t even
in that perception.
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and I do not the take the "Microsoft is right" standard as one since it isn't
published and can change on a whim.
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day I get on average maybe 5 in each account gets to the
inbox.
If you want it to bouce to your inbox chances are you're not filtering and
are already sitting in your inbox. If you are filtering then your mail isn't
going to the inbox and, again, there is no need for it.
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you could choose the editor
you wanted to use (personally, I'd use VIM but most people here don't want to
deal with a VI clone with tons of added features) would you take that route
and keep TB?
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y Inbox
> when new mail has arrived. yes, it's a Eudora habit ;-)
Why? 90% of my new mail doesn't arrive in my inbox. It arrives in the
folders /outside/ my inbox.
wouldn't touch?
You missed the point. Upon receipt a PGP message TB! should automatically
put it through PGP to get the original text and results of the PGP operation.
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Agreed. ;)
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t. Is it now mandated that one must only use a single mail client.
Hell, this week alone I've used 3 (The Bat!, mutt, KMail) and I run the
mailing list for a forth (PMMail) even though I no longer use or endorse it.
I think he should have taken a larger sample than one message.
ut every so often for a few months now.
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 11:21:25 AM, Jason wrote:
> My question is, can TB do this work for me with a regexp? The number
AFAIK, no. Regexp is pattern matching and string replacement but does not
have such capabilities.
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orted REs for search/search & replace.
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ntical discussion. I decided
that from now on I'm going to send out TeX-email since TeX is a typesetting
language used in publishing so, clearly, it will get my intent across exactly
as I want it, right?
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 4:43:49 AM, Tony wrote:
> http://www.incredimail.com/english/index.html
Thanks, I'm going to have to go home sick now.
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Friday, September 15, 2000, 4:02:36 AM, Tony wrote:
SL>> They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
> Any reason why your not using either of them?
What makes you think I'm not using one of them?
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s as an external editor for another
email client when it has gnus. I'm told gnus is god when it comes to news and
email, I am just opposed to reading mail and news with an editor macro. :)
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to do or that I could even mangle it to do it without
some serious macro work.
%:s/(\w*)\.home\.earthlink\.net/home.earthlink.net\/~\1/gi
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hers will point out that RE's are like a hammer in that once you
learn how to use them everything is a nail. ;)
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or it and correctly chooses the
proper key based on account. TB! just implements the most basic and
piss-poor, I might add, dialogs from the PGP DLLs itself with no automation
and no attempt to fix the glaring problems it has.
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ities in advanced
> SL> mode.
> Hey - now you're talking. How can I find out more about the scripting?
> Does it really do useful things?
Mainly just logic control.
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;ve been using TB!. :-)
Aside from templates what does TB! really do better?
PMMail has nicer filtering, better PGP implementation, better overall UI
(as in easier to use), is more logically laid out, etc.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
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On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:26:33PM -0700, ztrader wrote:
> On Thursday, September 14, 2000, 10:10:51 AM, you wrote:
> SL> has better sorting
> What is better?
That is not enough context to go by.
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t
> dhtml, xhtml etc) is compatible.
*chuckle* What does do in HTML 4.0?
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e an important add-on.
Please, why do people insist on trotting out this tripe? It is the top
/NOW/ because it works nicely as an email /CLIENT/, not as a browser, not as
an html page editor.
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There is no standard set of HTML defined for email clients to support.
2.0, 3.0, 4.0? XHTML 1.0? CSS? XML? What should they support and what
should they /not/ support?
There is no standard set for displaying HTML from email, only for the
transport of the HTML in MIME.
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sed most of
the time), has better sorting and doesn't need the ticker as it has most
features available from the tray. I call them comparable. :P
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H key we want sign, assuming there are many
>> signing keys in the keyring ?
> no. You can write wish :-)
Wish. BTW, key needs to be identified by KeyID. ;)
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0W-40 would
be in order. Love, Charles
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Thursday, August 24, 2000, 3:49:00 PM, A wrote:
> - Filter rules for messages from news and other promo sites to which I
> have subscribed.
Pst. You misspelled "porno". :)
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been expanded. If I do the
JP> same (click) on an unexpanded thread, no problems.
John,
I have the same problem, but mainly find it occuring when I
click on the sent items folder.
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How does one get TB! to set itself as default mail client without going
through the install?
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all. It seems to fit right
in and certainly doesn't offer the power of a more specialized FTP client. I
have LeechFTP as my FTP client and use it regularly where Opera fails. If
that is all the "download managers" offer, they certainly are not worth a
separate client since it is pi
.049%, being spam getting through to
my inbox. That was over several years of using that system on PMMail on an
account that was spammed heavily and on which I got in excess of 500 messages
per day.
Frankly, this should be a FAQ.
