Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/29/13 9:09 AM, David J Taylor wrote: FYI: Yet another use for GPS timing signals is proposed: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/28/a-marshall-mcluhan-approach-to-weather-forecasting/ == It's already been done! GPS occultation sensors have been fitted

Re: [time-nuts] GPS usable for weather forecasting?

2013-03-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/29/13 2:36 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: COSMIC and (coming soon) COSMIC-2 also do GPS occultation. Yes, but COSMIC is not a constellation of 12 satellites and it is not as cheap either. These guys want to put up 12 satellites at a total cost of only $160M COSMIC-2 is a constellation of

Re: [time-nuts] OT - DC-10 gyros

2013-03-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/27/13 3:20 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Eight ohms at 28 volts would be just a bit under 4 amps. It's also right at 100 watts. I'd be very surprised it you need anywhere near that much current. You probably want a pure sine wave to keep everything happy. A lot of the simple inverters are sort of

Re: [time-nuts] Brooks Shera

2013-03-25 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/24/13 8:22 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 7:34 PM, EB4APL eb4...@cembreros.jazztel.es wrote: I wanted to build a GPSDO using the Brooks Shera design since I read the QST article. I asked him in Jan 2009 about his source code, because I wanted to change the PIC to a

Re: [time-nuts] Are there any rubidiums programmahttps://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inboxble to 40 MHz?

2013-03-25 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/25/13 7:17 AM, David Kirkby wrote: I'm possibly looking for a 40 MHz source and I know some of the rubidiums are programmable. But can any of the affordable ones be programmed to work at 40.0 MHz? I was looking for a source to drive this 144 MHz - 10 GHz transceiver.

Re: [time-nuts] Are there any rubidiums programmahttps://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inboxble to 40 MHz?

2013-03-25 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/25/13 8:27 AM, David Kirkby wrote: On 25 March 2013 14:36, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 3/25/13 7:17 AM, David Kirkby wrote: The TCXO oscillator is off the board and a separate item, but costs £40 and then one ideally wants to lock that to a more precise source. The oscillator

Re: [time-nuts] Win XP and NIST Time

2013-03-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/23/13 7:27 AM, J. Forster wrote: I think the date for the DST time change were altered some years ago, hence the Win SW messes up. I keep the 'puter clock on local time for convenience, and switch because eBay does. I am only concerned with roughly accurate local time. For the last few

Re: [time-nuts] Is possible precise 1pps?

2013-03-13 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/13/13 7:06 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi A GPS that uses position hold gets it's coordinates from one of two possible sources: 1) You measure the actual antenna location with a precision survey grade GPS and enter them. --or-- 2) The GPS does a survey for some amount of time. It averages it's

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 104, Issue 37

2013-03-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/11/13 6:49 AM, James Peroulas wrote: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 17:37:13 -0700 From: gary li...@lazygranch.com To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] frequency reference for portable operation Message-ID: 513d2739.8030...@lazygranch.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;

[time-nuts] frequency reference for portable operation

2013-03-10 Thread Jim Lux
Asking here on behalf of a friend.. With respect to portable amateur microwave operation.. you want good close in phase noise (so you can use narrow band filters) AND good frequency accuracy (so you can find the signal) the typical operation is drive somewhere, operate a bit, drive

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-05 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/4/13 6:52 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Wouldn't it be easier to glue a fruit fly to the head of a pin and attach electrodes to its visual ganglia to detect the change in intensity of a segment of the display? Excuse me, just back from surgery and the anesthetic may have lingering effects.

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/3/13 1:00 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 657D7F7CC03849419A2A90752E6A60A6@pc52, Tom Van Baak writes: When playing with watches a while ago I tried to pick up any 32 kHz signal but failed. Those with 1 Hz stepper motors were

Re: [time-nuts] Don't use cheap cables -- a cautionary tale

2013-03-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/3/13 8:00 AM, Kevin Rosenberg wrote: On Mar 3, 2013, at 7:59 AM, John Ackermann j...@febo.com wrote: Lesson learned -- use only double-shielded cable in the oscillator rack (and in any RF measurement path) from now on. I've learned that lesson as well. John Miles said that RG-58 is

