[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-04-13 Thread Mohammad
On Monday, April 13, 2020 at 3:08:51 AM UTC+4:30, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote: > > Very late reply! Thanks Jeremy for sharing the link to this conversation. > > I think it would be even better to get rid of both Tiddler and Wiki - TW > is much more powerful than just a wiki. > Absolutely! Ti

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-04-12 Thread Anne-Laure Le Cunff
Very late reply! Thanks Jeremy for sharing the link to this conversation. I think it would be even better to get rid of both Tiddler and Wiki - TW is much more powerful than just a wiki. I only gave it a proper try thanks to a few videos from current users, but the word wiki was also a barrier i

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-02 Thread bimlas
The continuation of the thread can be found here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/EShXN5LvQbA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to t

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-02 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Just create a new thread with a link back to this one. Best wishes TT On Monday, 2 March 2020 13:10:49 UTC+1, bimlas wrote: > > TiddlyTweeter, > > Side note. This thread is now paginating on Web. >> >> This makes it difficult to read. >> >> Request that either the author or moderator creates a n

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-02 Thread bimlas
TiddlyTweeter, Side note. This thread is now paginating on Web. > > This makes it difficult to read. > > Request that either the author or moderator creates a new continuation > thread. > How can I do that? Where to click? Or do I just create a new thread and link to this thread in the opening

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-02 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Dave & Mark S. Not sure. It doesn't capture activity though captures something useful. My own feeling is that TW is that emphasis on TW's enormous flexibility of use to build many things is also a good approach. In other words: process centric name not an outcome look that would not apply

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-02 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Side note. This thread is now paginating on Web. This makes it difficult to read. Request that either the author or moderator creates a new continuation thread. TT On Monday, 2 March 2020 12:41:10 UTC+1, David Gifford wrote: > > STICKLES would be a great name! Short, easy to say, and while th

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-02 Thread David Gifford
STICKLES would be a great name! Short, easy to say, and while there is a meaning (fish), there is no need to explain it. Guppies would also be similarly good. I think Stickles would benefit from its similarity to "sticky notes" which is what a lot of us use instead of saying post-it notes. But

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-02 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Birthe C wrote: > > I would like to see some suggestions for what would be considered a good > name, that is good all over the world in any language. > BRICOLEUR (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bricoleur) Emphasis is on practical building of something that is for a purpose. Expresses the flexib

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-01 Thread Julio Peña
Mark S. says, > All that said, StickleWiki would be a pretty cute name. > A nice variation could also be "StickleNotes". Kinda catchyh :) Regards to all, Julio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-01 Thread Birthe C
Mark, I see your point! I also wonder if people are that stupid, maybe TW would not be the best option for them. Also there could be other reasons for it. People panic buying lots of other stuff and for most people, beer is nice but not a necessity. Also if your workplace closes, you get infect

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-01 Thread TonyM
Mark, It will never impact my Corona Beer drinking. I love the stuff, but don't drink much of anything but that is my choice when I do. Tony On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 1:49:53 AM UTC+11, Mark S. wrote: > > > Combining two forum issues, people who think that names don't matter > should conside

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-01 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Combining two forum issues, people who think that names don't matter should consider the plight of Corona beer: https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/corona-beer-sales-taking-hit-because-coronavirus-outbreak/ORXV24ZXMZAZDJCBIM7K55MRUE/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-03-01 Thread Mohammad
No conclusion yet! On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 3:24:28 PM UTC+3:30, Mohammad wrote: > > Hi Jeremy, > This post got many discussion and views! > > It is good to have your preliminary conclusion and see if any decision > should make or not! > > --Mohammad > > On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 7:

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-28 Thread Birthe C
@Mohamed Amin, Exactly, I have always loved that story. (Tiddler is late ;-D ) Others will think it adds to the childish argument though. @Tony Roses do not always smell, and I would not want tiddlers to do either - no *StinkyWiki* for me. @Mark What words would not offend someone. Now it seems

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-28 Thread Mohamed Amin
just for "fun" while I'm searching about the meaning of the "name Tiddler" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcTQADUywZY. "Tiddler is telling STORYs with BIG imagination", he blew small bubbles but he told tall tales (this is what TW5 do :)) again, my english is not good, but I think I'm in lov

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-28 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
It doesn't matter what you *know*. It matters what others *think*. Case in point, someone who was fired for using a dictionary word that sounded vaguely like an offensive word. No matter what your dictionary or encyclopedia says, most people aren't going to do the research -- they'll just guess

