Re: [time-nuts] distirbuted sync

2013-07-23 Thread Chris Albertson
You can prototype a system with off the shelf parts get a few computers, old notebook computers, Raspburry "pI' or repurposed routers, what ever you have. Connect a Trimble Thunderbolt GPS to each one. Each one runs NTP. Connect them all to a isolated network. It could be wired, WiFi or whateve

Re: [time-nuts] distirbuted sync

2013-07-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/23/13 9:15 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: I don't think those requirements are hard. You can build a system that works in three cases 1) GPS is available full time 2) GPS is available intermittently. 3) there is not GPS system, world war III has destroyed it. or you're in an urban canyon or

[time-nuts] distirbuted sync

2013-07-23 Thread Jim Lux
Starting a new thread... Brian wrote: Have you considered WWVB? Works fine within structures. Even though the carrier today is phase modulated one can probably glean 1 ms accuracy from it or the data transmitted. -- disasters occur world wide, any time day or night, so depending on WWVB won'

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 18 behavior

2013-07-23 Thread Brian Alsop
Have you considered WWVB? Works fine within structures. Even though the carrier today is phase modulated one can probably glean 1 ms accuracy from it or the data transmitted. Regards Brian On 7/23/2013 14:05, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 23/07/13 05:55, Jim Lux wrote: On 7/21/13 6:42 PM, Chri

Re: [time-nuts] DDS module

2013-07-23 Thread Tim Shoppa
SG8002 is definitely a distributor programmable unit. It is a digital synthesizer in a can with no effort towards clean output. PLL? They would not bother to put a cleanup PLL in the can for the intended microprocessor application. Tim N3QE On 7/21/13, Didier Juges wrote: > I am familiar with

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting (meaningless?) measurement.

2013-07-23 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <51ee68ce.6090...@nc.rr.com>, Brian Alsop writes: >Good, bad or meaningless? On grounds of principle I will say "probably meaningless" until I see you reproduce the same number with the counter running on the internal OCXO. That said, I've done the same thing, and found numbers of the

[time-nuts] Interesting (meaningless?) measurement.

2013-07-23 Thread Brian Alsop
I acquired an HP-8657B refurbished by a well regarded individual. Beautiful printout of unit's performance versus the test matrix. One thing I was interested in is how well it "locks" to an external source. The previous generator I had produced 5 -10 ns random jumps observable on a 'scope. I

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 outer oven controller.

2013-07-23 Thread WarrenS
Charles sorry for the delayed answer, see below for why. I did my own thing for the outer oven controller. Mark C. S. was kind enough to redraw the schematic of what I made and post it on his site. http://www.vk2hmc.net/blog/?p=526 Do you know that often *your* postings do not show up on the

Re: [time-nuts] DDS module

2013-07-23 Thread Tim Shoppa
For the AD9850 (as well as the higher-tech more-bit-resolution modules) there are programming words/freqs that are awful with a lot of close-in spurs, and others that are comparatively clean (well, maybe just as many spurs by some measure but they are far far away). If you go to a DDS with higher

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 18 behavior

2013-07-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/22/13 6:30 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: For what it's worth, the application is a radar that detects buried victims in disaster rubble, so the data we are collecting is basically heartbeats and breathing. the "when was the data taken" is a "where were we when the data was collected" need. The "

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 18 behavior

2013-07-23 Thread Tom Van Baak
> For what it's worth, the application is a radar that detects buried > victims in disaster rubble, so the data we are collecting is basically > heartbeats and breathing. the "when was the data taken" is a "where > were we when the data was collected" need. The "sync" requirement comes > from

Re: [time-nuts] DDS module

2013-07-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 22/07/13 04:42, Didier Juges wrote: I am familiar with the Epson Seiko SG8002 series and nowhere does it say they are programmable. They are not user programmable for sure, only the distributor has the tools to do it. The data sheet does not have any information that would be a hint that th

Re: [time-nuts] DDS module

2013-07-23 Thread Didier Juges
I am familiar with the Epson Seiko SG8002 series and nowhere does it say they are programmable. They are not user programmable for sure, only the distributor has the tools to do it. The data sheet does not have any information that would be a hint that they are PLL's. Http://WWW.KO4BB.com/Timin

Re: [time-nuts] Specifications of the older PicoSync GPS Engine communication protocol on the RS232 port?