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/3/13 9:12 AM, EB4APL wrote: When LCD wristwatches became common in the seventies we, in the frequency and timing group of a space tracking facility, investigated the possibility of adjusting our new watches against our standard. We found that a a small copper plate, about 1 X 2 cm, resting

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/3/13 8:52 AM, cfo wrote: On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:33:02 -0800, Jim Lux wrote: I am interested in the timing behavior of my RSA fob, which changes every 60 seconds. Since I'm not about to open it up and probe inside, I was wondering if someone had a clever way, say using a USB web cam

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/3/13 10:09 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In message 51336234.3090...@earthlink.net, Jim Lux writes: Most LCD and LED clocks have a shielding metal-coating on the front glass, exactly to eliminate all EMI/EMC issues. Yes, but perhaps

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/3/13 10:47 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: It's not an e-field antenna. The goal is the sense the current in the LCD. My bet is no much of anything leaks out of that RSA device or a wrist watch either. You have to figure that tiny battery lasts for over a year and even if ALL the energy in

Re: [time-nuts] Don't use cheap cables -- a cautionary tale

2013-03-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/3/13 1:41 PM, DaveH wrote: Fahnestock clips? Alligator clips, of course. But, I looked through the connector catalogs and I didn't see any double shielded Fahnestock OR Alligator clips.. More seriously, you hook both shields to the shield of the connector. Unless you want to get

[time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
I am interested in the timing behavior of my RSA fob, which changes every 60 seconds. Since I'm not about to open it up and probe inside, I was wondering if someone had a clever way, say using a USB web cam, to log the changes over a 48 hour period. You'd point the web cam at the fob, and it

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/2/13 12:30 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: My fob only outputs a code on demand, that is after I push the button. Any of the motion detection programs that use webcams would detect the change in display, but with a multiplexed display, I'm not sure how well. Interesting point.. mine

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/2/13 1:10 PM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: I had one for work a while back and asked the IT security guys about it and was told that the change was on a fixed schedule but of course each fob was a little different due to temperature, over time, etc and that the system automatically learned the

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/2/13 1:29 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: If you think about it, there would have to be some time correction if only because these fobs can't be all that accurate in maintaining time. That is, they would be no better than a watch. I'm not so keen on wearing out the internal battery since

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/2/13 2:52 PM, Tom Van Baak wrote: Hi Jim, I had a similar challenge a while ago. I ended up capturing a 4-digit, 7-segment display with a USB/LAN webcam, converting the JPG to BMP, analyzing pixel gradients, matching the image with heuristic masks, and appending an ascii log file with the

Re: [time-nuts] webcam app to watch for and time stamp changes

2013-03-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 3/2/13 4:12 PM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 03/03/2013 01:00 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: Perhaps you can detect EMI from the device especially if you put it it a shielded metal box with pickup antenna. You might be able to get the clock right from that. Well, considering that actively driving

Re: [time-nuts] Off topic project sort of heart rate monitor NEED BEATS PRE MINUTE TO ANALOG VOLTAGE

2013-02-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/19/13 10:58 PM, Hendrik Dietrich wrote: Good morning Paul, First: I almost spilled my coffe as you bear a similar last name as a guy at a national research lab who does exactly such things :) Even when it makes your ECG preamplifier free for other things, I advise you to use another

Re: [time-nuts] Off topic project sort of heart rate monitor NEED BEATS PRE MINUTE TO ANALOG VOLTAGE

2013-02-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/19/13 4:58 PM, Paul Cianciolo wrote: Hello Folks, I am working on a project intended to convert an analog ECG signal to a voltage proportional the heart rate, The actual electrodes instrumentation amp is pretty much working fine so no worries there. The problem is, and here is where the

[time-nuts] Generation of pulse train with 1/4 noise

2013-02-15 Thread Jim Lux
I need to generate a sequence of pulses at around 1 Hz with a 1/f characteristic (human heartbeat, as it happens). I'd like to do this using software and a timer, so I'm looking for a clever algorithm using a random number generator to do it. I could take the phase noise spectrum and turn

Re: [time-nuts] Generation of pulse train with 1/4 noise

2013-02-15 Thread Jim Lux
uniform pulse rate. There's some faster cheap processors out there that I could drop in, as well: teensy3 with the 48MHz Cortex is pretty powerful. On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: I need to generate a sequence of pulses at around 1 Hz with a 1/f