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-28 Thread Eric Shulman
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 3:46:10 PM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote: > > ... the stickleback also has other attributes that have metaphorical > parallels with TW tiddlers > At the risk of stretching the metaphor just a little bit more: https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/shoals-of-sticklebacks-

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-28 Thread Eric Shulman
On Friday, February 28, 2020 at 2:27:42 PM UTC-8, TonyM wrote: > > A rose by any other name would smell as sweet > > A TiddlyWiki by any other name would be as great. > http://tiddlytools.com/InsideTW/#WhatsInAName As noted in the link above, a "tiddler" is the nickname for a kind of small fish,

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-28 Thread TonyM
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet A TiddlyWiki by any other name would be as great. On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 5:28:06 AM UTC+11, bimlas wrote: > > A wave started which could make TiddlyWiki more and more famous. *Now* we > might need to make it really user-friendly, so that n

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-28 Thread TonyM
Mohammad, For me him calling a record (tiddler) "a post" is clearly that he is blogger and possible wordpress coder. If he thinks that odd, I would ask why pages are also posts in wordpress, in fact most editable records are posts in WordPress. In tiddlywiki almost every single element can be

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-28 Thread Mohamed Amin
I'm not a native English speaker, but his reaction hit me :) https://youtu.be/qRZeH680XWA?list=PLwPNwdwG1CSryjm77XGK0zj9vDkqlo2XR&t=453 On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 8:28:06 PM UTC+2, bimlas wrote: > > A wave started which could make TiddlyWiki more and more famous. *Now* we > might need to

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-23 Thread Mohammad
Hi Jeremy, This post got many discussion and views! It is good to have your preliminary conclusion and see if any decision should make or not! --Mohammad On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 7:42:44 PM UTC+3:30, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Just to add to Mark's comment: It has been clear for a few yea

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread bimlas
We may be looking in the wrong direction. Whatever the name of a software, I think everyone gives it a chance to at least search for it and see what exactly it is (screenshot, screencast). What if we improved the look instead of the name? Take a look at this list: https://alternativeto.net/soft

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
I think that would be a great name for a snack product pitched to office workers. I imagine people sitting around in the break room, munching away on their SnafuBars. Now I'm hungry. On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 3:01:14 PM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote: > > Deprecate? I was thinking of it as

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread Mat
David Gifford wrote: > > Deprecate? I was thinking of it as continuing tiddlywiki.com as is, but > adding a separate site where the guts of TW are wrapped in a slightly > modified shell with another name, and those guts get autoupdated when > TiddlyWiki does. > Well, if we do introduce another

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread David Gifford
Deprecate? I was thinking of it as continuing tiddlywiki.com as is, but adding a separate site where the guts of TW are wrapped in a slightly modified shell with another name, and those guts get autoupdated when TiddlyWiki does. And Snafoobar was for PMario, who thought Jeremy was seriously rec

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Yeah, that's pretty much how I imagined it would work. Maybe other people were thinking of something more draconian. On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1:19:21 PM UTC-8, David Gifford wrote: > > Speaking of either-or logic, perhaps we are all doing that. Maybe there > would be a way to have it b

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread Handoko Suwono
For me it's great to keep TW as a name because few other forked TW with example TiddlySpace hadn't survived that long, even when it's back to the original forker though I love the concept of 'space'. I am thinking of BlockChain to link with TW since Tiddler is also a block which is a disbursed

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread Mat
David Gifford wrote: > > Speaking of either-or logic, perhaps we are all doing that. Maybe there > would be a way to have it both ways: create a shell application with a > different, more approachable name, but that says "powered by TiddlyWiki" > and it gets updated automatically when TiddlyWiki

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread David Gifford
Speaking of either-or logic, perhaps we are all doing that. Maybe there would be a way to have it both ways: create a shell application with a different, more approachable name, but that says "powered by TiddlyWiki" and it gets updated automatically when TiddlyWiki gets updated. So if you go to

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 10:33:56 AM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote: > > > According to the June 2019 stats from > https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/top-100-websites-ranking.html, > > DuckDuckGo has been "experiencing brisk growth in recent years"... and > show

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread Julio Peña
Hello all, RE @Eric's post above...interesting. I never saw from that perspective. Good points...great post! Blessings, Julio > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, s

