I am reading with interest the various postings having to do with TSA.
For the benefit of those who have not purchased a copy of 50 Years Of Texas
Caving, I have posted an abridged version of the TSA essay to my web site. If
you are a bit hazy as to where we came from, and how we came to be as
This is a copy of Scott McCrea's (Swaygo co owner) post on Cavechat, maybe
the TCC, TCMA or other Texas
cave organization could be interested.
*Every year, Swaygo makes a donation to a worthy caving related
organization. We are still accepting nominations for benefactors. If you
know of an organiz
sign me up
This article on LIDAR appeared in the January 17, 2008 Rocksprings
Record and Texas Mohair Weekly. The article was written by Andrew
Barnebey
On Friday night, January 4th Devils Sinkhole Society members were
treated to a demonstration of an advanced technology that the Visitors
Center will acq
Well, I didn't write it. I saw it years ago and have hung on to it.
Bill
Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> You certainly do have a way with words :)
>
> On 1/22/08, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
> > It reminds me of this:
> >
> > The Story of Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
> >
> >
On Jan 20, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Andy Grubbs wrote:
This is a reply I sent to Fritz, RD and John Brooks the other day
" If it wasnt for the organizations like NSS and TSA, American
cavers would
still be flashlight toting spelunkers, instead of the robot diving,
Lechuguilla mapping,
geomicrobiolo
Ah... the memories
For reasons lost in obscurity left behind in the early '70s, we called it
sewerhopping, something me and a couple of buddies
"invented". I can still pull manhole lids off with my
fingers (one finger in each hand goes into the little hole, tense and
lift). We started in the pi
You certainly do have a way with words :)
On 1/22/08, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote:
> It reminds me of this:
>
> The Story of Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
>
> There were four people named EVERYBODY, SOMEBODY, ANYBODY, and NOBODY. If
> there was an important job to be done, EVERYBOD
At Refdesk.com
word of the day
spelunker
Definition: (noun) One who explores caves chiefly as a hobby; a caver.
Synonyms: potholer, spelaeologist, speleologist
Usage: The spelunkers were lost in the cave and worried that their
minimal rations, two granola bars and a bag of salted pea
It reminds me of this:
The Story of Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There were four people named EVERYBODY, SOMEBODY, ANYBODY, and NOBODY. If
there was an important job to be done, EVERYBODY was asked to do it. EVERYBODY
was sure SOMEBODY would do it. ANYBODY could have done it bu
Diane and Charles,
I don't know if you have followed the entire thread (name change and all)
but my argument has basically two components: that I and others feel that
there is not sufficient return on an individual level to justify $20
membership for the TSA; and that the situatiojn could be impro
Agreed. But I should let RD speak for himself.
On Jan 22, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
Don, this is everyone's business that caves in our area, even
non-members of TSA, because anyone who is not a member has a reason,
and their input is just as valid :)
On 1/22/08, Don Arburn wr
Don, this is everyone's business that caves in our area, even
non-members of TSA, because anyone who is not a member has a reason,
and their input is just as valid :)
On 1/22/08, Don Arburn wrote:
> We spoke at length this last weekend, yes he did state that in his
> email, and no I'm not defendi
We spoke at length this last weekend, yes he did state that in his
email, and no I'm not defending his post, but the gist of the
conversation was just what I said. I will now mind my own business.
On Jan 22, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
Actually he is, re-read his last sentenc
Actually he is, re-read his last sentence. He does not spell out what
change, just that he and others want change.
Charles
On 1/22/08, Don Arburn wrote:
> I don't believe he is looking to effect change. I believe he is
> looking for a reason for the TSA to exist, other than it giving us the
> C
FYI from Bill Bentley, email problems...
-- Forwarded message --
The January 2008 issue "Volume 23 # 1" of the Permian Basin
Speleological Society's "The Hole News" is now on the web in Adobe PDF
format.
It can be found at the URL listed below:
http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews
The January 2008 issue "Volume 23 # 1" of the Permian Basin Speleological
Society's "The Hole News" is now on the web in Adobe PDF format.
It can be found at the URL listed below:
http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews/pbss1-08.pdf
And as always more exciting years of back issues can be found at th
I don't believe he is looking to effect change. I believe he is
looking for a reason for the TSA to exist, other than it giving us the
Caver.
On Jan 22, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Diana Tomchick wrote:
Hey RD,
If you want to effect change in the TSA, why don't you volunteer for
a position in the
Hey RD,
If you want to effect change in the TSA, why don't you volunteer for
a position in the organization and/or volunteer to run for a TSA
office for next year?
Diana
On Jan 22, 2008, at 5:03 PM, RD Milhollin wrote:
Again Fritz,
I am not bashing anyone or any organization, just passi
RD,
I thought that this string had died but apparently not. It will take me
a few days to find the time to respond to your post, as it did you to
mine. Mine will not be as comprehensive or as well thought out as yours
but I will give it a shot, whether it is my best or not. I am a little
slow and
Again Fritz,
I am not bashing anyone or any organization, just passing along my own views
on the question of the cost/benefits of TSA membership.
So, again, the "enjoyment of camaraderie with others at TCR" and "various
caving activities" is not tied to TSA membership. The Spring Convention is.
Caver trying to contact other caver.
[I hope that is an acceptable use of cavetex...]
My number is 590-0467 - so if he gets this message he can skip a step and
call me direct.
Actually that'd be better because I'm about to be off the world wide web
until tomorrow.
