[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Mark, As I understand it this is already possible. External Javascript. I also wonder if one could selectively remove code not used, however this would need an analysis process. And an exclusion on save, perhaps an alternate core plugin. The dynamic range of application of tiddlywiki would pos

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

If TW5 could be made to run like javascript, then you could separate the core from the working files. So you could have a local core library which all your tiddlywiki files could resource, without having to include them in every download/upload/save. On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 11:00:21 PM U

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

All, Out of curiosity, when we say TW is big, what do we mean? relative to what? TWC? Anything else besides that? What is the incentive to make it smaller and smaller? Something like: "The smaller TW gets, the more we _"? On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 2:52:00 PM UTC-6 TW Tones wrote:

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Mohammad, I think you will find empty.html is near its smallest, and as speeds and storage increases this size becomes even less important, but yes we hope tiddlywiki is universal, and there are very different circumstances the world over. - On the server side there is a way to externalise

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:29:19 PM UTC+3:30 Mark S. wrote: > > > On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:00:09 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote: >> >> Listing all tiddlers with language word in their title using advanced >> search [all[shadows]prefix[$:/]search:title[language]] results in >> 9

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:00:09 AM UTC-8, Mohammad wrote: > > Listing all tiddlers with language word in their title using advanced > search [all[shadows]prefix[$:/]search:title[language]] results in > 965 tiddlers and they are *115 kb* (I am not sure how part of these > tiddlers c

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

On a desktop with a local file, it doesn't make much difference. But on a small, older device over a slow data feed larger sizes will mean longer loading times and slower operation. On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 7:07:30 AM UTC-8, odin...@gmail.com wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance. But what a

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

With a little customization it gets 3 to 4 MB in size and it is a bit heavy for single html! On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 6:37:30 PM UTC+3:30 odin...@gmail.com wrote: > Pardon my ignorance. But what are the benefits of a smaller empty TW5? It > seemed to be implied in this thread that thi

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Hi Mark, On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 6:20:13 PM UTC+3:30 Mark S. wrote: > What makes you think that TW *can* be stripped down? > I am not quite familiar with JS code behind the scene, but I see some of backward compatibility, some of non essential features can be stripped out and distri

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Pardon my ignorance. But what are the benefits of a smaller empty TW5? It seemed to be implied in this thread that this is the case. Op woensdag 4 november 2020 om 16:00:09 UTC+1 schreef Mohammad: > Hi David, > I assume other language shall be installed on demand! > I have downloaded the latest

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Hi David, I assume other language shall be installed on demand! I have downloaded the latest empty.html from https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/ *These are some facts* $:/core has 2047 tiddlers and occupies around *1781 kb* Listing all tiddlers with language word in their title using advanced

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

What makes you think that TW *can* be stripped down? TW was *born* overweight, compared to TWC. My guess is that the reason TW5 is so much bigger, is that so much of the core is written in wikitext instead of javascript. This makes TW5 extensible, but also bulkier. On Monday, November 2, 2020

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

One thing that takes up space is the set of language tiddlers for translating to other languages. English-speakers don't need those, usually. What if those could be a plugin? Or else an English-only version stripped of those tiddlers? Feels arrogant and colonial even mentioning it. I only menti

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Hi Charlie, Thank you. Well having a stripped out core as a clean light empty.html gives more flexibility to developer to create custom editions with many customization and keep it still light for sending it through email. Best wishes Mohammad On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 6:28:40 PM UTC+3:3

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Hi Ste, Many thanks for your kind words. I like to give a real example. Fortran is a very old language and still in progress in 2020 and its latest standard 202x was released ( first draft ) a few months ago ago. Fortran is very popular in the scientific community when it comes to high perfor

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Hi Tones, That is quite true and I see your efforts in this regard. I totally agree with you, having some *starter edition* with enough plugins, table of content, themes, palettes, ... The empty.html as described by Josiah (the virgin edition) should be available for experienced users and for

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Mohammad et al, I am all for a minimum tiddlywiki being freely available and empty.html has provided this, perhaps some of you suggestions can be moved into it. However as I have stated a number of times empty.html is for people who know what they are doing, building from a base. It is not a go

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

Welcome back Mohammad! Diving in with some heavyweight thoughts! Fit tiddlywiki on a floppy!...(I found some in an old lap top bag the other daynone of my students knew what it was.) I've not been a party to the dev/ github discussions but as much as new and shiny appeals, losing say, tidgra

[tw5] Re: Tiddlywiki Empty: The size empty.html

I'm an instant fan of your thoughts. Your post makes me think of Linux (Tiny Core Linux and, even more so, the stripped-down version: Micro Core Linux.) It would be neat for TiddlyWiki to have a Debian-like repository and somet