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread Eric Shulman
On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 7:16:34 AM UTC-8, Mark S. wrote: > > Well, DuckDuckGo isn't exactly taking off, even though they do > advertise. > According to the June 2019 stats from https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/top-100-websites-ranking.html, DuckDuckGo has

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 12:19:24 AM UTC-8, Eric Shulman wrote: > > > There are many applications and websites that have silly names (Google, > Twitter, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, Twitch) or are portmanteaus composed of word > fragments or combinations (GMail, Instagram, Wikipedia, Pinterest,

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread David Gifford
Very nice, Mohammad! On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 6:00 AM Mohammad wrote: > David, > This is a small but nice tutorial on Tiddlywiki edition: Maarfapad > > https://cdn.rawgit.com/abesamma/TW5-editions/78846468/empty.html > > --Mohammad > > On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 5:33:46 AM UTC+3:30, Davi

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread Mohammad
David, This is a small but nice tutorial on Tiddlywiki edition: Maarfapad https://cdn.rawgit.com/abesamma/TW5-editions/78846468/empty.html --Mohammad On Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 5:33:46 AM UTC+3:30, David Gifford wrote: > > The Hackaday name to this thread hides the importance of this th

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-19 Thread Eric Shulman
On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 10:10:48 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote: > > Like Mark, I believe while renaming does not solve some problems people > raised here! > But keeping the current Name also will not help to solve those problems. > There are many applications and websites that have silly name

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread David Gifford
The Hackaday name to this thread hides the importance of this thread. Glad I happened to notice how many posts it had, to see that it had to do with something as momentous as a namechange for TW. Reactions: 1) Oh, dear, no more dilly-dallying or shilly-shallying willy-nilly in TiddlyWiki. :-)

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
Your choices show the magnitude of the problem. hta files only work with IE. TWexe is quite possibly dangerous and wouldn't be allowed on secured systems. Bob requires users to understand launching program "A" before using "B" and how to install plugins. The obvious first choice is the default

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread TonyM
Folks, The usability and complexity associated with saving tiddlywiki's arises again in this thread because naming tiddlywiki is about the popularisation. This is where I think a carefully selected "additional" name would provide a metaphor that helps people grasp what tiddlywiki is. I do not h

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Mark S. wrote: > > > Some problems are intractable -- they have no solution. This is true of TW > in it's current > formulation. Call it Godel's Rule of TiddlyWiki: > >*Any information system based on browser technology will never have > just one way of saving.* > > Since we can't solve probl

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread Stobot
Adding an opinion to the pile in terms of making TiddlyWiki more popular - from someone who's spent more than a decade trying to convince friends and co-workers. Not a developer like many of you, just super-fan. 1. Name change would be *very welcome* (Reference US/Canada since this has come up)

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread Mohammad
Like Mark, I believe while renaming does not solve some problems people raised here! But keeping the current Name also will not help to solve those problems. --Mohammad On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 7:08:57 PM UTC+3:30, Mark S. wrote: > > In your case, people got past the name because *YO

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread Diego Mesa
Again - I *agree* we need a name change. I also agree with the extra statement someone made that of all the things TW needs, a name change is not priority #1. It is possible to offer users too many choices, especially at the beginning. TW isn't really structured to let users GROW into the co

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
In your case, people got past the name because *YOU* were there to introduce them. But out on the net there is no introducer, no one to convince them. So that's when the name becomes important. Once again, if the name wasn't a diminutive, it wouldn't matter so much. Some problems are intractabl

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread Mohamed Amin
@Diego Mesa, Exactly We have to find a way to let the "target audience" FEEL the NEED. One of the ways that similar difficult/straing technology use to introduce themselves and "CREATE" that NEED, is to use "GAMES" and "STORY Telling". By using a GOOD games/story; the users can have and "easy i

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread Diego Mesa
I definitely agree we could use a change in name. I also 100% agree that that is not the MAIN problem preventing people from trying/using TW today. I, like others here, have tried several SEVERAL times to introduce TW to others. They end up not using it NOT because I explain these things are c

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread TonyM
Mohammad I would not have any fear if I had their marketing budgets. I do think we need to be realistic, thus why I think it can be managed with a planned and staged transition as I posted earlier. Tony -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki"

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread Mohammad
Sony, Nike, Apple, Blackberry, eBay, IBM are among the renamed company! Do not fear from a change in name! --Mohammad On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 1:36:01 PM UTC+3:30, Mohammad wrote: > > These are the list of 19 big company renamed > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/26/19-famous-companies-t

