Thomas,
Not certain where you are from (your name sounds very German while your second
name is definitely Spanish), but in my land (Far East of Russia) the 1 TB
drives may cost circa $350-500 which is not a big deal.
--
Regards,
Roman
> Hello ETM,
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:25:38 -04
gree that you can block a base URL that way, but not a domain.
The problem is that the spam image URLs are of the form
http://img.imageshack.us/pict.gif
- of course I can block individual images and even a subdomain
(img in this case), but there are hundreds (thousands?) of
su
Hi all,
I'm trying to block any host in imageshack.us as it's the source for
most of the tracking images (and other semi-decent imagery) in my spam
emails. So far, the URL manager doesn't seem to support wildcards - or
does it?
On 26/11/2007, Henk M. de Bruijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where have you looked?
Googled it and looked around on the mailing list and on the RITLabs
web page. The URL you sent eluded me for some reason. I'll blame it
on the turkey!
Best regards from a former neighbor (
On 27/11/2007, Henk M. de Bruijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=2188
Thanks Henk!
I wonder why I overlooked that. Still, no screenshots yet - I'm
looking forward to when there is more information.
Best
Hi all,
I've been trying to find information on what's going to be new in
version 4, but have been unsuccessful. Did my turkey-induced food
coma blind me or is there nothing out there?
Regards,
Roman
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message
bodies?
Best regards,
Roman
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Hi Dave
Thank for answering.
That is EXACTLY the same problem, some times it does and sometimes doesn't.
It just started doing it, it's weird, never had the problem before.
Thanks again
--
Regards,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carlos Roman
Writer/Directo
hen I highlight it in the outbox
and press "send queued mail" and it goes immediately.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advanced.
--
Regards,
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carlos Roman
Writer/Director/Actor
My Space
http://www.myspace.com/raycobalto
Roman Pictur
silver or white for
us Germans) and has four wheels, so it must be a police car. Right?
Roman
--
I don't have a signature.
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x27;t work correctly. Initially all
mails were in the "Today" group, a day later most messages were in the
"Yesterday" group, even though sort by sent date is selected, not
sorting by received date.
Any hints what may
(Key material mismatch).
Until February 14, this worked. Then the site changed its key. It
was generated with the same settings as before, just a different time
span.
Is there a way to reset TB to accept the new key? Or is this a
different error altogether?
Roman
--
I'm sorry, but my
een on TB3 for a while now. Does that work aswell?
Roman
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t; Something like the date as in MMDD.
Don't use TB's scheduler?
Ok, seriously: use it but if you can use an external batch file you
might be able to make use of builting date/time variables in it.
Example is attached.
Regards, Roman
PS: you have to play around with the "
nary" CDs they are okay.
Cheap media? Bad recorder? Both?
German magazine c't has had some great articles on reliability of
CD/DVD media. Bottom line: there's no real reliability, especially
true for recordable DVDs.
I couldn't read most of my Verbat
On Wednesday, November 30, 2005, 08:11:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks a lot to all members of TB for the Gmail invitations.
I saw this a bit late and now you have yours :-)
If anyone else needs an invite, let me know!
Regards,
Roman
--
If I had been born some time ago I would
dy to use". Some [EMAIL PROTECTED] which you
could see without unpacking the box. If Bob (the OP) had such a retail
version of TB it's understandable he shouldn't have to put in his ISP's
data. Being a "computer engineer" (sic) though he should have figured
that out.
On Saturday, November 26, 2005, 15:33:25, John Phillips wrote:
> Can you define "safe"?
Safe: does not cause loss of data and/or settings and will not force me to
roll back.
Should be a matter of course for release versions of any software.
Regards,
Roman
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There are two trag
Hi all,
is 3.62.14 safe to use? I know it's the latest release (sic) version, but
many people seem to have a multitude of problems with it. I'm running
3.62.07. Update or not?
Regards,
Roman
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I love the culture of victimhood.
ke that...
Regards,
Roman
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There isn't a man, woman, or child in this country who at one time or
another doesn't enjoy a lovely beverage. -- David Letterman
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s)
::
:: Related options
::
:: -$[drive] Save volume label as a part of the Zip file; the current drive
is used
:: if not otherwise specified. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Create a file listing
all the files that
:: would be archived if
ce a pricing policy within
> the next 30 days or extend the time limit of the trial.
