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<colorado_gro...@yahoogroups.com>; TIMPANOGOSgrotto
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Cc: Southern_Nevada_Grotto <southern_nevada_gro...@yahoogroups.com>; NNVGrotto
<nnvgro...@yahoogroups.com&
Bad news for bats: the fungus that causes white-nose
syndrome persists in caves even in the absence of bats as
hosts:
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-bat-fungus-20131101,0,4407067.story#axzz2jVrXaAFH.
Mark
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address
to use
the cave, the most significant of which is the Fringed (thysanodes) and some
velifer that I mentioned.
William
-Original Message-
From: Jim Evatt
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:09 PM
To: William Tucker ; s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
There may
to use
the cave, the most significant of which is the Fringed (thysanodes) and some
velifer that I mentioned.
William
-Original Message-
From: Jim Evatt
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:09 PM
To: William Tucker ; s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
There may
to use
the cave, the most significant of which is the Fringed (thysanodes) and some
velifer that I mentioned.
William
-Original Message-
From: Jim Evatt
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 6:09 PM
To: William Tucker ; s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
There may
Really. That last statement puzzled me. What cave are they talking about?
Peter
Quoting Kenneth Ingham ing...@i-pi.com:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA224
I cannot figure how they got their last paragraph (the one Jen
complained about) from anything anybody said at the meeting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA224
Their last paragraph reads:
Experts said white-nose syndrome has hurt cave in the East
that use bats as tourist attractions. They said it could
have a similar effect on Carlsbad Caverns if the disease
reaches New Mexico.
It sounds
The more I stare at that paragraph, the more I think it's a general
statement about show caves. I've heard owners of some of them
complain about the bad publicity over cave closures and the public
thinking they are closed, calling the cave and asking if they're open,
or worse, calling the
of
federal revenue from keeping CACa open, it is more a political issue than a
biological disaster prevention issue.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: wnsliai...@caves.org
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:26 AM
To: Kenneth Ingham
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
, please send them to me,
I'm collecting them.
thanks
Jen.
From: nmca...@comcast.net
To: wnsliai...@caves.org; ing...@i-pi.com
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:34:37 -0700
CC: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
It is my understanding that there used to be, perhaps still
; Kenneth Ingham
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
It is my understanding that there used to be, perhaps still is, a small
hibernating colony in Carlsbad Cavern. Species I'm not sure of, but numbers
ranged from 150 to under 300. Enough of them (30) to qualify
instance, a nursery colony exists in one Guad cave while the same bats
hibernate in another one.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: William Tucker
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:33 PM
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
There is a colony of Fringed Myotis
Really. That last statement puzzled me. What cave are they talking about?
Peter
Quoting Kenneth Ingham ing...@i-pi.com:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA224
I cannot figure how they got their last paragraph (the one Jen
complained about) from anything anybody said at the meeting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA224
Their last paragraph reads:
Experts said white-nose syndrome has hurt cave in the East
that use bats as tourist attractions. They said it could
have a similar effect on Carlsbad Caverns if the disease
reaches New Mexico.
It sounds
The more I stare at that paragraph, the more I think it's a general
statement about show caves. I've heard owners of some of them
complain about the bad publicity over cave closures and the public
thinking they are closed, calling the cave and asking if they're open,
or worse, calling the
of
federal revenue from keeping CACa open, it is more a political issue than a
biological disaster prevention issue.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: wnsliai...@caves.org
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:26 AM
To: Kenneth Ingham
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
, please send them to me,
I'm collecting them.
thanks
Jen.
From: nmca...@comcast.net
To: wnsliai...@caves.org; ing...@i-pi.com
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:34:37 -0700
CC: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
It is my understanding that there used to be, perhaps still
; Kenneth Ingham
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
It is my understanding that there used to be, perhaps still is, a small
hibernating colony in Carlsbad Cavern. Species I'm not sure of, but numbers
ranged from 150 to under 300. Enough of them (30) to qualify
instance, a nursery colony exists in one Guad cave while the same bats
hibernate in another one.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: William Tucker
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:33 PM
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
There is a colony of Fringed Myotis
Really. That last statement puzzled me. What cave are they talking about?
