Re: [time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-22 Thread Bruce Griffiths
Dave M wrote: Hello, I have a PRS10 rubidium which gives a 1pps output. The output is a 10 us positive pulse. I need to convert that to a 50:50 duty cycle pulse. Still 1pps. I'm hoping for a simple circuit rather than having to use a pic. I don't mind a bit of propagation delay, but I

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-22 Thread Jim Palfreyman
Mr HeathKid, What is your reason for hating dst. The changeover is a pain - but after that, what is the problem? Jim On 22 July 2011 14:23, Heathkid heath...@heathkid.com wrote: I live at 39° 57' 46 N and I absolutely HATE DST! Yes, Indiana... we haven't had DST for too long. It's bad and

Re: [time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-22 Thread Tom Van Baak (lab)
I was wondering how one would even use a PIC. You can make a 10MHz to 1PPS divider using a tiny 8-pin PIC. I have extras here. Send me email off-line if you want one. Cost is $2. /tvb ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe,

Re: [time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/22/2011 05:38 AM, Dave M wrote: Hello, I have a PRS10 rubidium which gives a 1pps output. The output is a 10 us positive pulse. I need to convert that to a 50:50 duty cycle pulse. Still 1pps. I'm hoping for a simple circuit rather than having to use a pic. I don't mind a bit of

Re: [time-nuts] 50:50 duty from a PRS10

2011-07-22 Thread David C. Partridge
Hello, I have a PRS10 rubidium which gives a 1pps output. The output is a 10 us positive pulse. I need to convert that to a 50:50 duty cycle pulse. Still 1pps. I'm hoping for a simple circuit rather than having to use a pic. I don't mind a bit of propagation delay, but I need to

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrcom 8170 Reloaded

2011-07-22 Thread paul swed
Hi Shaun I may have missed a email or something. I think. You are using the 8170s 1 MC out to drive a loran commercial simulator that then drives the austron. Do I understand this correctly? I designed and built a few simple chips loran c sim about 1.5 years ago and shared that information on

[time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Jason Rabel
I was just thinking (dangerous I know)... Has anyone attempted to build a stand-alone oscillator that is disciplined via NTP? i.e. NTP keeps it on-frequency... And I'm not talking about NTP that is locked to a local GPS, I'm curious about purely syncing to other NTP servers over a network. (The

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread michael taylor
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Jason Rabel ja...@extremeoverclocking.com wrote: I was just thinking (dangerous I know)... Has anyone attempted to build a stand-alone oscillator that is disciplined via NTP? I believe the Symmetricom NTP servers do this, whether or not they have external

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread WB6BNQ
I must say Jason, Yes, you are day dreaming, but hey, that is where ideas come from. I do not play with NTP, but isn't that the same thing ( or similar) as disciplining my local clock when I have it update against a reference like NIST over the Internet ? In other words, NTP is used to keep

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Javier Herrero
No exactly. A PPS generator syncrhonized with UTC time, using a GPS ntp server in the same LAN. Not too bad... but several microseconds jittery :) enough for my application then. Probably with long time constants it is doable, but if the ntp server is in the internet, and not in a LAN, I

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Javier Herrero
El 22/07/2011 20:39, michael taylor escribió: I think all NTP server appliances have this functionality by their nature, whether or not the oscillator is of particular high quality (low noise) or not. Many of the low-end ones likely just use a standard oscillator in a can [2] that the embedded

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R
On 07/22/2011 11:48 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 22/07/2011 20:39, michael taylor escribió: I think all NTP server appliances have this functionality by their nature, whether or not the oscillator is of particular high quality (low noise) or not. Many of the low-end ones likely just use a

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrcom 8170 Reloaded

2011-07-22 Thread Shaun Merrigan
Paul, Thanks for the reply. I have been out of the loop so to speak for a while, so I did not know about your simulator. I'll look in the archives and retrieve the information. The story behind the 8170 and 2042 is I purchased them well in advance of LORAN (in NA at least) going silent, but

[time-nuts] My Custom GPS clock

2011-07-22 Thread Bert, VE2ZAZ
Hello Everyone, I thought some of you might be interested in the following. A few months ago, a few time-nuts discussed what they had done to convert existing equipment to a large GPS clock. I elected to design my own clock display instead. Mine is fed by a Garmin GPS-35 GPS and it uses a 64 x

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/22/11 11:59 AM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: On 07/22/2011 11:48 AM, Javier Herrero wrote: El 22/07/2011 20:39, michael taylor escribió: I think all NTP server appliances have this functionality by their nature, whether or not the oscillator is of particular high quality (low

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Chris Albertson
This is exactly what an NTP server does. It adjusts the rate of a local clock so that the local clock advances at the same rate is the set of Internet servers that have passed a clock selection test. NTP does this very well considering the uncertainly of the lag over the internet. There is a

