on the floor co-creating a symbiotic dance of the whole group -
that's when the whole new horizon of dancing opens up.
...dubravko
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You may think of this what you wish, but here's an excerpt of my experience
from
a recent visit to Bs As dancing at a traditional afternoon milonga (3-10pm).
My partner and I always set together and mostly danced with each other. On
three
occasions (out of four visits to that milonga), men
Speaking for myself, it is the culture that is so unique which makes my tango a
richer experience than it can be anywhere else. Having an inkling of the
culture when listening to the music is then magnified 10-fold with the first
breath of air inhaled upon arrival. Hearing the noise of traffic o
I do understand the feeling of emptiness, sadness, loss of something dear when
you see things you love change. But, nothing, nothing ever remains the same.
The fact that so many cry out in favor of preserving tango "as we know it"
truly amazes me. That goal is truly impossible.
Instead, let's
Thanks Jack for this post. The (at least partial) answer to your question can
be found here:
What is Intangible Cultural Heritage? at
http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?pg=2
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From: Alexis Cousein
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> The Golden Rule: don't step where you don't know you have room, or adjust
> the step length to make sure you do have the room. Whether the
> "step" is sideways, to your back, to your front or turning doesn't change
> that.
That is only part of the story. What is much
Any (public) AT New Year's Eve milongas/parties in Berlin, Germany?
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A simple google search (or Tango-L search) would have, among others, yielded
http://pythia.uoregon.edu/~llynch/Tango-L/2001/msg02011.html
Do take a look!
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This may sound a bit esoteric, but a deeply rooted and focused intent coupled
with moving from the core gets transmitted to and organically understood by
your partner who is sensitive and tuned in and vice versa. Tango does not allow
fallacy and short cuts. Looking for all and only mechanistic a
Thank you Bettina for writing what I imagine many are thinking to themselves.
I would only like to add that tango is musical, lyrical, and dance expression
of the culture which gave it and continues to give it its essence and so it
evolves as the culture does.
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This is probably not a secret to anyone -- there are milongas where lights are
turned up at the end of the tanda and turned down after the first 30 seconds
(or so) of the next tanda. It should not take a rocket scientist to figure this
one out.
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From: Jack Dylan
To: Tango-L
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2009 9:46:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Refusing a dance...
> From: Dubravko Kakarigi
>
> In the absence of cabeceo, I find the situation even more complicated when
In the absence of cabeceo, I find the situation even more complicated when a
lady comes to ask me to dance and I do not want to dance with her or just do
not wish to dance at the moment (tired, want to watch, not inspired by the
music, whatever).
I am also always utterly puzzled when some ask f
I suppose the use of good old cabeceo has its advantages, no?
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Terminology I use when teaching, and I do this without claiming that it is
correct or anything like that, purpose being just to be able identify and talk
about things we do, is "molinete" for the case when the axis of rotation is in
one partner's leg/side-of-the-body and "giro" when the axis of
I too always use an ATM. It may be a bit more expensive at times, perhaps, but
is very convenient and a time-saver (24/7).
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It just so happens that I was in that same class, Jack, when Susana shocked me
too with her statement about the "myth." But, when you look at her leading, she
does it with her whole frame, of course, not only the arms (someone else
mentioned that on this list), unless she is exaggerating to illu
You probably already know these, but just in case you don't:
zivals.com has large selection of CDs for sale and is a reliable shipper.
www.todotango.com has huge selection of free music available for listening on
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My way of seeing this:
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNWC76wPGOo)
One thing I like about this context for dancing
is the backdrop character of the music.
This music is not danced (tango music is
danced) -- it provides a channel, a basis,
an opportunity to amplify a mood. And
then that mood
I participated in Milongueando 2008 and have my flight and registration paid
for for Milongueando 2009. I had a great time this past February and hope for
the same this coming February. If' you'd like more info, let me know in
personal e-mail.
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From: David Thorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Ernest: Thank you for your posting. I have very much enjoyed watching you
> dance, both on youtube and in person. You do actually dance! It looks like
> fun!
I second the above notion. I too enjoyed very much Ernest and
Dear Sergio (and other members of this group):
Thank you for your kind words -- no offense was taken, indeed. I fully support
everything you said.
Regardless of how proficient one is with anything, luckily, there is always
more to learn. I really came to believe that "the more you know, the mor
If there were any ladies on this list who might have danced with me, they could
testify that I do not "just start like a robot."
There are way too many assumptions here about how and why I dance (I won't
argue about that, not important what you may think of me personally) and why I
do not care
This is all very interesting. And I am sure the 30 sec chat serves various
intended purposes. However, all I need/want to know about my dance partner I
learn through dancing with her, not through talking with her. Actually having
any spoken conversation is very distracting for me. But, hey, my p
As bad as it all is, the only way to prevent it from happening is to not accept
such rude "invitations." But then you are blacklisted. The dynamic "rules" of
behaviour emerge from chaos of human relationships, not from any written
decrees. We can lament or we can adjust to make the best of any g
As an example of cadencias, one can take just about any clip of a dance by Tete
(and Silvia, but not necessarily), especially when he (they) dance a vals. For
example full of cadencias (at least as Tete teaches and explains and dances
them) see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMgv5kSRWZo
espec
You know, whenever I see a message like this, I wish there was some indication
from the author as to what makes the clip whatever attribute the author of the
post assigned to the clip.
