avers] Solo Caving
From:
Phil Winkler
Date:
9/16/2013 1:25 PM
To:
Diana Tomchick , Bill Bentley
CC:
texas cavers
Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the
Christmas holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers
there anymore, but did want to visit Chri
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> -Original Message- From: James Jasek
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:20 PM
> To: TexasCavers Tex
> Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
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> What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about
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From: James Jasek
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:20 PM
To: TexasCavers Tex
Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about
solo climbing for e
I think, James, that it is time to wind this down.
Your justifications are approaching "encouraging others".
>> It really goes without say (ing) anyone doing a solo trip make the
>> necessary surface precautions
Some folks who go caving alone do not want
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>> > Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the
>> > Christmas holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't
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> > From: pw...@dca.net
> > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
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> > Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the
> > Christmas holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers
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Sep 2013 14:25:32 -0400
> To: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu; ca...@caver.net
> From: pw...@dca.net
> CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
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> Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the
> Christmas holiday on leave from
:)))
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On Sep 16, 2013, at 15:04, James Jasek wrote:
> Thank you. I raised you right. I was there when you crawled into this hell
> hole of mud in tight breakdown in Kiwi. Your mom and me were helping with the
> dig. When you came you told me not to go in there. You were cov
Thank you. I raised you right. I was there when you crawled into this hell hole
of mud in tight breakdown in Kiwi. Your mom and me were helping with the dig.
When you came you told me not to go in there. You were covered in wet mud
Your father :)
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On Sep 16, 2013, at 2:24 PM
It isn't *really* solo, but the only time I have been in the cave at Kiwi I
explored a little by myself. One of the diggers working inside was kind enough
to tell me what to expect. I headed for an upper room and ended up belly
crawling in wet muck - I was so hungover I felt like I was going to
Thanks. Cool account if the solo trip. Made me feel as if I was there. This is
more or less the type if cave I was asking about as to a easy cave to do a solo
trip.
Others have contributed solo trips I feel are well beyond what I was asking
about. Being alone in the water crawl is an easy pla
Many, many years ago (1973?) I was in Waynesville MO over the
Christmas holiday on leave from the Army. I didn't know any cavers
there anymore, but did want to visit Christmas Cave which is listed
in J. Harlan Bretz' Caves of Missouri. Since it was a horizontal cave
I figured I could at least c
Thank you for the interesting history of you past and early caving years.
Jim
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On Sep 16, 2013, at 1:08 PM, Diana Tomchick
wrote:
> I don't get much time to discuss caving with people where I work, but last
> week I had someone in my office that was admiring the Speleopro
I don't get much time to discuss caving with people where I work, but last week
I had someone in my office that was admiring the Speleoprojects postcards I had
posted on my outer door (I save these from their calendar every year, and post
them in rotation as my mood changes). It turned out that
I have nothing but respect for someone who has the mental and physical
fortitude to do something like that.
Marvin
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From: Logan McNatt [mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 5:42 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Solo caving in
The truth is that ³Cave Carson² had to flee to California to escape the
thousands of dollars in parking tickets he racked up at the UT campus by
parking daily in a red zone outside the School of Communications ³Big Rusty
Building² on Guadelupe. At that time there was no extradition treaty for
parki
On 9/13/2013 3:18 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
So, how is solo caving different from solo trail running, solo hiking,
or solo driving on rural roads.
At least on the solo hiking I'll offer some fairly critical differences
vs. solo caving as I do a section of the Pacific Crest Trail each year
>>So, how is solo caving different from solo trail running, solo hiking, or
>>solo driving on rural roads?<<<
And THERE is the key question, Geary. Thank you.
How about solo walking to the mail box? Or solo cave diving? Personally, I
don't have the needed expe
Mike Boon's epic 10 day solo trip is a must read. It included 2 days traversing a glacier with deep crevasses, and 8 days in a very challenging,
cold cave with about 1,000 ft of vertical extent. He went almost 6 miles to the back of the cave and bolted/free-climbed up a 30 ft lead to
explore vir
Diana,
Thanks for that link--what interesting research and conclusion! I was living in
the Pacific NW at the time of McCandless' demise, and wasn't too long out of
Alaska, and I remember thinking he was pretty stupid and somewhat arrogant to
do what he did. I also had good knowledge of wild plan
> Underground and above ground.
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> Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin
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> To: "Nico Escamilla"
> Cc: "Texas Cavers" , "F
While we're on the topic of going solo in the wilderness and the relative risks
involved, here's an interesting new take on how Christopher McCandless ("Into
The Wild") died by Jon Krakeur.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/09/how-chris-mccandless-died.html
I especially enjoyed t
Diana raises some interesting points about safety. But how do we really weigh
relative risk. Is the chance of breaking a leg while caving any different
soling or with a group of cavers. What caving with a group of cavers does is
cut down on the response time in the event of this sort of accident
Yes, Pete, I certainly do remember the Turtle Hurdles!