Don't count on it.
BUT the softpedia website says: "58 $ to buy"
Personally, I think that's a lot of dough for beta software.
Regards,
Roman
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Those who flee temptation g
d deleted to old one.
> 2) Deleted my TB index file and forced it to rebuild
> 3) Deleted Google and its files and forced those to rebuild
> 4) Run TB Maintenance a couple of times.
> 5) Defragged my HD
You did all that just to make it work and it didn't?
Regards,
Roman
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On 04/11/05, Jack S. LaRosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Upon receipt of your message I looked at the 'Don't filter messages
> larger than' box and it's not checked, so there should be no size
> restriction. I too am using v1.28.
Th
Hi Fredrik,
> Well, I cannot be the only one? How do you manage to read
> mailinglists other than the The Bat ones?
gmail and/or mutt. And I'm not kidding. They work.
Regards,
Roman
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the crime
PROTECTED]
Carlos Roman
Writer/Director/Actor
My Space
http://www.myspace.com/raycobalto
Roman Pictures, Inc.
Motion Picture & Television Producers
703-447-0722
www.roman-pictures.com
Geezers Television Pilot
www.geezers.tv
"Signals" Television Pilot
www.signalstv.com
Dr. PC Dude
ww
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carlos Roman
Writer/Director/Actor
My Space
http://www.myspace.com/raycobalto
Roman Pictures, Inc.
Motion Picture & Television Producers
703-447-0722
www.roman-pictures.com
Geezers Television Pilot
www.geezers.tv
"Signals" Television Pilot
www.si
ml rendering when I am using firefox or
> opera than with TB!
YMMV. What I've seen in newsletters and commercial email (e.g. from
my bank, from Amazon etc) has been ugly at times and very decent when
loaded in Opera.
Also, an option to load the images for safe senders or even by manual
re
got to mention in my original post.
Roman
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nother feature to
get the same functionality) I won't switch.
HTH,
Roman
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x) [80.283.21.128]
> by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 24 Sep 2005 10:22:23 +0200
> X-Authenticated: #1469024
> From: "Joachim Katzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Roman Katzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Besuch
> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:27:19 +
Has anyone else noticed this?
TB truncates words in its display. Example:
> http://www-users.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de/~roman/pictures/thebat_truncates_words.png
As one can see, the name is truncated (last letter missing) and the
subject is, too. In the message source both the name and the subject
On Saturday, September 10, 2005, 05:16:21, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> ...and a selective download filter that deletes everything from
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" right on the server. ;-)
> "Haben Sie Neuigkeiten für uns?"
Don't they kick you out if you don
Barry and Feli,
On Friday, September 2, 2005, 04:04:16, Feli Wilcke wrote:
> update to BayesIt 0.8.4 solved the problem for me.
Seems like BayesIt usually creates more problems than it solves.
The list is full of BayesIt problems.
Regards,
Roman
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Proof by importance: Much use
s? How many messages is that?
scratching his head,
Roman
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retrieval. TB has
an option to do just that. In case you computer breaks just before the
backup you can then re-retrieve all the messages since the last
backup.
Heck, you could even schedule daily backups in TB!
The NTFS suggestion is also good. Journaling file systems rule.
Best,
Roman
--
I
#x27;t Magazin" (renowned
German computer mag) tested several mail clients, TB among them, they
couldn't get it to work, either. Go figure.
I've been using K9 for about two year now and find it great. It's
tiny, very fast, and very reliable.
Roman
--
___
do that with TB's e-mails?
Regards,
Roman
--
Finding out what goes on in the C.I.A. is like performing acupuncture
on a rock. -- New York Times, Jan. 20, 1981
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original Inboxes but displays it in a common place.
Regards,
Roman
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The herd instinct among economists makes sheep look like independent
thinkers.
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Hi Alexander,
On Tuesday, July 26, 2005, 12:48:59, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
>> Is 3.51 later than 3.5.26 please?
> Yes. The version numbering system was changed a little bit. Quoting
> developer 9Val from the beta list:
And where does 3.5.30 fit in?
Roman
--
We know that t
to restore itself
completely. But you could try doing that. What good is a computer
anyways when you can't use your email program! :)
Good luck!
