[Texascavers] The December 2009 Issue of the Hole News

2009-12-18 Thread Bill Bentley
Greetings, The December 2009 issue "Volume 24 # 12" of the Permian Basin Speleological Society's "The Hole News" is now on the web in Adobe PDF format. This exciting issue can be found at the URL listed below: http://www.caver.net/pbss/holenews/pbss1209.pdf And as always one can relive the past

Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

2009-12-18 Thread Robert Tait
I use a service, that back up my hard drive over the internet. The one I use is http://mozy.com/, but there are several out there. Costs me less than $100 to have a frequently updated image of my laptop hard drive (automatic, transparent, and encrypted). I would not call this archival, per se,

Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

2009-12-18 Thread mark gee
You can send me your Trade Dollar coins and I can exchange them for cash money. Two at a time please. Happy Caving! --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Gill Edigar wrote: From: Gill Edigar Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question To: "Stefan Creaser" Cc: "Cavers Texas" List-Post: texascaver

Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

2009-12-18 Thread Gill Edigar
You can use dollar coins if you wish. --Ediger On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote: > Can you pay with PayPal or does one have to use paper money? ;-) > > > > *From:* mark gee [mailto:markageetxca...@yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Friday, December 18, 2009 4:07 PM > *To:* Gill Edigar; Ca

RE: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

2009-12-18 Thread mark gee
For you just one bill with a 5 in each corner. --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Stefan Creaser wrote: From: Stefan Creaser Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question To: "Cavers Texas" List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 4:09 PM Can you pay with P

RE: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

2009-12-18 Thread Stefan Creaser
Can you pay with PayPal or does one have to use paper money? ;-) From: mark gee [mailto:markageetxca...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 4:07 PM To: Gill Edigar; Cavers Texas; Mark Alman Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question Its two Dollars --- On Wed, 12/16/09

RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?

2009-12-18 Thread Louise Power
Mine stays turned off and tucked away in my purse (just in case I need it on the road). I vowed when I got rid of my house phone about ten years ago and got a cell phone, that it would be for my convenience only. If people can find my number, they can call me and leave a message (I generally ch

Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question

2009-12-18 Thread mark gee
Its two Dollars --- On Wed, 12/16/09, Mark Alman wrote: From: Mark Alman Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA project curious question To: "Gill Edigar" , "Cavers Texas" List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 7:32 PM For you, Lyndon, it's $20!   8^)>     Ma

Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

2009-12-18 Thread Preston Forsythe
A few years ago I visited the American Mountaineering Club in Golden, CO. Spent some time in the archival library. Climate, humidity and fire control are very important for long term preservation of our important work. There is indeed an art and science to archives, and the librarian there would

texascavers Digest 18 Dec 2009 21:11:26 -0000 Issue 928

2009-12-18 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 18 Dec 2009 21:11:26 - Issue 928 Topics (messages 13101 through 13112): More Detail on the Sloans Valley Cave Death 13101 by: Preston Forsythe Re: archiving your cave data 13102 by: Glen Goldsmith 13106 by: John Greer 13107 by: Clover Clamo

Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

2009-12-18 Thread John P Brooks
I have kept paper copies of the Texas Caver around for over 30 yearsthere hasn't been any degradation, other folded corners or slight yellowing of the paperand I haven't had to make new copies every 10 years or so..and unlike digital copies which may, by the admissions below, not be

Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

2009-12-18 Thread Glen Goldsmith
My cd's were in a cd case, with about 100 others. It stayed zipped up in my about 98% of the time. That's a good article, I read it then but then, haven't ordered any. On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Louise Power wrote: > Clover, > > Has she said anything about the gold archival CDs and DVDs

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?

2009-12-18 Thread caverarch
In my case, the phone was clipped on my belt. But the belt proved not to be thick enough to keep the phone from sliding down it and you know the rest. Roger -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick To: Geary Schindel Cc: cavera...@aol.com ; donarb...@mac.com ; texascavers@texascave

RE: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

2009-12-18 Thread Louise Power
Clover, Has she said anything about the gold archival CDs and DVDs? There's an interesting article on choosing archival media (written in 06, but with updates) at http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media Louise List-Post: texascavers@texasca

RE: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

2009-12-18 Thread Clover Clamons
My sister in-law is an archival librarian with the State library in Austin. She was just railing on CDs & DVDs and how "archivally poor" they are for permanent data storage, even when kept in the most pristine "air & light tight" conditions in an archival library. She and the state library still

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can plumbers be trusted with cell phones?