===Original message text===
From: Ste
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Saturday, August 12, 2000, 2:21:28 AM, Marck wrote:
> Please extend a warm welcome to your new moderator - I know I do :-).
'Grats. I can think of none better.
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Saturday, August 12, 2000, 6:10:14 AM, Dierk wrote:
> Who are you? Joe in another guise?
Glad I'm not the only one who thought that.
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Where can I find Listar?
<http://www.listar.org/>
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be able to provide some base review of it. Of
course, I am biased, but we all knew that.
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you know when I got to this message.
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If I recall correctly it was about 5 months ago that we
had the "newsgroup, web forum" discussion last.
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me I back down real quick. I
think it is just that I happen to check more than most.
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e user base baloons,
only support forum should be an email list.
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in a
better position to make that determination than you.
> I think not every one is that narrow minded to not at least consider a
> change of some sort.
I never said it wasn't considered. In fact, I stated that it was
COMPLETELY UNDURSTAND WHAT 1 AM SAYING. HOPEFULY TH1Z W1L CLEAR UP ANY
MISUNDURSTANDINGZ U MAY HAVE ABOUT THE POS1SHUN UV TH1Z LIST! THANKZ!
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The last editor I paid for, Mr. Ed on OS/2, at least had most commands on
the keyboard. I don't recall what else it did or did not do since that was a
good 5 years ago?
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board which is
impossible to follow.
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personal etc.
There are no personalities in TB!. Why not just drag it to the
appropriate accout?
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l
again in short order.
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ux box and my Solaris box and most of the Solaris
boxen I work on at work. It hasn't failed me yet. What were you expecting
from gvim that vim doesn't do?
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d for composing email does not need to be kept in memory or swap
or whatever they want to claim this time for any speed considerations at all.
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me if I use it frequently.
On the time scale you're talking about, if you /really/ need the few ns
that it /might/ save, you need to look at cutting down on other business in
your life and not worry about placing programs into the swap file.
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www.vim.org
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 5:08:04 PM, Joe wrote:
> Thanks, everyone out there who gave me a lot of help, and there were
> quite a few of you!
You're most welcome.
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nly deal with
RSA keys AFAIK. Which kinda hurts for people like me who use their DH key.
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y they are wrong complete with cites to appropriate
sources, hopefully relevant RFCs, correct?
Let's make this one in a nice floral arrangement, ok?
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es),
> and then other times I do it, it doesn't?
Editor Preferences | General | Quote name limit
> This is getting weirder and weirder, Marck, but thanks for taking a
> shot at it!
All fairly standard really. Oh, and this one is presented in, m,
crushed marble. Feel
such a thing and creating such a standard it
would check for (pardon regex here) m/^>+From / and if found, return the >s at
the beginning minus one. If storing the message it would check for
m/^>*From / and add one.
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n a small wrapper app that
> does the current job of launch and wait for exit.
Its not something that I would count on without a seriously formalized
standard of some sort.
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ail, it is the delivery agent and only on mbox format. The
POP server that can read mbox format should also know how to unescape a From
like that.
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is the > character. The POP server is supposed to remove any encoding
when sending to you but, alas, a lot of the newest ones do not.
But, of course, don't take my word for it, chances are I'm just yanking
your chain.
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gvim. The more I use it the more I like it and
the more I find out that it can do from simple to complex.
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, in fact, that Perl does even though they are "Perl Compatible Regular
Expressions."
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defined for each editor. Most editors can't even
implement anything more complex than a simple search and replace correctly. I
doubt they would even begin to consider this. No, the file open/close method
is the best because it works with everything regardless of the competency of
the program
anyone get any work done in that thing? Suffers from
about as much EMACSitus as TB! does.
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s platform specific. The only things
you can count on are the basics on the OS level.
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Thursday, August 10, 2000, 7:20:46 AM, Jamie wrote:
> So what exactly is better than UltraEdit? In my opinion and it blows
> Word and Emacs out of the water.
I've never used it. Why should I when I've had joe and vim?
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> and UE got minimized to tray when last window closed. And If I will
Like I said, a cheap, garden variety notepad wannabe. Get a real editor.
Unless you've got Word or Emacs there is /NO/ need for the editor to remain
in memory except to slow your machine
but from your response I
> guess it can't be done.
Not in a manner that would work with even a minority of editors, no.
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On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 02:07:02AM -0500, Curtis wrote:
> This is the sort of thing I'm referring to Kenneth. Having to close the
> editor every time in PMMail is plain awkward. It may be natural to Steve
> but it's bad. I'd only put up with it if I really much preferr
On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:56:47AM +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> What is wrong with you today Steve? Marck is referring to the closing
> feature that you would like, not about the bug.
I'm just wondering why everyone things they are different when they are
one a
, I'd love to simplify my huge filter list like this. How does such
> a filter look in TB?
Compared to PMMail with its complex filters? Horrible.