Roman
--
If you reread your work, you can find on rereading a great deal of
repetition can be avoided by rereading and editing.
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anyone know?
Regards,
Roman
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fortune staying stupid.
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.33 would help.
Regards,
Roman
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planning is indispensable. -- Dwight Eisenhower
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-
freely translating from German here). There's a setting for read and one
for unread messages.
Regards,
Roman
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You're in jail? That is SO cool! -- George, on Seinfeld
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y that also, etc
Just an idea. If it's not that, I want to know what is :)
Regards,
Roman
--
We are on the verge: Today our program proved Fermat's next-to-last
theorem.
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Hi Claude,
> Today I took a look at the ritlabs product home page and did not see
> it mentionned any more..
What was it supposed to do?
Maybe it went the way of TB Voyager, which is supposed to be released Real
Soon Now.
Regards,
Roman
--
Did you hear about the merger of Xer
gs in there. Turns out I was right.
Regards,
Roman
--
There's nothing more terrifying to hardware vendors than satisfied
customers.
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I'm critical, but it seems the beta people are getting alphas and
the release folks run betas.
Best regards,
Roman
--
It is better to have loved and lost than to have your finger caught in a
blender.
Current version is 3.5.0.1
Hi Batters,
what's new... no, what's _fixed_ in 3.5.0.17 (vs. 3.5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0)?
Is there a website on the fixes/changes from version to version?
Regards,
Roman
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meetings, members snack on donuts and
list ("TBUDL", "TBBTEA", etc.). It works perfect, and it looks GOOD,
> too! :) (It even converts "improper" subject tags into "proper" subject
> tags if I am not happy with the ones provided! ;).
Neat. Can you post it somewhere? With it's source
; "IMAP Outgoing Server": mail.gmx.net
> "User Name": Ihre GMX e-mail-Adresse
> "Account Name": Eine beliebige Bezeichnung, z.B. Ihre GMX Adresse
Dead on target.
Regards,
Roman
--
I'm not trying to pick you up. You're like too heavy. H
counts had IMAP enabled.
Regards,
Roman
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I was sitting here fast asleep when a trill from flora woke me up to some
arriving email... -- Robert Harley
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http://www.silvers
ettings -> Administration -> Services (freely
translating from German here). Try to see whether there's a Windows
Installer Service and whether it's running.
Regards,
Roman
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Compulsive Gambler, n.: A guy who would rather lay a bet.
___
dn't make that
clear. I was frustrated that features were added and bugs just not fixed
in new releases, or that people had to upgrade to a new major release to
get bugs fixed.
I haven't tested 3.5 yet - wanted to wait for some user testing.
Regards,
Roman
--
I went out for dinner wearin
has been common occurrence recently (say the last 18
months). If you ask for something, as a rule, you're not going to get it.
And vice versa - clearly, the developers saw the need for, say, a mail
chat feature.
Regards,
Roman
--
Economists are people who work with numbers but don't have
As for Voyager, I asked about that through their support and got a short
note back that it's not out yet. SOS.
Regards,
Roman
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you meant cookie for some reason.
However, you can use the %wrapped macro to wrap your footnores, I suppose.
Regards,
Roman
--
Love is a four letter word.
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> it had before
I use a quick template called "cookie" that looks like this:
%wrapped="%cookie=""c:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Roman\Anwendungsdaten\The
Bat!\cookies.txt"""
This, in turn, is called in new message templates.
The text you're grabb
ddresses for the same person.
BTW:
> The Bat! 3.0.9.10 Return
Any notion on when we humble release candidate users can indulge in a new
version of TB?
It's been more than 5 months with some pretty obvious bugs and very few
promises of "real soon now" and even fewer "yeah, we'l
B to put its data into the respective
user's Application Data folders. That way you can make TB only see that
person's data. However, this wouldn't permit you to use your wife's
account, unless you manually import her folders into your TB.
Regards,
Roman
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A month of exp
t test
seemed to show that the template works now.
Interesting, though: what can you do if you have a person in two different
address books or address book groups and you want to use both templates,
depending on occasion?
Regards,
Roman
--
Do you study the law, or do you stu
;t. I checked to see whether they had their own templates - they
don't.