2009-12-18 Thread Diana Tomchick
Our plumber Marty has a plumbing business with his two sons. One day we were having a problem with our connection to the Irving City Sewer system (tree roots had invaded the line, which we eventually replaced) and Marty was bent over the open connection to our sewer line, preparing to run a

Fw: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

2009-12-18 Thread John Greer
For those interested, we burned data onto a "permanent" DVD for a friend a year ago. They left it open in the office under florescent lights. It is now defunct. Apparently everybody but us knew that florescent lights destroy CD/DVDs. John - Original Message - From: Glen Goldsmith To:

[Texascavers] life of CD-R

2009-12-18 Thread Mixon Bill
My info that CD-R and DVD-R will "outlast the technology" comes from http://www.itl.nist.gov/iad/894.05/papers/CDandDVDCareandHandlingGuide.pdf published by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the Council on Library and Information Resources as a care and handling guide fo

RE: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?

2009-12-18 Thread Geary Schindel
Yes, Also storing things in your shirt pockets around open water wells creates certain opportunities you don't want to deal with. Geary From: cavera...@aol.com [mailto:cavera...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:51 AM To: donarb...@mac.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be trusted with email addresses?

2009-12-18 Thread caverarch
Don, I can't imagine reading The Caver on my iPhone. Dangerous, anyway, in the vicinity of a toilet! I lost a Motorola Flip-Phone that way, Roger -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Cc: texascavers Texas Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: Can TSA be tru

Re: [Texascavers] Re: archiving your cave data

2009-12-18 Thread Glen Goldsmith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-R#Expected_lifespan In short, Mixon is right - you'll have to copy the contents of a CD-R/DVD-R pretty often. More so than 20 years though. I've read an article, can't remember where - that said a CD-R that could last 10 years was pretty good. Organizing cd/dvd's

[Texascavers] More Detail on the Sloans Valley Cave Death

2009-12-18 Thread Preston Forsythe
Three young men entered the Garbage Pit entrance to Sloans Valley Cave, Pulaski County, south eastern KY. Each had one flashlight. They did not have helmets or gloves. They were wearing tennis shoes. The party proceeded about 1000 ft. into the cave. At that point the victim attempted a difficult

texascavers Digest 18 Dec 2009 14:34:05 -0000 Issue 927

2009-12-18 Thread texascavers-digest-help
texascavers Digest 18 Dec 2009 14:34:05 - Issue 927 Topics (messages 13085 through 13100): Re: Can TSA be trusted with email addresses? 13085 by: Chris Vreeland 13087 by: Don Arburn 13092 by: Rod Goke Re: Why join TSA? 13086 by: Gill Edigar 13089 by:

Re: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?

2009-12-18 Thread Gill Edigar
Now that's the sort of reasons I'm looking for, Bill, thanks. And thanks for taking this survey seriously. --Ediger On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:29 AM, wrote: > I'll keep it short. I'm a TSA member because: > > * Caving is a life-long interest of mine, so I support my statewide > organization > * I

Re: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?

2009-12-18 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On 12/18/2009 8:24 AM, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: And by God, you better do what Lyndon tells you to do! 8^)> He has that special kind of power that TSA needs! (Now you know why Allan has Lyndon working Registration at TCR and Lyndon has volunteered to run it at the Spring Convention). Yes,

RE: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?

2009-12-18 Thread Mark . Alman
And by God, you better do what Lyndon tells you to do! 8^)> He has that special kind of power that TSA needs! (Now you know why Allan has Lyndon working Registration at TCR and Lyndon has volunteered to run it at the Spring Convention). Merry Christmas, Lyndon! Mark _

Re: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?

2009-12-18 Thread Lyndon Tiu
On 12/18/2009 8:21 AM, ellie :) wrote: I joined the TSA because Lyndon told me to That's the single most important reason to join the TSA. Case closed. -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe

Re: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?

2009-12-18 Thread ellie :)
Would you consider increasing your pledge to $1000? That amount carries a little more weight. I joined the TSA because Lyndon told me to at TCR registration last year. I had only been caving one month and joined w/out even knowing the Texas Caver was included in the price. I stay in TSA because its

RE: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?

2009-12-18 Thread Mark . Alman
Thanks, Bill, for your long time membership, service, and support! Thanks, too, for mentioning the Honey Creek refurbish. I had forgotten about that. Have a safe trip to Mexico and Feliz Navidad! Mark From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com [mailto:speleoste

Re: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?

2009-12-18 Thread speleosteele
I'll keep it short. I'm a TSA member because: * Caving is a life-long interest of mine, so I support my statewide organization * I am a member of the NSS, and the TSA is a region of the NSS * I like it that funds are available through the TSA for worthwhile projects such as: - Punkin and Deep

Re: Re: [Texascavers] Why join TSA?

2009-12-18 Thread tbsamsel
Gill's messages are hardly long. Archimedes Plutonium & Serd$r Arg!c used to send long messages.   TDec 17, 2009 08:37:18 PM, diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: Better yet--if I volunteer to pay your dues, Gill, will you just join the TSA and stop writing really long email messages that cl