Re: [time-nuts] Generation of pulse train with 1/4 noise

2013-02-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/15/13 5:37 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Ok, how about a nice simple table? Something in the 500 to 4K entries shouldn't repeat often enough to be noticeable. Each entry probably can be a byte. Bob Yes.. that might work.. Or, for that matter, I believe you could do it by randomly

Re: [time-nuts] Generation of pulse train with 1/4 noise

2013-02-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/15/13 6:21 AM, Bob Camp wrote: The timing does relate to multiple valves, so it's not quite as simple as a single rate. The time delta's for the other stuff are all pretty short, so you may or may not be planing to randomly drive them as well. It all depends on how fanatic you get about

Re: [time-nuts] lightweight webserver for, e.g., NTP widget

2013-02-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/11/13 10:20 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:04 PM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Anything which works on the Raspberry Pi must be fairly lightweight! G I don't think that basic Apache would be too much to manage, and many folk have used it:

Re: [time-nuts] lightweight webserver for, e.g., NTP widget

2013-02-12 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/12/13 10:11 AM, Didier Juges wrote: Before you know it, you are going to find that not having php (or Python, or Perl, or whatever your favorite scripting language is) is crippling. I recommend you bite the bullet and get a small ARM SBC big enough to run a full Linux distro. I use a

[time-nuts] lightweight webserver for, e.g., NTP widget

2013-02-11 Thread Jim Lux
I'm intrigued by the possibility of using a lightweight web server to provide a management/user interface to test equipment or appliances (e.g. like the NTP server recently discussed, or a box with mixers and counters). I've built some web interfaces to very small things using Arduinos and

Re: [time-nuts] Embedded NTP server ideas and feature requests

2013-02-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/10/13 12:40 AM, David J Taylor wrote: - although I've never used it, I do like Chris's suggestion of power over Ethernet. I see dozens of choices in Amazon's lists - is there a standard for the power adapter and level? [] == To clarify, now I've done a little

Re: [time-nuts] Embedded NTP server ideas and feature requests

2013-02-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/10/13 8:22 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:40 AM, David J Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: - although I've never used it, I do like Chris's suggestion of power over Ethernet. I see dozens of choices in Amazon's lists - is there a standard for the power

Re: [time-nuts] Smart fiber-optic cable ( a reference to Hp's smart clock )

2013-02-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/4/13 2:09 PM, Stanley wrote: If a fiber-optic cable had temperature sensors either installed with or embedded inside of this could make for better modeling changes in delay making more accurate transfer of time and frequency possible. With fiber to tower installs now under way to provide

Re: [time-nuts] Smart fiber-optic cable ( a reference to Hp's smart clock )

2013-02-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/4/13 2:39 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Consider that cost to manufacture the cable goes up as you put stuff in it. You not only need sensor packages, you also need to connect them so they can report data. Unless the sensors are optically powered and linked, they would compromise the inherent

Re: [time-nuts] GPS at 60,000 feet

2013-02-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 2/2/13 5:07 AM, Grant Hodgson wrote: GPS has already flown in space several times; one of the well-publicized occurrences is when NASA sponsored an experiment to put a 6-channel Trimble receiver on the ill-fated AO-40 amateur radio satellite which launched in 2000. This satellite had a

Re: [time-nuts] GPS at 60,000 feet

2013-02-01 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/31/13 1:09 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: I know for sure my handheld Garmin works at 27000 feet, at 530mph... ...I was actually surprised it worked up there. It made me wonder what the actual limits are. What are the limits of your hand held unit or what are the limits of GPS in general.

Re: [time-nuts] question for expert time guys

2013-02-01 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/31/13 8:37 PM, Rick Harold wrote: To time experts/EE's. I would like to triangulate a position of a device which moves using 3 fixed positions devices of known location. The idea is to have these operate on 915mhz or 434mhz or 2.4ghz or appropriate frequency. These two type of devices

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-01-30 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/30/13 8:28 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: For once the best is also cheap: Batteries. But not all batteries are the same. You want one with low internal resistance, so a lead acid flooded battery will be the best. Most NiCd have very low internal resistance.. much lower than lead acid.