Peter
Quoting Kenneth Ingham ing...@i-pi.com:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA224
I cannot figure how they got their last paragraph (the one Jen
complained about) from anything anybody said at the meeting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA224
Their last paragraph reads:
Experts said white-nose syndrome has hurt cave in the East
that use bats as tourist attractions. They said it could
have a similar effect on Carlsbad Caverns if the disease
reaches New Mexico.
It sounds
The more I stare at that paragraph, the more I think it's a general
statement about show caves. I've heard owners of some of them
complain about the bad publicity over cave closures and the public
thinking they are closed, calling the cave and asking if they're open,
or worse, calling the
of
federal revenue from keeping CACa open, it is more a political issue than a
biological disaster prevention issue.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: wnsliai...@caves.org
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:26 AM
To: Kenneth Ingham
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
, please send them to me,
I'm collecting them.
thanks
Jen.
From: nmca...@comcast.net
To: wnsliai...@caves.org; ing...@i-pi.com
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:34:37 -0700
CC: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
It is my understanding that there used to be, perhaps still
; Kenneth Ingham
Cc: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
It is my understanding that there used to be, perhaps still is, a small
hibernating colony in Carlsbad Cavern. Species I'm not sure of, but numbers
ranged from 150 to under 300. Enough of them (30) to qualify
instance, a nursery colony exists in one Guad cave while the same bats
hibernate in another one.
Jim
-Original Message-
From: William Tucker
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2013 12:33 PM
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
There is a colony of Fringed Myotis
KOAT (Channel 7) had a brief story about the BLM WNS meeting last night:
http://tinyurl.com/bzt9kso
Lee Skinner
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From: skin...@thuntek.net
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
KOAT (Channel 7) had a brief story about the BLM WNS meeting last
night:
http://tinyurl.com/bzt9kso
Lee Skinner
2013 09:47:14 -0700
From: skin...@thuntek.net
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
KOAT (Channel 7) had a brief story about the BLM WNS meeting last night:
http://tinyurl.com/bzt9kso
Lee Skinner
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In more ways than one in the WNS debacle, take your pick of these quotes:
The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant. - Unknown
The fewer the facts, the stranger the opinion. - Arnold H. Glascow
On 02/06/2013 9:59, jen . wrote:
ugh
Thanks Kenneth,
I wonder if this is just stock filler for the article?
Regards,
John
-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of
Kenneth Ingham
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:13 AM
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting
KOAT (Channel 7) had a brief story about the BLM WNS meeting last night:
http://tinyurl.com/bzt9kso
Lee Skinner
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:47:14 -0700
From: skin...@thuntek.net
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
KOAT (Channel 7) had a brief story about the BLM WNS meeting last
night:
http://tinyurl.com/bzt9kso
Lee Skinner
2013 09:47:14 -0700
From: skin...@thuntek.net
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
KOAT (Channel 7) had a brief story about the BLM WNS meeting last night:
http://tinyurl.com/bzt9kso
Lee Skinner
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I cannot figure how they got their last paragraph (the one Jen
complained about) from anything anybody said at the meeting last night.
I tried to leave a comment on their web page, but they only accept
comments from facebook users (I appear to be
...@thuntek.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
In more ways than one in the WNS debacle, take your pick of these quotes:
The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant. - Unknown
The fewer the facts, the stranger the opinion. - Arnold H. Glascow
On 02/06/2013 9:59, jen . wrote:
ugh
Thanks Kenneth,
I wonder if this is just stock filler for the article?
