[SWR] Fwd: Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

2014-05-13 Thread Carl Pagano
A llitle levity (the best I could come up with at a late hour-early apologies for this) Roughly-best sung to a popular Beatles song only in the company of those you trust> Someone hada cup o' tea, and they went into a cave, didn't clean their boots and a biologist began to rave, (didn't clean t

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

2014-05-13 Thread jen .
Yep. But, that is the only huge example I know of. The point has recently been made to me, that if the method of testing for the OK bat gave an error, it is now unclear how accurate any of the data on the spread from those years can be. The rumors of "suspicious jumps" are now even harder

[Texascavers] an expensive book

2014-05-13 Thread David
Here is a book-seller claiming to have a hard-bound copy of the 1948 Caves of Texas by the NSS ( Bulletin # 10 ) http://pictures.abebooks.com/WISTEBOOKS/12094149402.jpg He is asking only $ 245. Ref. http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=12094149402&searchurl=bsi%3D0%26amp%3Bds%3D30%2

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

2014-05-13 Thread Lee H. Skinner
Mark, I have pointed this out before, but it bears repeating. Humans _must_ not be a very good vector for transmitting WNS because the NSS Convention was held in Indiana in 2007, the year after WNS appeared in the Northeast. No one was doing decon then, and there were surely cavers fr

[Texascavers] Nigerian caves

2014-05-13 Thread Mixon Bill
I'm no expert, either, but the second edition of "Atlas of the Great Caves and Karst of Africa," volume 2, doesn't suggest that there are many real caves in Nigeria. It lists one sandstone cave 350 m long (probably the one already mentioned), and that's the longest cave. No limestone caves

[SWR] GS7 at El Malpais

2014-05-13 Thread jen .
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Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria

2014-05-13 Thread Gill Edigar
Purely speculative but there are thousands of domiciles mined (dug) out of mostly soft sandstone cliffs and spires all over northern Africa. Some are underground and some are extensive. The people that live in them were called Troglodytes long before cavers appeared on the scene. I suspect one must

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

2014-05-13 Thread Mark Minton
I have pointed this out before, but it bears repeating. Humans _must_ not be a very good vector for transmitting WNS because the NSS Convention was held in Indiana in 2007, the year after WNS appeared in the Northeast. No one was doing decon then, and there were surely cavers from affec

Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria

2014-05-13 Thread Mark Minton
Actually, that cave is in Anambra state, which is where the sandstone caves are located. The description in "The Underground Atlas" even mentioned large chambers, lakes and running water. Sounds like they did commercialize one of those sandstone caves. Mark At 02:40 PM 5/13/2014, Will

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

2014-05-13 Thread Clifton Colwell
did anyone ever feel accommodated and welcomed by the forest, blm, etc? or am i only the one that felt merely tolerated? I know occasionally there would be research or mapping and times they would use us. but in a lot of areas it was just a nuisance for the authorities (rescuing spelunkers, pe

[Texascavers] Fwd: [SWR] Recruitment help - Term GS-7 Cave Management Specialist

2014-05-13 Thread Diana Tomchick
From: Blake Jordan mailto:blandev...@gmail.com>> Subject: [SWR] Fwd: Recruitment help - Term GS-7 Cave Management Specialist Date: May 13, 2014 1:48:23 PM CDT To: New Mexico Cavers mailto:s...@caver.net>>, "Internal Communications of the Sandia Grotto" mailto:sandiagro...@caver.net>> Sent fro

[SWR] Fwd: Recruitment help - Term GS-7 Cave Management Specialist

2014-05-13 Thread Blake Jordan
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Hays, David" > Date: May 13, 2014 at 9:47:12 AM MDT > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: Recruitment help - Term GS-7 Cave Management Specialist > > > Cave & Geology Folks, > > Will you share this job announcement far-and-wide? I wa

Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria

2014-05-13 Thread William Tucker
If articles on Wikipedia can be used as some type of statistical sampling, for whatever it is worth (not much): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Caves_of_Nigeria The only cave listed is a show cave in the southeast. As typical of cave articles outside of the west, little or no mention of

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

2014-05-13 Thread Ken Harrington
Michael, While I whole heartedly agree with what you are saying I also believe strongly that the various agencies don't give a rats ass what cavers think or say. They are not going to be swayed by logic, reason or evidence that does not conform to their preconceived ideas. Ken Life isn't

RE: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria

2014-05-13 Thread George Veni
NCKRI is part of a team working on a new and massively updated World Karst Map. I just looked at the draft map and it doesn't show any karst in Nigeria. However, there are some sedimentary units that are mostly sandstone, shale, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some limestone mixed in th

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

2014-05-13 Thread michael queen
I have a hard time seeing humans as a significant vector in the spread of WNS, and have seen no evidence that supports this as a reality, not just a possibility. This includes the initial jump across the Atlantic. If humans are a minor factor in the spread then we may expect the disease to run its

[Texascavers] 2014 TSA Spring Convention Visual Arts Salon Awards

2014-05-13 Thread R D Milhollin
At this year's TSA Spring Convention Visual Arts Salon there were many extraordinary entries in the categories of cartography, photography, and fine arts.  In the cartography division there were 8 entries by Texas cavers Dale Barnard, Marvin Miller, David Ochel, Will Quast, and Peter Sprouse. D

[Texascavers] Alamo Cement

2014-05-13 Thread Bennett Lee
Does anyone have contacts at Alamo Cement? I'm trying to access a cave on some old Alamo Cement property in San Antonio. Contact me off list. Thanks! --Bennett

Re: [Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria

2014-05-13 Thread Mark Minton
I'm certainly no expert, but Middleton & Waltham, "The Underground Atlas" (1986) says that Nigeria has little surface limestone and no major karst features. However it also says that there are some extensive caves in sandstone. Some are apparently large enough that they were being consi

RE: [Texascavers] RE: Caves near Columbia, TN

2014-05-13 Thread Geary Schindel
Gerald Moni is keeper of the Tennessee Cave Survey data and lives in Nashville and is familiar with the area and the caves around Columbia. He is in the NSS members manual. Geary From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:cavercr...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:20 AM To: kwstaff...@juno.com; texasca

[Texascavers] RE: Caves near Columbia, TN

2014-05-13 Thread Jim Kennedy
I know a lot of cavers in the Nashville area. Try Philip Rykwalder as a start. -- Crash From: kwstaff...@juno.com [mailto:kwstaff...@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 8:13 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Caves near Columbia, TN Can anyone recommend a good

[Texascavers] Caves near Columbia, TN

2014-05-13 Thread kwstafford
Can anyone recommend a good contact person for caves near Columbia, TN (approximately 40 miles south / southeast of Nashville)? I have a new graduate student with family land on the Duck River than has a cave on it. He is wanting to make this cave the focus of his thesis and I am trying to find

[Texascavers] Caves of Nigeria

2014-05-13 Thread Preston Forsythe
Last night on the PBS NewsHour there was an in-depth interview on the kidnapped girls in Nigeria. They are suspected of being hidden in "endless caves" in the mountains along the border. Are there any Nigeria cave experts out there? Preston in KY ---

Re: [SWR] Oklahoma removed from list of suspected bat fungus areas

2014-05-13 Thread Peter Jones
>> Humans have carried fungal spores across the entire planet and probably into >> space, so we should also take some responsibility for this catastrophe. >> > Humans have been responsible for a number of serious threats to wildlife. > Sometimes inadvertent, and other times purposeful, but I t