[time-nuts] GPIB, Proloigix, cables

2013-01-27 Thread Jim Lux
I spent a couple frustrating hours debugging a test setup with programmable power supplies and counters (to make automated measurements of freq/Vtune on some VCOs, as well as Vsupply pushing) I'm using something hacked from the sample Python code and the Prologix Ethernet device (which has

Re: [time-nuts] OT, looking for a good science forum

2013-01-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/26/13 11:23 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM, J. Forster j...@quikus.com wrote: Unless you are doing fundamental physics research, are you sure you need a cryo temperature standard? You are right. What I asked I should have said that 1% accuracy would be good

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB, Proloigix, cables

2013-01-27 Thread Jim Lux
: http://prologix.biz/gpib-ethernet-1.2-faq.html Regards, Abdul -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lux Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:16 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject

Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix

2013-01-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/27/13 9:30 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB for critical test equipment was pretty much banned here years ago. Why the proscription against USB? Because of difficulty with USB

Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix

2013-01-27 Thread Jim Lux
or 100s of millisecond timing and shoving data back and forth.. On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: On 1/27/13 9:30 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: At work we simply use multi port serial cards (*no* USB intermediary) or Ethernet to serial adapters. Any use of USB

Re: [time-nuts] Needed: The Real Serial USB Fix

2013-01-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/27/13 11:28 AM, Peter Gottlieb wrote: It came down to startup issues. If every fifth time the system was turned on it wouldn't initialize properly and not see an airflow or whatever sensor, it required the calling of a tech from the test group to come over and get it going. We run Labview

Re: [time-nuts] One Kg Quartz Resonator

2013-01-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/24/13 7:24 AM, Mike S wrote: On 1/23/2013 3:34 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 01/23/2013 02:32 AM, Mike S wrote: Can you have a Cs under zero acceleration and at zero temperature, the only conditions for which the second is defined? Since most metric units are derived from the definition

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather survey accuracy

2013-01-24 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/24/13 8:13 AM, John Nelson wrote: I hesitate to ask this question on here since it's perhaps more one for position-nuts rather than time-nuts. My excuse is that it involves a Thunderbolt ;-) I've been a happy user of a Thunderbolt for a while as an accurate time and frequency source but

Re: [time-nuts] Better gps antennas than a Symmetricom 58532A

2013-01-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/23/13 12:41 AM, Hal Murray wrote: mspencer12...@yahoo.ca said: This URL goes into some of the issues involved in using 75 ohm coax in a gps system. I do acknowledge that several GPS manufacturers have promoted the use of 75 ohm coax so some of the conclusions might be arguable.. If the

Re: [time-nuts] Is there any way to use a TIC to measure time of reflection on a PCB?

2013-01-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/23/13 6:48 AM, David Kirkby wrote: There's a fairly interesting (to me at least), discussion on an Agilent forum devoted to the calibration of vector network analyzers. http://www.home.agilent.com/owc_discussions/thread.jspa?threadID=34809tstart=0 The title of the thread is Coefficients

Re: [time-nuts] Better gps antennas than a Symmetricom 58532A

2013-01-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/23/13 7:26 AM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: For a single frequency use like GPS, the impedance should be close to the target. It is true for scanners and such, 50 ohms is quite nominal. (This notion of DC to daylight and maintaining 50 ohms is fantasy. ) But for a GPS, you know exactly

Re: [time-nuts] Better gps antennas than a Symmetricom 58532A

2013-01-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/23/13 8:50 PM, Jim Lux wrote: On 1/23/13 7:26 AM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: For a single frequency use like GPS, the impedance should be close to the target. It is true for scanners and such, 50 ohms is quite nominal. (This notion of DC to daylight and maintaining 50 ohms is fantasy

Re: [time-nuts] Better gps antennas than a Symmetricom 58532A

2013-01-23 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/23/13 9:45 PM, li...@lazygranch.com wrote: I doubt the impedance would be designed so nobody gets a right match. Anyway, the geometric mean, which is how you would do such a compromise is 61.24 ohms. I suspect that it's more like.. the mfr builds a prototype that has the right