Any idea what could be wrong here?
Regards,
Roman
--
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts without sufficient capital
to form a corporation.
Current version i
On Tuesday, March 15, 2005, 16:12:34, Steve Thomas wrote:
> What happened to The Bat! Voyager? The announcement came out but no
> product - at least that I can see on the web site.
They misspelled "Vaporware".
Regards,
Roman
PS: if you find irony, keep it ;)
--
I wil
that's of cause not the point and very OT.
Hey, we're talking about re-educating my sister here. Forget it ;)
Regards,
Roman
--
It has ever been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few
virtues.
Current version i
I had tried and not mentioned that.
It didn't help. As you suspected correctly, the encoding shown was "none",
setting it to Auto made it choose Central European. Neither that nor
Latin-9 worked.
Is this worth a bug report?
Regards,
Roman
--
I'm thinking to myself that I
On Tuesday, March 1, 2005, 17:13:20, Roman Katzer wrote:
> I'll try to attach a screenshot. It's about 3KB in size.
*grrmbl*
I thought attachments up to 25KB could be sent? Seems that the list
software filters everything out.
Here it is:
http://home.comcast.net/~merlynzero/utf8bad
ppears that the font there does not support the special characters
> you are missing.
It seems to have special characters, but the wrong ones are used.
I'll try to attach a screenshot. It's about 3KB in size.
Regards,
Roman
--
You can tell the ideals o
Is there no UTF-8 (Unicode) support in TB?
I got a mail encoded in UTF-8 and the "special" characters are displayed
wrongly.
Regards,
Roman
--
If you must drink, please don't drive. Don't even putt.
Current version
On Wednesday, February 23, 2005, 13:01:57, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> "Mr. SANI BAKOYO, the bank Manager Of Africa Continentale Bank Lagos
> Nigeria" ... would not like this. :-) :-) :-)
He doesn't. Would you _believe_ it, he even wrote me under a _false_
_name_ now!
The w
agazine c't (highly
respected) tested several mail programs and their spam filtering
capabilities they couln't get it to work. In other tests that I've read
BayesIt seemed to always be worse than other Bayes-based competitors.
The upshot of this: "No BayesIt fo me!!11"
false sense of security.
To exaggerate:
"This message contains no virus, no adware, no spyware and it isn't spam.
Run >this< attachment now. It's good for you."
Regards,
Roman
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Conversation, n.: A vocal competition in which the one who is catch
lly great. I would consider using it under those
circumstances.
Regards,
Roman
--
Not all the conservative are stupid, but all the stupid are conservative.
-- Benjamin Disraeli
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at http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org and send a mail to
the admin of the mail server that wrongly flagged your message.
Regards,
Roman
--
A people who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never will, and
never can, be. -- Thomas J
accidentally hit a shortcut key at some time, but who knows.
That said, are you making extensive use of shortcuts in Windows and/or TB?
Regards,
Roman
--
On one issue at least, men and women agree; they both distrust women. --
H.L. Mencken
Cu
ant advantages and
disadvantages of both clients? What do you like most and least about both?
Regards,
Roman
--
Mathematicians usually present the weirdest case first. -- Joel Franklin
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quite cumbersome, though - not for regular
execution, I guess. If nothing else works, I will try this.
Roman
--
--
NEU +++ DSL Komplett von GMX +++ http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
GMX DSL-Netzanschluss + Tarif zum supergünstigen Komplett-Preis!
__
However, it
doesn't seem to work with messages that are directly deleted from a folder
without going to the trash bin first.
I have my spam folders set up so that deleting messages from them doesn't
move them to the trash folder but deletes them completely right away.
Roman
--
attachment files unassociated with any
mail?
Regards,
Roman
--
Basic events require simple language. Idiosyncratically euphuistic
eccentricities are the promulgators of triturable abfuscation. -- United
Technologies
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reated
before that date will be in that folder.
Regards,
Roman
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Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called
upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason. -- Oscar Wilde
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r
the message as a sgnature)
Maybe a sig delimiter would make more sense in the server-added comment.
Regards, Roman
--
If all our misfortunes were laid in one common heap when everyone must
take an equal portion, most people would be content to take their own and
depart.
nks for a good tip and thanks in general for your advice on this
list! I think many people appreciate your effort here.