2013-07-23 Thread Juha Honkanen
Hi Hui Yes I had the some trouble. I also thought that PicoSync II software would work with the older PicoSync but no succes. I think it might be difficult to get software for the older PicoSync since it seem to be a OEM model with customised software. However I have been able to get in contac

Re: [time-nuts] Tboltmon AMU range

2013-07-23 Thread Brian Alsop
This brings up an interesting point. There is an azimuth and a weighted azimuthal display. The azimuthal display comes out essentially omnidirectional. The weighted display produces a heart shaped pattern with the heart lobes to the NE/SW and a pretty deep null due north. What weighting is

Re: [time-nuts] Advice Z3816A jumping to Holdover: 1PPS TI exceeds hold threshold, then Recovery: phase alignment for 3-4 hours.

2013-07-23 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Bob Camp bought up an interesting point, using a PAD will cut the voltage going up the spout to the antenna amplifier. I am using a distribution amp that separately powers the GPS antenna so did not take this into consideration. If you try the PAD, measure the voltage output of the pad to make

Re: [time-nuts] Tboltmon AMU range

2013-07-23 Thread Björn
Hi Russ AMU is a Trimble invented quality unit. I once heard a professor describe it as "A Meaningless Unit". The Tbolt can change between AMU and dBc. With your range, the Tbolt has been switched to dBC, it is not showing AMUs. Approaching 50 with your high elevation SVs is excellent. You have

Re: [time-nuts] 10811 Outer oven controller schematic

2013-07-23 Thread paul swed
Can popped open pretty easily. Now to start to measure voltages to see if things are within tolerance. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:22 PM, paul swed wrote: > Hello to the group. > As the various posts mention pulling the outer oven and taped wire off is > a job. But thats done. > The Osc is 45 Hz

Re: [time-nuts] distirbuted sync

2013-07-23 Thread Chris Albertson
I don't think those requirements are hard. You can build a system that works in three cases 1) GPS is available full time 2) GPS is available intermittently. 3) there is not GPS system, world war III has destroyed it. I think what you want is a system that is failure tolerant and can make use of

Re: [time-nuts] distirbuted sync

2013-07-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi Jim, On 23/07/13 16:55, Jim Lux wrote: Starting a new thread... Good idea! Brian wrote: Have you considered WWVB? Works fine within structures. Even though the carrier today is phase modulated one can probably glean 1 ms accuracy from it or the data transmitted. -- disasters occur world

Re: [time-nuts] Interesting (meaningless?) measurement.

2013-07-23 Thread Brian Alsop
The standard deviation using the 5335 internal oscillator is 0.39 nS. Regards Brian On 7/23/2013 11:32, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <51ee68ce.6090...@nc.rr.com>, Brian Alsop writes: Good, bad or meaningless? On grounds of principle I will say "probably meaningless" until I see you r

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 18 behavior

2013-07-23 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 23/07/13 05:55, Jim Lux wrote: On 7/21/13 6:42 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: I think the way to keep the sensors in sync is to use the same method they use to keep cell towers in sync. Basically each tower has a GPS receiver and also a good local oscillator. The GPS disciplines the oscillator an

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 18 behavior

2013-07-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 7/23/13 4:51 AM, Scott McGrath wrote: Thanks Jim Was not aware that <10 Ghz signals could penetrate so deeply. I work for a enterprise wifi company on the RF side and one of our key challenges is signal attenuation/distortion by building materials Any pointers to papers on this? there's

Re: [time-nuts] GPS 18 behavior

2013-07-23 Thread Scott McGrath
Thanks Jim Was not aware that <10 Ghz signals could penetrate so deeply. I work for a enterprise wifi company on the RF side and one of our key challenges is signal attenuation/distortion by building materials Any pointers to papers on this? I did know that /tvb was using seismic sensors but