Re: [time-nuts] Better gps antennas than a Symmetricom 58532A

2013-01-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/21/13 10:59 PM, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote: RG-6 used for satellite TV has much lower loss than RG-58, and is much cheaper and easier to work with than Heliax or LMR400. And has a foil shield (if not multiples) with 100% coverage. ___

Re: [time-nuts] LHCP patch antenna

2013-01-22 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/22/13 9:08 AM, Joe Leikhim wrote: John; You might look into building your own, _scaling up_ from a G3RUH design (2.4 GHz) note that they were illuminating a 60 cm dish in those experiments, that's not a very big reflector for 12.5 cm wavelength at 2.4 GHz. not even 5 lambda. I'm not

Re: [time-nuts] LHCP patch antenna

2013-01-21 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/21/13 9:14 AM, jmfranke wrote: Would anyone happen to have a LHCP patch antenna, with or without preamp, they would be willing to sell? I want to use it as the feed for a 4 foot diameter F: 0.375 dish antenna for a dedicated WAAS receiving set up. why a patch? Patches are nice when

Re: [time-nuts] More GPS troubles

2013-01-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/17/13 6:22 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Most cheap GPS's these days have user friendly firmware update capability. That's been true for quite a while. I'd be amazed if the higher end stuff didn't make updates an easy thing. Bugs in GPS code are not exactly uncommon. The real issue is the need

Re: [time-nuts] OT - USB to LPT Adapter - Does it exist?

2013-01-11 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/11/13 7:00 AM, Nathaniel Bezanson wrote: J. L. Trantham wrote: Is there a way to connect a parallel port to a computer via USB? Not a device that shows up as 'USB Print Support' but, instead, shows up in Device Manager as an LPT port? I have been able to do it via PCMCIA to Parallel Port

Re: [time-nuts] single board PCs

2013-01-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/6/13 8:56 PM, gary wrote: There is an open source equivalent of Matlab called Octave. Yes..we use it too, and for anyone who uses Matlab, Octave is nice to have as well. For instance, we have a centralized license server for Matlab, and if you're incommunicado, you're stuck, but with

Re: [time-nuts] single board PCs

2013-01-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/6/13 9:26 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: Precisely.. but I'd just as soon not be in the PC integration business, finding boards to plug into a mobo, etc. I was wondering what folks have used (or seen used) in this sort of usage model. Google for embedded PC and/or

[time-nuts] matlab, python, etc.

2013-01-07 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/7/13 4:30 AM, Bob Camp wrote: HI Well if you are getting it done in seconds on Matlab, then you likely don't need Matlab very badly. Around here a typical Matlab setup is indeed CPU bound for a *lot* longer than that during a normal work day. Two or three hours a day is not at all

Re: [time-nuts] single board PCs

2013-01-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/6/13 5:43 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: There is not hottest ticket. It depends on what you need. The TI launch pad is less then $5 shipped which makes it really popular. Somehow I suspect the MSP430 launchpad won't run windows/Linux and Matlab, eh? If you need loots of compute power

Re: [time-nuts] single board PCs

2013-01-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/6/13 5:52 PM, gary wrote: This might be a good place to start looking. http://beagleboard.org/project/BeagleTick/ I got a beagleboard mx, but it is for a different project. I'm not up to speed on it enough to comment if this is the best solution. I can tell you the hardware design and

Re: [time-nuts] single board PCs

2013-01-06 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/6/13 6:09 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Ummm, er you want to run Matlab and you are likely paying $100 an hour to whom ever is waiting on the machine. My *guess* is that a micro board of what ever flavor will do an arbitrary Matlab run in maybe 30 days. Yes. But any of a zillion PC clones

Re: [time-nuts] 10 MHz - 16 MHz clock multiplier

2013-01-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/4/13 10:25 AM, Rick Karlquist wrote: Chris Albertson wrote: My question is about the phase noise of the final 16MHz signal. Do crystal filters clean up the signal. It seems that after several 16MHz crystals in series the output should look a lot like an XO. For offsets out to 100 Hz

Re: [time-nuts] YIG oscillators

2013-01-04 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/4/13 11:34 AM, Ed Palmer wrote: They are neat toys, aren't they? :-) I discovered them a couple of years ago. Since then I've collected a few from ebay to play with. They're oddball units with no documentation, but they weren't too hard to decipher. I even cobbled together a phase-lock