However, I still think this is a UI design flaw. Nothing fatal but
annoying. It could just have been done better.
Roman
--
Take it easy, don't let the sound of your own w
;date/t') do set dts=%%k%%j%%i
:: set program paths and folder locations
set winzipcall=C:\Programme\Utils\WinZip\wzzip
set regeditcall=C:\Windows\regedit
set xcopycall=C:\Windows\system32\xcopy
set tempdir=C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Roman\Lokale Einstellungen\Temp\
set backupdir=E:\backup
Hi David,
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 20:27:12, David M. Dickerson wrote:
> [anti-spam software]
I use K9 (http://keir.net/k9.html), extremely small, very very fast and
good configuration options. Accuracy about 98-99% here.
Roman
Curr
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 18:08:25, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
> My unread messages are shown bold... :-)
Mine too, but if you've turned threaded views on and one message at the
end of a thread is unread, all previous messages are bold, too.
Roman
--
No culture can live, if it
On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 14:36:57, Paul White wrote:
> Check the 'Filter' lines of the Account Log. Not the best way but as far
> as I know, the only way.
Thanks, I'll try that and promise to proof-read my messages in the future
:)
Roman
--
Foreign Aid - taxin
do the trick.
It did, thanks.
Roman
--
War will never cease until babies begin to come into the world with larger
cerebrums and smaller adrenal glands. -- H.L. Mencken
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On Saturday, October 16, 2004, 14:43:21, Roman Katzer wrote:
> Here's a screenshot of mine, I find it too similar.
Hnng. Attachment stripped. Here:
http://kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de/~roman/pictures/icons.png
> Again, is there any way to change this?
Roman
--
Explaining the
o similar.
Again, is there any way to change this?
Roman
--
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of an expanding
bureaucracy.
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Hello list,
Finally, how do I turn on message base etc encryption?
Roman
--
Science is based on the irrational belief that because we cannot perceive
reality all at once, things called time and cause and effect exist. --
Dogbert
Current
Where is it?
When I go to help from Help->Topics I get:
>"What's new in version 2
>
>Full support of IMAP protocol
>[...]"
Ah well, been there, done that, can't confirm. But I've ranted about this
before. The other help screens also apply to TB2.
Hello list,
the icons for unread vs. read mail in the message flags column are very
similar and thus hard to tell apart. Bad UI, no cookie!
Is there a way of changing them?
Roman
--
The House of Representatives held a hearing on cloning; you have to
picture 400 white guys in blue suits and
Is there a way to see what score BayesIt gave a message?
Just upgraded to 3.0.1.33 and use BayesIt for the forst time (dodn#t work
before).
Roman
--
What is Snow White's favorite drink? Seven up.
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ion and am not subscribed to TBBETA. Where can I
report a bug so that a developer will actually know about it?
Roman
--
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but
they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson
What about the upgrade problems some people had? Like filters not
working any more etc?
> Alternatively, you could roll back to about v. 2.00.6 or earlier. I
> don't think I had the hanging CC when I was running that version.
But other errors, in IMAP for instance.
Roman
--
ith the task manager, something I'd rather not do
because I don't want to corrupt any files but it's the only way I can
close TB.
Any suggestions?
Roman
--
This is probably as bad as it can get, but don't count on it.
C
free speech (tm)
forums/mailing lists.
Roman
--
The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be.
-- Paul Valery
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Hi Roelof,
On Wednesday, September 22, 2004, 03:40:57, Roelof Otten wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:21:44 -0400GMT (22-9-2004, 4:21 +0200, where I
> live), you wrote:
RK>> Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
I didn't, actually - it was the list bot. Yes, I'm passing the buck ;
On Tuesday, September 21, 2004, 08:25:54, Maxim Masiutin wrote:
> So if a user will suddenly submit a bug report or a negative message,
> the moderator will either move it to the «technical support» database or
> will delete it from the forum if this message does not require support.
A.k.a. strict
ff if you bought all the previous versions!
I'm very angered right now.
Roman
Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
a lot of mail clients
post. mutt does a superb job of threading long after TB has given up, even
though the mailing list server inserts an annoying [music-dsp] into the
subject.
my $0.02
Roman
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If a listener nods his head when you'r
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