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-18 Thread Mohammad
These are the list of 19 big company renamed https://www.cnbc.com/2015/05/26/19-famous-companies-that-originally-had-different-names.html Google is among them! Jeremy said, he will provide an upgrading tool! I think change tiddler to card and Tiddlywiki to TWX or TW Platform or SmartX will not

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Birthe C
Hi Mark S. The name "TiddlyWiki", unlike other products mentioned, has a name that > strongly > suggests something diminutive or child-like. This is not something that > people > want to be associated with. > Marketing and lots of money got a lot of people to use software from Microsoft. S

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread TonyM
Why can we have a second brand? Perhaps a new edition under that, and simply cross reference to "The tiddlywiki platform". Perhaps a third brand and do A/B marketing perhaps one targeted at IT Literates and one to average Joe user. Regards Tony On Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 3:24:56 PM UTC+

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
The way that it helps the newcomer is that it lets them know that the product is OK to use in the first place. IT people often think only in terms of technology, but most other people interface with products via introducers and branding. The name "TiddlyWiki", unlike other products mentioned, h

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Mohamed Amin
As a relatively new user (8 months now) I strongly agree with Mark Kerrigan, let me put my thoughts here (excuse my bad english):- 1- There are very successful Tools with bad names (https://flask-wtf.readthedocs.io/en/stable/) ,or names that NOT reflect the current functionallty ("WordPress"

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Mark Kerrigan
Hello I'm skeptical if switching away from the name TiddlyWiki will really entice more people to start using TiddlyWiki. It seems more of the issues are less about the name, but more of the initial technical hurdle to save changes. TiddlyWiki requires the user to set up some sort of saving mech

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread TonyM
Jeremy, Some carefully considered thoughts follow; I agree a name change may be necessary despite my contentment with it, others seem to read it differently, the recent podcaste that made reference to it is a case in point. However we have a clear legacy of plugins and editions and solutions o

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > * Is it worth the effort of changing the name? > The issue, is, likely, are we getting enough users? Would a change in *name* increase them? HOW would we probe that issue practically? > > * What are the downsides of doing so? > Within version I think that could be comp

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread bimlas
Jeremy, > * What are the downsides of doing so? > If I look at it from an SEO perspective, TiddlyWiki is relatively widespread, but at first the new name may not appear on the first page of Google. I don't know if that matters, but it's also an aspect. Will the incompatibility that PMario sa

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread bimlas
I also agree that there are several things that should be improved by introducing incompatibility issues. About the name issue: I thought for a long time that TWX was the official name for the next version of Tiddly. I think it's a cool name, isn't it? As I look at it, there are not quite relev

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Aidan Grey
TT said: > I think the main reason "wiki" is not ideal is that TW really is not like most of the big wiki around. Its ability to shape-shift puts it in a quite different category. That's very true. Maybe it should be called something else altogether, entirely unique. The metaphors that pop into m

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread TiddlyTweeter
> > Jeremy wrote ... > > But equally people often tell me that “wiki” isnt a good term to describe > TW :) > I don't like wiki for several reasons. Though I registered some ".wiki" addresses in deference to TW being promoted as one. So if you change the name and you'll leave me in legacy :-)

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread PMario
On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 8:51:41 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Please don't. IMO foo and bar are some of the most terrible placeholder > variable names in computer history. see: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar > > > Sorry for the confusion. I’m using foobar and card as placehol

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread PMario
On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 8:51:41 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: But equally people often tell me that “wiki” isnt a good term to describe > TW :) > That's right. If someone hears wiki, they think MediaWiki, which is really far away from TW. -m -- You received this message because yo

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread TiddlyTweeter
PMario wrote: > > > I thought tiddler is a small fish. ... > > But having a look at: > https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tiddlers > >

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Mario > Please don't. IMO foo and bar are some of the most terrible placeholder > variable names in computer history. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar Sorry for the confusion. I’m using foobar and card as placeholders, and not suggesting that they be the new terms. > > Hmmm. Versio

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread PMario
On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 5:12:44 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: > > Just to add to Mark's comment: It has been clear for a few years that some > users find the terms "TiddlyWiki" and "tiddler" to be a barrier to taking > it seriously. In particular, while the word "tiddler" is common and