I figured Max must have come down out of a crack in the ceiling somewhere, and
finally gave up searching. I was doubting that even if I found a traveled
route, I still would not know how to get to a main tourist trail and onto
I don't qualify that as strictly solo caving as you are in the same cave with a
group of people that hopefully know that you went ahead to check things out and
will come and get you rather quickly if you are scooping virgin cave without
them. Far different from no one else knowing where in the h
Dwight, remember the Turtle Hurdles? You, Karen and myself were off in the
boonies at the edge of known cave, just past Kaemper's map of Mammoth Cave. We
went just past long ago footsteps, through an apparent virgin area, and into an
area where we starting to see signs of human scuffs again. We
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on what NOT to do.
Underground and above ground.
Mark, by sheer dumb luck, somehow managed to send this from his Virgin Mobile
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To: "Nico Escamilla"
Cc: "Texas Cavers" , "Frank Binney"
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I guess that the official response has to be "no, never, solo caving is
too risky. What if anything happens?"
But also, I can imagine that most cavers who have been involved in
exploration have been solo caving:
- Checking a couple of passages quickly to find out which one is more
promising
Thanks, Frank.
I remember that article well! A classic story in a classic publication.
(And Jewel Cave had finally reached 50 miles to become the World's fifth
longest cave --)
By the way - - in cleaning up the basement in the aftermath of too much
flooding, I ran acros
Everyone knows solo caving is way too dangerous. I always bring a buddy,
usually one I can easily outrun when chupacabras start chasing you out of
the cave
El viernes, 13 de septiembre de 2013, Frank Binney escribió:
> I’ve always believed that those who regularly pursue solo caving either
> h
I¹ve always believed that those who regularly pursue solo caving either have
a death wish or suffer from mental illness. Case in point, back in 1970
Canadian caverand frequent visitor to Austin on his way to deep caving
expeditions in MexicoMike Boon made an epic mid-winter solo trip to
Castlegua
OK, so it's a slow morning at work, so I'll bite on this subject.
I don't go solo caving. But I do like to cave "solo" on occasion. What do I
mean by that? For example, when you're caving with a large group of people that
move at different rates through a cave, sometimes it's nice to break away
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Sent: September 13, 2013 9:14 AM
To: "TexasCavers Tex"
Subject: [Texascavers] Solo caving
Let me rephrase my solo caving question. I was hoping an active caver, who has
done, or has recently done, some non vertical, solo caving would reply. What is
the mind set and why go solo c
No friends? ;-)
(Sorry, it's Friday...)
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From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 11:01 AM
To: James Jasek
Cc: TexasCavers Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Solo caving
Why go solo caving when there are so
There is a certain peacefulness. And quiet satisfaction.
DirtDoc
exascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Solo caving
>
> Let me rephrase my solo caving question. I was hoping an active caver, who
> has done, or has recently done, some non vertical, solo caving would reply.
> What is the mind set and why go solo caving? What are the limits set to
Why go solo caving when there are so many cavers in Texas that want to go but
don't get enough chances to go caving?
Diana
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12 Sep 2013 23:20:47 -0500
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
>
> What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about
> solo climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to
> 1000 feet crawling wal
Let me rephrase my solo caving question. I was hoping an active caver, who has
done, or has recently done, some non vertical, solo caving would reply. What is
the mind set and why go solo caving? What are the limits set to what
difficulty or degree of caving while underground? What is included
Always bring someone else to blame.
Z
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On Sep 12, 2013, at 11:20 PM, James Jasek wrote:
> What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about
> solo climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to
> 1000 feet crawling walking with
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> > Tie a long elastic band to yourself and a tree near the entrance.
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> > From: James Jasek [caver...@hot.rr.com]
> > Sent: 12 September 2013 23:20
> > To: TexasCavers Tex
> > Subject: [Texascavers
> To: TexasCavers Tex
> Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
>
> What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about
> solo climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to
> 1000 feet crawling walking with some short down/ up climbs.
Tie a long elastic band to yourself and a tree near the entrance.
From: James Jasek [caver...@hot.rr.com]
Sent: 12 September 2013 23:20
To: TexasCavers Tex
Subject: [Texascavers] Solo Caving
What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not
What is the general feeling regarding solo caving? I am not talking about solo
climbing for exiting deep vertical cave. This is abut going in 500 to 1000 feet
crawling walking with some short down/ up climbs.
James Jasek
Sent from my iPhone
Although I like and support solo caving by properly experienced and thinking
cavers, there was that horrible and tragic case of the guy in Black Cave,
Arizona, about 10 years ago who went solo caving (without telling anyone his
intentions) and his trapped body wasn't found for something like six mo
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