Regards,
John
-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of
Kenneth Ingham
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:13 AM
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting
KOAT (Channel 7) had a brief story about the BLM WNS meeting last night:
http://tinyurl.com/bzt9kso
Lee Skinner
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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 09:47:14 -0700
From: skin...@thuntek.net
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
KOAT (Channel 7) had a brief story about the BLM WNS meeting last
night:
http://tinyurl.com/bzt9kso
Lee Skinner
2013 09:47:14 -0700
From: skin...@thuntek.net
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
KOAT (Channel 7) had a brief story about the BLM WNS meeting last night:
http://tinyurl.com/bzt9kso
Lee Skinner
___ SWR mailing list
s...@caver.net
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA224
I cannot figure how they got their last paragraph (the one Jen
complained about) from anything anybody said at the meeting last night.
I tried to leave a comment on their web page, but they only accept
comments from facebook users (I appear to be
...@thuntek.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting in the media
In more ways than one in the WNS debacle, take your pick of these quotes:
The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant. - Unknown
The fewer the facts, the stranger the opinion. - Arnold H. Glascow
On 02/06/2013 9:59, jen . wrote:
ugh
Thanks Kenneth,
I wonder if this is just stock filler for the article?
Regards,
John
-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of
Kenneth Ingham
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:13 AM
To: s...@caver.net
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS meeting
Interesting web site showing the spread of WNS and which
species are affected and
where: http://storymaps.esri.com/stories/2012/whitenose/
Mark
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
___
Interesting web site showing the spread of WNS and which
species are affected and
where: http://storymaps.esri.com/stories/2012/whitenose/
Mark
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
___
Interesting web site showing the spread of WNS and which
species are affected and
where: http://storymaps.esri.com/stories/2012/whitenose/
Mark
Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org
___
[From Peter Youngbaer, WNS Liaison]
Hamilton County, TN
Press release:
http://caves.org/WNS/Lookout%20Mountain%20Cave%20May%201,%202012.pdf
Note that for the first time in a USFWS-partnered press release we
have some contextual information (2 bats = 18% of colony; no
mortality). We
[From Peter Youngbaer, WNS Liaison]
Hamilton County, TN
Press release:
http://caves.org/WNS/Lookout%20Mountain%20Cave%20May%201,%202012.pdf
Note that for the first time in a USFWS-partnered press release we
have some contextual information (2 bats = 18% of colony; no
mortality). We
[From Peter Youngbaer, WNS Liaison]
Hamilton County, TN
Press release:
http://caves.org/WNS/Lookout%20Mountain%20Cave%20May%201,%202012.pdf
Note that for the first time in a USFWS-partnered press release we
have some contextual information (2 bats = 18% of colony; no
mortality). We
I don't recall this one having made the rounds yet. Jeannine Isom from the
Hubbard Museum, Ruidoso Downs, sent this to me. BTW, the Hubbard has been
having a series on cave-karst presentations to go along with the 3D Lechuguilla
exhibit there.
From: Jeannine Isom
I don't recall this one having made the rounds yet. Jeannine Isom from the
Hubbard Museum, Ruidoso Downs, sent this to me. BTW, the Hubbard has been
having a series on cave-karst presentations to go along with the 3D Lechuguilla
exhibit there.
From: Jeannine Isom
I don't recall this one having made the rounds yet. Jeannine Isom from the
Hubbard Museum, Ruidoso Downs, sent this to me. BTW, the Hubbard has been
having a series on cave-karst presentations to go along with the 3D Lechuguilla
exhibit there.
From: Jeannine Isom
Culprit behind bat scourge confirmed
A cold-loving fungus is behind an epidemic decimating bat populations in North
America.
Susan Young
White-nose syndrome is killing bats throughout eastern North America.Greg
Turner / Pennsylvania Game Commission
Researchers have confirmed that a
- Original Message -
From: C Tiderman
To: undisclosed recipients:
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: [SWR] WNS
Culprit behind bat scourge confirmed
A cold-loving fungus is behind an epidemic decimating bat populations in North
America.