What makes this clip very interesting for you, "m i l e s?"
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I suppose one needs to "(re)define" this thing referred to here as "tangozone."
I bet it means different things to different people.
I can tell you that I too have been there, but I am usually far from being
"relaxed, etc ..." As a matter of fact there usually is (1) no thinking
involved, (2)
Well, am I the only seeing the credits page on the clip which says that the
first song is "La melodía del corazón?" And is todotango web site wrongly
labeling the same song as such?
http://www.todotango.com/audio/wax/3840.wax
Or, did I misunderstand the question?
...dubravko
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The way I understand what Trini is talking about is that every dancer
eventually (the sooner the better) finds his or her own body which then, to a
large extent, forms the basis for his or her own style -- unique in time and
space. We all draw from the same bag of technical and choreographic con
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Subject: [Tango-L] Different feeling in tango
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>
> Jack says: "Don't we talk a lot about the feeling of tango.
> I know
it's very important to me [understatement!] a
Since about a year ago I started venturing into the "follow role" and, as I got
better at it, I discovered that it is another world, it is almost like a
different dance altogether, equally fabulously enjoyable. Every man should
experience a wonderful dance of tango as a "follower" -- highly reco
The way I look at it and teach it is that the so-called ochos are fundamentally
examples of change of direction themselves whereby a movement in one direction
is interrupted and the movement in the more or less opposite direction is
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> I've been told that posting a link to a youtube video and not saying much is
>NOT adding content to Tango-L
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> What is 'content' anyway? ..are 'changing directions' full of content
>because they are full of words?
Content to
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Subject: [Tango-L] Milonga - inspiration for the weekend
> > most instructors (usa) cannot dance the Milonga
>
> Interesting. I did not k
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> But there is one thing that shows up in tango more than in any other part of
> life, in my experience, and it is betrayal. Many different kinds.
Is there a story here? I am curious ...
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> when I see a dancer whose style I'd like to emulate..the bag of tricks is
> right there on YouTube..not that that makes it easy, it's just that; OK,
> maybe if I learn these five movements, I can have as much fun as he is.. it's
> a
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> Anytme that I can find a new video on this guy, I'm going to post it.
Frankly Mario, I think that in this clip Alberto's posture and footwork are way
below average.
...
> Lots and lots of pauses in this slooo tango..would it be o
Have you ever seen Tete dance in "line of dance" How would you classify his
dancing? I do not particularly care to classify it as anything at all, but it
seems that there is a tendency to imply that those who dance in the middle of
the floor are not good dancers. Not necessarily so. The only obv
I am curious Mario (and others of like mind), what exactly is it that you do
not like about the so-called Tango Nuevo? I know that many object to the
apparent lack of musicality exhibited by tango-nuevo dancers (absolutely not
inherently true in my mind), some object to many tango-nuevo dancers
I danced tango with my daughter a couple of years ago when I was 56 and she was
32 ( we live far apart and do not have a chance to dance together more
frequently) and it was extremely emotional and beautiful for both of us. In
many ways, it was even more beautiful than dancing with someone else
Agreed! It is certainly possible to change weight without the lady noticing it.
It is also possible, alhough more difficult, to fake a weight change thus
inviting the lady to change weight without the man doing it and thus change
from/to cross to/from parallel system. Great fun!
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Without seemingly trying to minimize the problem, let me point out that it is
not only the male (teachers) who may be abusive. Please let us not lose sight
of the fact that sexual harassment and abuse come from all directions. I am
speaking out of personal experience both as a child and as an ad
I actually think that woman's cross with all the possiblities and variations is
the most beautiful and sensual of "steps." I love to dance with a woman who
lets me completely guide her cross, including the degree of tiwst (if any --
prior, during and after crossing) and especially the speed of i
Mario:
Yes, indeed. Your post was a real shocker. But, why would you stop posting?
I personally welcome your probing questions, your enthusiasm, and yes, you
naivete at times. Just leave out the foul language and we are okay.
There is another point to be made about Astrid's observation, howev
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Subject: [Tango-L] Are they having as much fun dancing this as I am watching
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KJN1UKfMgI O.K. this is my last post of the
> day...but o
Okay Mario:
First, dancing tango is not a cerebral activity. If you end up thinking what
you are doing or what you will or want to do as you dance, it's already too
late and you loose the impact of both the music and your partner.
So, where is the magic trick? It is in dancing, dancing, dancing
Okay, now that this discussion is quite nice and respectful of different views,
let me put in my two centavos...
