Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Scott
Its like a Dikfur.. - Original Message - From: Stefan Creaser To: Louise Power ; donarb...@mac.com ; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] > But I don't know wha

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Orion Knox
t: RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] I am waiting for a knowledgeable geologist or someone to tell us that these formations are not formed by the same minerals or in the same manner in which cave formations are formed. I'm sure that there must be an explanation w

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Corky
ght... Louise Power wrote: Ah! Gotcha. Thnx From: /"Allan Cobb" / To: // Subject: /Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]/ Date: /Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:36:24

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Louise Power
Ah! Gotcha. Thnx From: "Allan Cobb" To: Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 17:36:24 -0500MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc2-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tu

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Allan Cobb
"But I don't know what a speleotherm is. Have I missed something?" A speleotherm is one of the HOT speleothems that Diana wants to date! *LOL*

RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Stefan Creaser
ist. Stefan From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:21 PM To: donarb...@mac.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Louise Power
Hi Don, I know what a speleothem is A speleothem (from the Greek for "cave deposit") is a secondary mineral deposit formed in caves. It is the formal term for what is also known as a cave formation, or amongst cavers sometimes known as decorations or pretties. But I don't know what a speleotherm

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] - warning Ediger-length diatribe

2007-07-17 Thread Brian Riordan
Quick distinction and then I'll get back to being productive at work: There is a difference between evolution as a "viable mechanism" for life that already exists, and evolution as the origin of life. While this statement is probably controversial, I don't think evolution in a living organism v

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Brian Riordan
I apologize, that last e-mail wasn't meant for the whole listserve... *sheepish grin* On 7/17/07, Brian Riordan wrote: ... I'm not sure what a "rebuttle" is, maybe you meant my rebuttal. In that case: Thank you for your constructive criticism, if you want to talk more about carbon dating w

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Brian Riordan
... I'm not sure what a "rebuttle" is, maybe you meant my rebuttal. In that case: Thank you for your constructive criticism, if you want to talk more about carbon dating we can do that, keeping in mind that the whole point I made before is that calibration is based on very large assumptions. In

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] - warning Ediger-length diatribe

2007-07-17 Thread George Nincehelser
Now for those who are still scratching your heads about the source of approximately 99% of the heat on earth - if you can't recognize a simple thing like a heat source that provides 99% of the heat on your planet, perhaps you might have a little trouble recognizing evolution, which plays just

RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] - warning Ediger-length diatribe

2007-07-17 Thread Fritz Holt
. Fritz _ From: Philip L Moss [mailto:philipm...@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:56 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] - warning Ediger-length diatribe OK, I'll play along. Calcium carbonate formati

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] - warning Ediger-length diatribe

2007-07-17 Thread Diana Tomchick
On Jul 17, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Philip L Moss wrote: In the late 1800's, the first person to receive two Nobel prizes in science (who is worth looking up as this person is atypical is another important way, not just because of the receipt of two Nobels), made a discovery that was later fou

RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Louise Power
quot;'Brian Riordan'" ,"'Don Cooper'" CC: "'Texas Cavers'" Subject: RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:57:40 -0500MIME-Version: 1.0Received: from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc8

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] - warning Ediger-length diatribe

2007-07-17 Thread Philip L Moss
OK, I'll play along. Calcium carbonate formations can grow at very rapid rates. Did I miss something? I thought that this was old news to cavers. Haven't we all seen examples of calcite deposition over man made objects in caves? I am amused at the website, http://www.bible.ca/tracks/speleother

RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Butch Fralia
uly 17, 2007 10:39 AM To: Don Cooper Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] Once again I'm going to have to question the wisdom in mocking religion on this listserve... So yes, caves, in the right conditions, can form far more quickly than sometimes

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Brian Riordan
Once again I'm going to have to question the wisdom in mocking religion on this listserve... So yes, caves, in the right conditions, can form far more quickly than sometimes stated as uniform. Just as a private company can build a road 10 times quicker than the state- it varies with conditions..

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread George Nincehelser
Or phrased another way, why do we always seem to assume formations must grow slowly? Under favorable conditions, is fast growth possible? Has anyone tried to grow "artificial" formations under controlled conditions? George On 7/17/07, Fritz Holt wrote: I am waiting for a knowledgeable geo

RE: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread Fritz Holt
tions. _ From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 12:42 AM To: Don Arburn Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] WOW! I guess everything in the bible is correct then! So the oldest caves are only 4000

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-16 Thread Don Cooper
WOW! I guess everything in the bible is correct then! So the oldest caves are only 4000 years old, God Created Adam and Eve with magic, evolution is bunk and Noah's Ark WAS NOT a increadably far fetched fable.. Who Knew? -WaV On 7/17/07, Don Arburn wrote: http://www.bible.ca/tracks/spele