-WaV
Again Fritz,
I am not bashing anyone or any organization, just passing along my own views
on the question of the cost/benefits of TSA membership.
So, again, the "enjoyment of camaraderie with others at TCR" and "various
caving activities" is not tied to TSA membership. The Spring Convention is.
The 2009 Ford Escape and Mercury Mariner will gain .2 liters of engine
displacement ( meaning more power ), yet be more fuel efficient.
( possibly getting 1 mpg better )
I think this is because they are replacing the 4 speed automatic transmission
with a 6-speed automatic.
---
Don Cash said:
>I was hoping to get the word out to cavers and climbers about this show.
>Any chance you can help us get the info out. Any other groups I can
>promote this to?
Absolutely! Enter it in the NSS Video Salon!
At a minimum, that will get it shown to a thousand or so cavers attendin
That reminds me of my first "wild caving" experiences. Shreveport Louisiana
is pretty far from any natural caves - but as a kid, me and my friends used
to go exploring in underground storm water runoff conduits. Between open
sections of concrete ditches, some tunnels would go for hundreds of feet
Tunnel vision is costing lives
By Kara Lawrence
January 22, 2008 06:00am
Article from: (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/)
WHEN it rains, no drains. That is rule No.1 in the "art" of drain-exploring
as outlined in the manifesto of Michael Carlton, aka Predator.
It is a short, sna
Ok - and now I will attempt to post the TV station and schedule information:
(It got bounced earlier 'cause there was so much embedded data in all
that 'useless' HTML crap...)
---
By request of Geary:
*This is to give folks a heads up that Texas Parks and Wildlife Television
did a short program on the Texas Cave Management Association's LIDAR project
at the Devils Sinkhole. The project is still going on and is scheduled for
completion in May of this year. The work has bee
Who said I wasn't a biker. I used to have a Honda 350 in collage until
I decided to sell it to buy a wet suit and I was afraid I was going to
end up a liver donor.
Remember, never ride any faster than you're willing to jump off.
Geary
-Original Message-
From: Fritz Holt [mailto
At 12:54 PM 1/22/2008, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
BMC = Big Mutha Caverns
BMC is the kind of cave that everybody should see but that no one
should visit.
Part of it is just a big, ugly entrance room at the bottom of a
nuisance entrance drop. But beyond a tight keyhole busted through
some
- Original Message -
Subject: tpwd tv
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:26:36
From: Don Cash
To:
John,
I’ve
produced a segment for the Texas Parks & Wildlife television show on the LiDAR
laser mapping project at the Devil’s Sinkhole State Natural Area. The show
airs on the Te
It is fortunate that every single living thing will die or we might have
a slight overcrowding problem.
Geezer wisdom?
_
From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:46 AM
To: Bill Bentley
Cc: o...@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [ot_caving] health fo
PS
Were all of you on bikes? I didn't picture Geary as a rider.
Fritz
_
From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:38 AM
To: David Locklear
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] the Lidar project
I'll attempt to redistribute a newspape
Not much goes on in the Rock Springs area other than ranching and
hunting so anything to do with the Sinkhole or local triflings makes the
news.
Fritz
_
From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:38 AM
To: David Locklear
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject:
(Drum roll please).
BMC = Big Mutha Caverns
To quote Travis Scott, "Its a pretty cave near Carta Valley that is
pretty much closed to any traffic. There are a few pictures in the
Caves of Carta Valley, a map, etc.."
I can now sleep at night!
Mark
Ok, enlightened one - spread the word. Now you got some of the rest of us
wondering too.
I thought it might have been a misspelling of NBC (natural bridge caverns)..
-WaV
On 1/22/08, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote:
>
>
> Thanks to all who have responded (Travis and Fritz).
>
> I am now "enlightene
There are no caves to speak of in Arizona
especially on land owned
by the Black Mountain Conservancy ( BMC ).
http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2005/2005-06/050608/imagesedition/other-1.jpg
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Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...
Thanks to all who have responded (Travis and Fritz).
I am now "enlightened"!
Mark
From: Alman, Mark @ IRP
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:27 AM
To: 'Don Cooper'; John P. Brooks
Cc: bmorgan...@aol.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texasca
It is true.
Unfortunately every single living thing has died or will die.
But rather than worrying so much about what you're putting in your mouth -
try putting more stuff under your feet!
Exercise is known to be a far better means of keeping yourself in shape than
the selective ingestion of substa
DON'T do this if you're in a quiet environment and the computer in the
equation has speakers
-WaV
On 1/21/08, Bill Bentley wrote:
>
> http://www.caver.net/reboot.html
>
> Hey are you bored?
> Want to create some havock?
> Piss off your geek friends by rebooting the interenet...
>
>
>
>
>
> -
I'll attempt to redistribute a newspaper article picked up by Geary S. on
the way back from Pumpkin/Deep this past weekend. I'll also try to see if I
can get it on the screen at the next grotto meeting.
It was strangely serendipitous - Geary, Rob Bisset, and Jon Cradit (my ride
- David Crusoe w/u
For the life of me, I can't figure out what "BMC" is.
Can someone enlighten me?
A curious Mark
On 1/19/08, John P. Brooks wrote:
"I've done some caving in Texas but was not much
impressed by the caves. "
Well... that means there's more caves for you & me... |:-)
Lookatid thisaway - if you don't like Texas caves, you sure don't have to
use 'em.
As it is, there are caves that havent been found yet and those that have
been discovered have not all been surveyed.
I just got to see a couple this past wee
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