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-03 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/3/13 12:53 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In general, you should reuse as much code as you can, life is too short to write another UDP checksum subroutine. You captured it exactly.. The thrill of implementing sin() is long past. Heck, I'd be happy with something that ran

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/2/13 11:37 AM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: Actually, the OS is not important, floating point support is. floating point support in the sense that the compiler supports it and generates appropriate code to use software FP or hardware FP as available? Or you need HW floating point for

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/2/13 4:46 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi That's the point I've been trying to make for about a month now. At some point, for a hobby project, the cost of the CPU becomes irrelevant. In my book, once the CPU goes below the price of lunch at McDonalds, it really doesn't matter much. yes..

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/2/13 5:34 PM, Tom Harris wrote: +1 for Forth! +1 for your opinions on PICs AVRs. We can buy low end NXP ARM Cortex M0 chips (e.g. LPC1113) for less than the PIC18 we were using before, and it has a real compiler and (unlike the real world) evidence of intelligent design! Do you really

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2013-01-01 Thread Jim Lux
On 1/1/13 12:16 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message aa21d17c-0ff4-4b22-b3a3-43ac2b9da...@rtty.us, Bob Camp writes: I'm not bashing the Arm parts, [...] They worry about every uA of current drain True story: Many years ago when the very first ARM silicon arrived and they started

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 101, Issue 152

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/30/12 8:28 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Indeed, there will always be some EMF into the EFC from some field. You can never really get rid of a loop with some cross section in the EFC circuit. Most of us don't get to worry about 1x10^-16 at 1,000 seconds on our OCXO's…. Yes. I think it's not

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 101, Issue 152

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/31/12 12:55 AM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: When designing the system to do coherent two way ranging to the Juno spacecraft orbiting Jupiter, we found that the rotating magnetic field (because the spacecraft spins at 2RPM in Jupiter's magnetic field) was enough to

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 101, Issue 152

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/31/12 7:56 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I suspect that your ion standard will have some issues from magnetic field. Quartz it's self has no magnetic sensitivity. Most atomic gizmos have sensitivity as part of their basic physics. yes.. shielding of the physics package is part of the

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 101, Issue 152

2012-12-31 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/31/12 8:13 AM, Magnus Danielson wrote: On 31/12/12 16:56, Bob Camp wrote: Hi I suspect that your ion standard will have some issues from magnetic field. Quartz it's self has no magnetic sensitivity. Most atomic gizmos have sensitivity as part of their basic physics. All atomic clocks

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 101, Issue 152

2012-12-30 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/30/12 11:35 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:53:51 -0800 Said Jackson saidj...@aol.com wrote: Volker, I wonder if you also see fan-induced spurs in the phase noise from 1Hz to 100Hz. I would not be surprised if the fan vibration adds significant spurs to the 10811A

Re: [time-nuts] time-nuts Digest, Vol 101, Issue 152

2012-12-30 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/30/12 8:03 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi They are using some pretty major fields in that paper. As they point out, high level tests likely do not extrapolate well to low level performance. Their data shows the impact diminishing quickly as the field drops. If you accept their 1x10^-11 per

Re: [time-nuts] Strange GPS behaviour

2012-12-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/28/12 9:14 PM, Michael Perrett wrote: Bob, That is simply not accurate - if the solution rate is 1/second, then all parameters are solved in that time frame. There are 4 indpendent variables and minimal processing power is required to solve all four equations. Although I am not very

Re: [time-nuts] Strange GPS behaviour

2012-12-29 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/29/12 6:34 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi The gotcha is that often the navigation and timing receivers are identical in terms of hardware. There is no upgraded hardware in the timing device. When you put a receiver into position hold, you are telling it I don't care about the location

Re: [time-nuts] clock-block any need ?

2012-12-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/27/12 11:48 AM, Attila Kinali wrote: On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:30:37 -0800 Jim Lux jim...@earthlink.net wrote: So, what about the USB-Ethernet dongles? (I use them a lot at work to add a second interface for a laptop in test equipment setups, talking to a Prologix, for instance) A lot

Re: [time-nuts] clock-block any need ?