Susan Young
White-nose
- Original Message -
From: C Tiderman
To: undisclosed recipients:
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: [SWR] WNS
Culprit behind bat scourge confirmed
A cold-loving fungus is behind an epidemic decimating bat populations in North
America.
Susan Young
White-nose
Culprit behind bat scourge confirmed
A cold-loving fungus is behind an epidemic decimating bat populations in North
America.
Susan Young
White-nose syndrome is killing bats throughout eastern North America.Greg
Turner / Pennsylvania Game Commission
Researchers have confirmed that a
- Original Message -
From: C Tiderman
To: undisclosed recipients:
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: [SWR] WNS
Culprit behind bat scourge confirmed
A cold-loving fungus is behind an epidemic decimating bat populations in North
America.
Susan Young
White-nose
. I'm still waiting for the
global warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support
their arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR
for the
global warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support
their arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS
To all:
Having read
. I'm still waiting for the
global warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support
their arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR
for the
global warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support
their arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS
To all:
Having read
. I'm still waiting for the
global warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support
their arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR
for the
global warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support
their arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS
To all:
Having read
To all:
Having read the petition: By the time the lawyers line up, litigation takes
place, etc. the disease will either have already spread to the west, or we'll
have learned correctly that this petition is one of extremism, and that the
spread of WNS cannot be stopped by the blanket closure of
for the global
warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support their
arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS
still waiting for the
global warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support
their arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS
To all:
Having read the petition: By the time the lawyers line up, litigation takes
place, etc. the disease will either have already spread to the west, or we'll
have learned correctly that this petition is one of extremism, and that the
spread of WNS cannot be stopped by the blanket closure of
for the global
warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support their
arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS
still waiting for the
global warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support
their arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS
To all:
Having read the petition: By the time the lawyers line up, litigation takes
place, etc. the disease will either have already spread to the west, or we'll
have learned correctly that this petition is one of extremism, and that the
spread of WNS cannot be stopped by the blanket closure of
for the global
warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support their
arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS
still waiting for the
global warming extremists to use data not obtained by modeling to support
their arguments. Time to clean up the scientific act as well.
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Carl Pagano
To: s...@caver.net
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] WNS
I might be behind the times on this but this was brought to my attention today.
Looks like the efforts put forth by the BLM that most cavers disagreed with
were still not enough for the Center for Biological Diversity. Their website
also specifically sites BLM's unwillingness to institute a
I might be behind the times on this but this was brought to my attention today.
Looks like the efforts put forth by the BLM that most cavers disagreed with
were still not enough for the Center for Biological Diversity. Their website
also specifically sites BLM's unwillingness to institute a
I might be behind the times on this but this was brought to my attention today.
Looks like the efforts put forth by the BLM that most cavers disagreed with
were still not enough for the Center for Biological Diversity. Their website
also specifically sites BLM's unwillingness to institute a
- Original Message -
From: jennifer bigredfo...@yahoo.com
To: nmbat_working_gr...@googlegroups.com; s...@caver.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:27 PM
Subject: [SWR] WNS confirmed in Indiana
Here's the press release - just out:
DNR NEWS
Indiana Department of Natural Resources
Here's the press release - just out:
DNR NEWS
Indiana Department of Natural Resources
402 W. Washington St. W255 B
Indianapolis, IN 46204-2748
Phone: (317) 232-4200
For immediate release: Feb. 1, 2011
Bat tests positive for white-nosed fungus
The Indiana Department of Natural Resources and
From: jennifer bigredfo...@yahoo.com
Date: February 1, 2011 6:27:04 PM CST
To: nmbat_working_gr...@googlegroups.com, s...@caver.net
Subject: [SWR] WNS confirmed in Indiana
Here's the press release - just out:
DNR NEWS
Indiana Department of Natural Resources
402 W. Washington St. W255 B
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