Re: [time-nuts] My Custom GPS clock

2011-07-22 Thread Brooke Clarke
Hi Bert: Which Sure Electronics display board did you use (they make a bunch of different ones)? http://www.sureelectronics.net/category.php?id=60 Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com http://www.End2PartyGovernment.com/ Bert, VE2ZAZ wrote: Hello Everyone, I thought some of you

Re: [time-nuts] My Custom GPS clock

2011-07-22 Thread Bert, VE2ZAZ
Hi Brooke, I go by memory here, but I believe it is a pair of DE-DP13112 (P4 32X8 3208 Red LED Dot Matrix Unit Board SPI Like), which are currently on sale for $11 ea. I bought mine on eBay. Cheers, Bert, VE2ZAZ From: Brooke Clarke bro...@pacific.net To:

Re: [time-nuts] My Custom GPS clock

2011-07-22 Thread Randy D. Hunt
That's what I come up with from their web site. . . Great Clock!! 73's, Randy Hunt, KI6WAS -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bert, VE2ZAZ Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:54 PM To: Brooke Clarke; time-nuts@febo.com Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread michael taylor
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: El 22/07/2011 20:39, michael taylor escribió: I think all NTP server appliances have this functionality by their nature, whether or not the oscillator is of particular high quality (low noise) or not. Many of the

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Bob Camp
Hi The easy way is to take a pps off of your external oscillator and feed that into a port on your NTP server. Let NTP tell you where that pps is. Don't let NTP lock to the pps, just let it report it's position. After that all you need to do is write some code to read the location of the

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread brent evers
After that all you need to do is write some code to... Oh - if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that! Brent On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Bob Camp li...@rtty.us wrote: Hi The easy way is to take a pps off of your external oscillator and feed that into a port on your NTP server.

[time-nuts] Rubidium stability

2011-07-22 Thread Perry Sandeen
List, Someone asked about surplus rubidium stability. Here are my results. I had five Lucent Rubidium’s. Three were from RDR in centennial, CO and two were from the Huntsville hamfest. Before measuring stability, I ran them for a week on the bench. Using A Lucent GPS and a HP 5370B counter

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Attila Kinali
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:27:34 -0500 Jason Rabel ja...@extremeoverclocking.com wrote: I was just thinking (dangerous I know)... Has anyone attempted to build a stand-alone oscillator that is disciplined via NTP? i.e. NTP keeps it on-frequency... And I'm not talking about NTP that is locked to

Re: [time-nuts] My Custom GPS clock

2011-07-22 Thread Ken , VK7KRJ
A few years ago, I did a similar clock for use in the car, but using a 4 line lcd. I never thought about correcting it for the software delays- an excellent idea Bert, thanks. I guess I am going to have to do a bit of a re-write sometime soon. Thinking about it, I could just feed the 1pps into

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium stability

2011-07-22 Thread Jose Camara
Perrier: Can you clarify your results? What do you mean by 200 to 800ps above or below 10MHz? Is that how much they gained or lost in a one second period (meaning 2 to 8E-10 error)? Or was it error in period measurement (hopefully not, 8E-3 error). Jose -Original Message-

Re: [time-nuts] The future of UTC

2011-07-22 Thread Horst Schmidt
Ha, you may well ask. The reason to hate DST is given to us in the southern parts of Australia, by our Queensland cousins: The problems with DST is : 1. The Cows get very confused and the farmers have problems milking them. 2. The chickens don't know anymore when to lay the eggs. it is

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/23/2011 12:07 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The easy way is to take a pps off of your external oscillator and feed that into a port on your NTP server. Let NTP tell you where that pps is. Don't let NTP lock to the pps, just let it report it's position. After that all you need to do is write

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Chris Albertson
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Javier Herrero jherr...@hvsistemas.es wrote: I've found a plot of the ntp-synthesized GPS output compared with the UTC-aligned GPS from a Thunderbolt. The generated PPS output was 1us wide, and it is represented in infinite persistence to get an idea of the

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/22/11 3:46 PM, brent evers wrote: After that all you need to do is write some code to... Oh - if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that! Brent When I worked in the physical effects business, we'd get a set of storyboards from a director, and we'd have to figure out how we were

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Chris Albertson
Yes but in this case it really is easy; Below is an outline (don't try to compile it.). It has a slight problem because just using sleep is kind of simplistic. One should wait on the new second and add some error chacking Point here is just to show that this is not weeks and weeks worth of

Re: [time-nuts] Discipline an oscillator with NTP?

2011-07-22 Thread Don Latham
First, catch your rabbit... Jim Lux On 7/22/11 3:46 PM, brent evers wrote: After that all you need to do is write some code to... Oh - if I had a nickel for every time I've heard that! Brent When I worked in the physical effects business, we'd get a set of storyboards from a director,