Here is how I see those and related things. In principle, we dance tango with
our bodies/torsos -- not with our legs or other parts (I hope you do not
understand this as me saying th
I was waiting and waiting for this subject to go away, but it wouldn't. So,
I've got to say my piece.
It'salmost as if those who are preoccupied with this so-called
"toe/heel"dilemma really do not wish to dance but only to make that perfect
step.Too many rules, folks!
Whenever I hear "you s
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Subject: Re:
This may be of interest. I recently attended two milongas in Buenos Aires with
"Los Reyes del Tango" playing live - not the whole evening but they played for
about two hours in total (it was great, by the way - their live performance is
much, much better than their CDs). And while they played, t
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> It is very difficult for many women to dance comfortably while being held in
> the small of the back, particularly if the lead pulls his arm in towards
> himself.
When dancing with any woman in chest-to-chest embrace, it i
One strategy which has helped me in more ways than one has been to have
multiple practice partners - one for each practice day in the week, preferably.
That way "she does not get bored" plus I had experience with a variety ot
responses given different body types, etc.
I still do about 15 minute
What I find full of additional interesting possiblities is to invite weight
change and not do it myself.
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Some of the discussion on this subject has been quite interesting. Let me add
that, in my view, there are bad and good "classic" tango dancers as well as bad
and good "nuevo" tango dancers. I think that those who come down so hard on one
or the other have not really experienced it when it is gre
Right! and why not introduce very early on "change of front," which allows
moving ahead in the line of dance without senselessly walking forward/back?
This way you introduce early on a useful technique/concept which can be used
over and over in all sorts of situations. It also introduces many ot
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> Osvaldo was overwhelmed by the response to his dancing on Monday night in El
> Beso. He has never done an exhibition because he dances for himself, not an
> audience.
That explains it to some extent. He did not look to be
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> Osvaldo was overwhelmed by the response to his dancing on Monday night in El
> Beso. He has never done an exhibition because he dances for himself, not an
> audience.
That explains it to some extent. He did not look to be
Does anyone know what Marcela Duran is doing these days?
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Sent:
Take a look at:
Origins of Villa Urquiza Style - Finito, Portalea, Balmaceda
Also:
Tango Villa Urquiza
Ramiro Gigliotti Villa Urquiza Style Tango
and make of it what you can and/or wish.
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From: Tom Stermitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> It is quite centrally located. Easy to walk downtown or to several
> milongas. Not easy to walk to Nino Bien, but you probably want
> to use
a taxi to that neighborhood. Corrientes is
If you are talking about the ones on Ayacucho and Lavalle owned by
Elizabeth, apart from occasional unforeseen snag which can happen
anywhere, I have had nothing but the best experience. As a matter of
fact I am returning there in two weeks. Location is perfect - I love it.
...dubravko
P.S. Th
Milonga is a very different dance from tango, not only in speed/tempo,
emphasis, "steps", figures, etc. but also, and more importantly, in the nature
of the embrace and the overall body movement and general attitude. Many
currently recognized male milonga dancers (like Casas, El Flaco, Rodrigu
Milonga is a very different dance from tango, not only in speed/tempo,
emphasis, "steps", figures, etc. but also, and more importantly, in the nature
of the embrace and the overall body movement and general attitude. Many
currently recognized male milonga dancers (like Casas, El Flaco, Rodriguez
I almost exclusively use three-song tandas, sometimes even two songs per tanda
if they are longer songs. I try not have a tanda last more than 9 minutes max.
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Here's what I do while dancing to help resolve the problem, for whatever it's
worth.
When I feel my partner consistently pushing off of my left arm (especially
during giros to the right or back ochos), I first need to make sure I am not
consistently throwing my partner off balance and then if
If I wanted to compare, I would compare certain aspects of tango to going to a
park and throwing a frisbee back and forth with a friend. If you think about
it, I am sure you'll find many similarities.
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This is getting to be really amazing to me. Why is it so hard to accept the
following:
1. If someone says to me, I do not like being called or compared to
such-and-such for whatever reason or no reason at all but just pure dislike, I
just should not do it, if for no other reason, for the respec
In addition to all the reasons already stated (I especially concur with the
statements essentially saying that
feelings can not be argued away as in "you should not feel that way"), using
the violin comparison is inadequate because it does not even apply to tango (or
dancing in general).
In an
Thanks for the post, Janis (and for others as well). Here's a direct link for
Pedro Ochoa's article:
http://www.10tango.com/interior/detalle_nota.php?idx=161&seccion=4
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I find men not dancing at the milongas after a while when they realize that
they do not know how to dance and the expectations are high. Many men try
practicas but usually better women dancers do not go to practicas (they may
think they do not need them - wrong) to help develop those men who rea
A cross, which can happen in many, many situations and in many ways, is for me,
as a man, the most beautiful and sensual moment in tango if done well. I
absolutely love it when a woman allows me to co-design it, because then I can
play with it, with its many elements. It is a moment of absolute
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