On Thursday, September 21, 2000, 2:16:21 PM, A. wrote:
ML What can you do? Forbidding them to use proportional fonts in
ML TB won't stop them.
My fixed width font advocacy is not confined to TB! but
encompasses all discourse in plain text based messaging. It's a
good standard to follow. It
On Friday, September 22, 2000, 11:57:41 AM, Marck wrote:
Being "different" is no sin. We all agree that proportionality
has its' place. That spot is not available in V1. The
programmers have seen this gripe from, oh, I'd guess at
around 99.95% of *all* new users. Seriously!
On Thursday, September 21, 2000, 11:39:22 PM, Thomas wrote:
Good. I will believe you. However, our sys-ad is of the opinion
that M$ is great, and OE the best email client ever written. He
says the monolithic approach of M$ is the most phantastic thing,
and M$'s success shows that they're
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 06:56:03 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:
ML I tip my hat to you. I'm afraid, however, you're fighting an
ML impossible battle. Just as mouse, GUI, multimedia on web sites,
ML proportional font is here to stay, whether we like it or not.
Hi Ming-Li,
On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:30:22 -0700GMT (22/09/2000, 01:30 +0800GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:
ML Yes, it's a problem, but it has little effect on my argument.
Oh? It is my main point.
ML What
ML these people need is a little lesson about why they shouldn't make
ML such tables with
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Hi Graham,
On 22 September 2000 at 19:19:26 GMT +0100 (which was 19:19 where I
live) Graham wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)":
G As a responsible adult, I WANT to use
On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 2:41:39 AM, Thomas wrote:
How about this:
A/L +45+100 +500 +1,000.-kg
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SQ 4.503.50 3.20 O/R
TG 3.20 3.00
LH 3.80 3.60
This is an example of airline cargo
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:30:22 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:
ML Ok, so some people never learn.
Or they can forget. It can be a simple oversight.
ML What can you do? Forbidding them to use proportional fonts in TB
ML won't stop them.
My fixed width font
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Wednesday, September 20, 2000, Ming-Li wrote to A. Curtis Martin on TBUDL about
Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat):
ML since there's no "proportional fonts only" editor/email clients.
Wrong here. There are lots of text mode mail
Hello Graham,
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:36:46 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 9:36:46 AM (GMT+0700)
my local time, Graham wrote:
Precisely the point I've been making. I don't use Unix and never
have done. We Windows people like to see a Windows-type editor,
Hello Avenarius,
Responding to your article on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 at 02:56:47
GMT +0200 (which was 20/09/2000 7:56 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :
A By the way, where does one download the the_bat.hlp file? It wasn't
A included in the executable package when I downloaded it... nor in the
Why? There are so many (mainstream) programs that will fulfill your
Windows-type editor dream.. Please don't try to push TB! into the
mainstream :)
agreed ...
using proportional creates lots of problems. i regularly send/receive mails with
screenshots (from mainframe applications using HP
Hi Arjan,
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:58:41 +0200GMT (20/09/2000, 15:58 +0800GMT),
Arjan Vergeer wrote:
The Bat is a powerful program but it needs a GUI to bring it into the
mainstream of Windows programs.
AV Why? There are so many (mainstream) programs that will fulfill your
AV Windows-type
Hi Ming-Li,
On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:03:26 -0700GMT (20/09/2000, 07:03 +0800GMT),
Ming-Li wrote:
*--*
* Try looking at this block of text with a *
* proportional font and tell me what it looks like *
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Thomas wrote:
I agree. We don't want to be mainstream, as this would kill TB.
Mainstream programs are free by the dozen. What we want is an
excellent program. :-)
The Bat! is an excellent program with lots of powerful functions. It
needs to
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Rob wrote:
using proportional creates lots of problems. i regularly send/receive mails with
screenshots (from mainframe applications using HP or DEC terminal emulation)
like this :
Interface Description Definition Direction
Hi Graham,
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:31:24 +0100GMT (20/09/2000, 18:31 +0800GMT),
Graham wrote:
G when I sit down at my PC, I want a program that both looks and
G feels comfortable. I didn't grow up in a Unix environment, but a
G Windows environment; I'm almost 60 years of age and don't like the
G
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Hi Graham,
On 20 September 2000 at 11:38:55 GMT +0100 (which was 11:38 where I
live) Graham wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)":
Interface Description Definition
Hi Graham,
On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:38:55 +0100GMT (20/09/2000, 18:38 +0800GMT),
Graham wrote:
G I'm reading the above using Becky, and using proportional fonts. I can
G understand it quite easily. And if I can't I just select a mono font
G for the block. What's the problem?
Exactly: no
I'm reading the above using Becky, and using proportional fonts.
...
What's the problem?
the problem is that OutLook using proportional fonts makes a mess of it ; i
never said anything about Becky ... whoever she is. ;-)
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On Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 12:01:05 AM, Oleg wrote:
ML since there's no "proportional fonts only" editor/email
ML clients.
Wrong here. There are lots of text mode mail clients. E.g.
mail clients for unix.
You mean lots of text mode mail
Hello, the Bat! list recipients,
Wednesday, September 20, 2000, Ming-Li wrote to Oleg Zalyalov on TBUDL about
Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat):
ML since there's no "proportional fonts only" editor/email
ML
Wrong here. There are
A Bat-fellow, A. Curtis Martin,
wrote on Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at 13:56:00 CET --
DL In TB, the line just gets longer than 82 characters and you have
DL to do a manual ALT-L to put the paragraph back in place.
ACM This is without auto-format enabled.
How do you enable auto-format
On 19-09-2000 at 21:56, Avenarius kindly wrote:
A. Curtis Martin wrote:
ACM This is without auto-format enabled.
How do you enable auto-format automatically? I know that within the
message it's CTRL+SHIFT+F.
You can set that in your Preferences.
Start a new message, right-click, and the
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:56:13 +0200, Avenarius wrote:
A Which one is that, Allie? Where could I find it? I think I need it,
A too. Right now I'm using Courier New Bold (not-bold is ugly) and I'd
A be willing to trade it for a better-looking one.
You
On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 3:12:16 PM, A. wrote:
ACM The only plus for using a variable width font is a purely
ACM selfish one, ie, visual appeal.
A Here I don't follow you.
It's a daring statement, yes :-); but I think it's true. Why do you use
a proportional font over a fixed width
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:03:26 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:
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ML As I've said many times, I personally like mono fonts just fine. But
ML I see no point waging a war against people who prefer proportional
ML fonts.
Waging a war? :-) LOL!
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A. Curtis
On 20-09-2000 at 01:03, Ming-Li kindly wrote:
On Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 3:12:16 PM, A. wrote:
[fixed and proportional fonts again]
How does the recipient come into the picture? Where's
the consideration for the recipient in this decision? The recipient is
not involved, hence it's
Thanks, Karin!
By the way, where does one download the the_bat.hlp file? It wasn't
included in the executable package when I downloaded it... nor in the
language pack (or the connection doesn't click on my machines). And
when I browse www.ritlabs.com/ftp/ with CuteFTP, I can't see the help
file
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