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread PMario
On Monday, February 17, 2020 at 5:12:44 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote: * TiddlyWiki --> FooBarWiki > * tiddlywiki --> foobarwiki > Please don't. IMO foo and bar are some of the most terrible placeholder variable names in computer history. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foobar > * Tiddler

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread TiddlyTweeter
Ciao Jeremy I agree with Mark S. on the "name" issue you quote (though I don't see the actual post from him!). The problem is the cultural resonance of "Tiddly" (small, not significant) and "tiddler" (ambiguous with echoes of "peeing", "small") in non-British cultures that speak English. And i

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Birthe C
Hi Mat, "TiddlyWiki is dead! Long live TinkleWinkle!" Loved that one, laughed so hard. But maybe catering for the younger generations starting in kindergarten will be important. The amount of equipment and expectations for them suggests so. Seriously what would be a good new name? Still easil

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Mat
TiddlyWiki is dead! Long live TinkleWinkle! On a serious note: If @Jermolene has any plans for TWX for within the next few years (i.e currently hypothetical rework or major overhaul like from TWC to TW5) then I'd definitely say WAIT until that time. If the various regretted decisions made wh

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Mohammad
These pages shows the wiki engines available now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_software - https://www.wikimatrix.org/compare --Mohammad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group an

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Mohammad
Hi Jeremy, I support the idea very much. I had the same experience as Mark, nobody at the first look think Tiddlywiki is a real powerful tool can be used for serious works. * Is it worth the effort of changing the name? > Absolutely yes! We even see this name change when big companies merge, b

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Julio Peña
Hello Jeremy and all, Good questions indeed. If I may chime in: > * Is it worth the effort of changing the name? > * What are the downsides of doing so? > * Coming up with suggestions for the new name is relatively easy, but what > are the criteria that we should use to test the new name? (We

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Aidan Grey
* Is it worth the effort of changing the name? Absolutely, yes. As long as foobarwiki stands for whatever better name is decided. I like Card vs. Tiddler. * What are the downsides of doing so? There's effort involved, obviously, and possibly an ongoing need to keep tiddlywiki.com and redirect to f

Re: [tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Just to add to Mark's comment: It has been clear for a few years that some users find the terms "TiddlyWiki" and "tiddler" to be a barrier to taking it seriously. In particular, while the word "tiddler" is common and innocent enough in Britain, it appears that for quite a few North American user

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-17 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki
These discussions about extending the outreach of TW always center around some hypothetical newby who is turned away by the complexity of TW. The reality is, that the first time we learn of the existence of a new comer, they're asking for advice on some complicated, convoluted mechanism that the

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-16 Thread PMario
On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 6:12:58 AM UTC+1, TonyM wrote: > > Folks > > I have always believed there should be an empty edition but once one knows > tiddlywiki and wants to build your own an empty edition is a great place to > start. > See: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywik

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-15 Thread TonyM
Folks I have always believed there should be an empty edition but once one knows tiddlywiki and wants to build your own an empty edition is a great place to start. I do believe a standard edition with just a little more is needed to make the introduction to tiddlywiki a little smoother. I hav

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-15 Thread Qalisto
!! Wise suggestion. TW as often presented is intimidating to more than a few. === > Q < === On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 6:28:06 PM UTC, bimlas wrote: > > A wave started which could make TiddlyWiki more and more famous. *Now* we > might need to make

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-15 Thread A Gloom
How about a bastic serup tiddler that display with the default GettingStarted shadow tiddler, potentionally have it also a individual sidebar tab (along with Open, Recent, etc) that once done with can be removed from the sidebar tabs and incorporated into the Tools tab. This tiddler can also o

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-15 Thread PMario
On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 9:21:46 PM UTC+1, PMario wrote: > > > May be empty.html should have a GettingsStarted lower section like this: > May be it could be a plugin named basics, that can be removed once the user doesn't need it anymore. -m -- You received this message because you

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-15 Thread PMario
On Saturday, February 15, 2020 at 8:01:32 PM UTC+1, bimlas wrote: > > Either way, TonyM is right about publishing at least one StarterPack > edition alongside Empty, which contains at least one ToC macro, if nothing > else. I think half of the newcomers are scared that creating a table of > cont

[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki on HackADay.com

2020-02-15 Thread bimlas
Either way, TonyM is right about publishing at least one StarterPack edition alongside Empty, which contains at least one ToC macro, if nothing else. I think half of the newcomers are scared that creating a table of contents is so "difficult" and they think about the difficulties they will face