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aren't even talking about the same thing.
We are talking about the same thing, you're just being intentionally
ignorant on the matter. Hopefully the above cleared it up for you or do I
have to draw diagrams use smaller words for you?
> You will not goad me to say any more on this.
e? Seemed like a no brainer to
me.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 3:45:22 PM, Curtis wrote:
> Urhm, yes. What use exactly have I found for this bug? Stop being
> dishonest Steve.
The bug, Allie, is not closing upon hitting the end of a list. You know
that as well as I do.
st regarding PMMail before the end of the month. With
that said I distinctly remember having the main window in a different folder
than a reading window and being able to read up/down in that window until I
hit the ends like normal.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:53:08 PM, Kenneth wrote:
> Okay, Steve, what was your argument against selective quoting (ie. the
> F4 function)?
Sent to you before you even asked this question. ;)
> argument on this list seems to be
most likely in the cache.
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GUI
modification sufficient without getting into the feaperism of a multitude of
checkboxes.
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t 2 years is that close
to a program that has 15-20 releases in same time-frame RITLABS really needs
to sit down and consider what they are doing wrong that they are /still/
playing catchup to PMMail.
For me it is obvious: Quirks.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:38:05 PM, Curtis wrote:
KP>> Found this. Why would one select text and *not* want this to happen by
KP>> default? Why the special keystroke?
> Ask Steve Lamb about this. He was the main voice of rea
evented the ability to have a
default for the folders and still be able to set each individual folder as
needed /after/ the defaults applied.
> Already does... Make sure the Use account default settings option is
> off for that folder when you create it.
And then have to reset everything by
ext. That is bad form, Steve. I
> wasn't talking about Del up/down. Neither is this part of the thread.
> I give up!
Uhm, Marck, get off your high dead horse and read the thread again. In
case you missed it this portion stemmed off where I said TB!'s behavior was
wrong compared
in the game. An exploitable bug.
Same premise here. Del/up should /NOT/ display the message below it and
the same for del/down displaying the message above it. Just because you have
found use for it doesn't make it any less a bug.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 1:58:45 PM, Curtis wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:27:36 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>>> the weasel with me. Why deviate the discussion and bring the above
>>> bug into the picture. Of course that'
ext in an email
client's read window would only be used for a reply is simply not true. First
and foremost marked text is, in general, used for a variety of things.
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t; I would also venture to suggest that, with limited screen real estate
> (which I know Steve doesn't suffer)
You'd be surprised as to how I've used TB! and PMMail and in what
resolutions. Quite frankly, on small screens, like a laptops, I use Mutt
which is a far
ading the next message from the
> folder it was originally associated with. I'd prefer to have several
> reader windows each navigating different folders.
Not true.
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nd of the list a bug?
You just said it was a bug.
> PMMail, which makes automatic closure of the window inappropriate and
> presumptuous..
No, leaving it there leads to confusion, is contrary to the expected and
requested behavior, and is therefore a BUG.
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re should be operating.
Right. "Delete and move up" brings up the message /below/ the one listed.
What part of that doesn't conform to the above definition? None of it. It is
a /bug/ even by your very own definition.
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t; deleting and
showing the message from above. Those are exact opposite of what was
requested. Usually when something like that happens, it is called a bug, no?
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Ungh. If I wanted to read like that I'd switch to Pine or Mutt and be
done with it. Total lack of any indication of where new mail is? Nasty,
nasty, nasty.
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d bugs in the software, I do not.
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e is quite handy. I know my regex could use a LOT of tuning.
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tays there and they needed to add a kludgy
function to get around that shortcoming.
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fore. Esp. when it comes to complex search and
replace operations or parsing, well, regular expressions in language which are
not easily parsed by simpler functions in computer languages. An example, the
above one in fact, are dice codes for RPGs. :)
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ever used alt-tab to switch between
applications is in Asheron's Call when I want to look at the where I am in
ACTracker. That is because AC is a full screen application. Aside from that
it is a useless key, IMHO.
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there is a quick
way to test, send yourself a message with the string that should be matched
and find out. :)
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 6:05:02 AM, Nick wrote:
> In Reference to "Too many windows" From Steve Lamb:
S>> Mainly because there is a utility out there that groups like
S>> windows together under a single start bar button
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 5:45:48 AM, Oliver wrote:
>grep aol file >> die.scum
Ah, very correct.
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 12:17:41 AM, Leif wrote:
> Multiple Document Interface. It's nice (IMHO-- Steve and I already
> covered this ground ) for things like Opera and Frontpage, but
> stinks for e-mail.
BTW, we should go
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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 12:35:08 AM, Jamie wrote:
> Grep.com was supplied free with all versions of Borland C and C++ as well
> as Pascal from version 3 onwards .
I'm not sure it has the same options, however.
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