2012-12-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/28/12 7:56 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi Everything I've seen on the Adruino are single chip wonders. They encapsulate the entire TCP/IP stack on the external chip. That will make getting at anything pretty tough. Well, they also do UDP..(at least the Wiznet 5100 does).. I was wondering if

Re: [time-nuts] An embedded NTP server

2012-12-28 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/28/12 9:34 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:36 AM, Hal Murray hmur...@megapathdsl.net wrote: One idea that I like is to first get a large FPGA. Then you load in a soft CPU and then you run an OS and NTP on the soft CPU. Inside the softCPU the counter is

Re: [time-nuts] clock-block any need ?

2012-12-27 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/27/12 11:17 AM, Chris Albertson wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Dennis Ferguson dennis.c.fergu...@gmail.com wrote: The reason you can't distribute ns level time over a network to normal NTP clients is because of the random queing that happens inside the client's ethernet

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-21 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/20/12 11:16 PM, Hal Murray wrote: Can you create an executable for windows? I know next to nothing about Windows. (and don't have access to any Windows machines) Others have reported that Python works on Windows. I use python all the time on Windows (and unchanged from Python

Re: [time-nuts] What time...

2012-12-20 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/20/12 11:57 AM, David McGaw wrote: The Mayan calendar, if that is what you are talking about, rolls over at the solstice - Dec. 21, 2012 11:12 UTC. Hunt back in the archives a couple days... The long count rollover isn't solstice linked.. it's just a sequential day count (think

Re: [time-nuts] OT: Mayans

2012-12-19 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/19/12 4:12 PM, Sanjeev Gupta wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 1:28 AM, Tom Knox act...@hotmail.com wrote: Does anyone have ideas on how I can trigger my camera to capture the end of the world roll over on my clocks. I need to know something even more basic: Did the Mayans correct for

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/18/12 12:23 AM, Gerhard Hoffmann wrote: Am 18.12.2012 03:01, schrieb David: That is the stuff but Tektronix had some with an even smaller diameter. It would be nice to have a new source as I would hate to cannibalize oscilloscopes for it. Could be Sage Wireline. Also used for couplers

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-18 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 11:21 PM, Hal Murray wrote: Cond. Material Magnet Wire Helix (What is magnet wire, and what does helix mean and how does it effect coax?) Magnet wire is enamelled wire (usually copper). I'm familiar with that usage, but I don't know why it's interesting in the context

[time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
You knew it would be coming.. A discussion over lunch brought up the question of precisely WHEN this Maya calendar rollover/civilization ending event would occur. It's not enough to just say dec 21st.. Does the event occur at the beginning of the day, end of the day, in which local time

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 12:03 PM, Don Latham wrote: And it's on my birthday, too. So should I open my presents at breakfast instead of dinnertime/ Will I get cake??? :-) merry Christmas to all of you... As the sun rises over the heel stone at Stonehenge, I should think.. After all: In ancient times...

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 12:33 PM, kevin.bi...@qc.cuny.edu wrote: In the ethnographic record, the solstice is not a point in time, but the day of the sun's shortest path. I'm not sure of what the start of the day was. The Mayan word for day, kin, seems to refer to the entire movement of the sun from

Re: [time-nuts] MesoAmerican calendars, Solstice, etc.

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 4:02 PM, Mark Sims wrote: BTW, Lady Heather has support for several versions of the Mayan and Aztec calendars. Also Druid, Herbrew, Islamic, Indian, and many others. so we can have a GPS disciplined rollover of the long count?

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 5:39 PM, David wrote: I wish there was an source for helically wound shielded differential transmission line like the type used in later analog oscilloscopes. The only place I know where to find it is oscilloscope part mules. You mean RG65

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-17 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/17/12 9:40 PM, Hal Murray wrote: jim...@earthlink.net said: You mean RG65 http://www.awcwire.com/ProductSpec.aspx?id=M17/ 34-RG65-Coaxial-Cable or RG186 http://www.awcwire.com/ProductSpec.aspx?id=RG1 86-Coaxial-Cable Interesting stuff. Thanks. RG-65 says no longer available. It also

Re: [time-nuts] Cell timing error

2012-12-15 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/15/12 2:16 PM, Scott McGrath wrote: In a prior life we had a CDMA timing receiver for NTP which used VZ for its source On Dec 15, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Graham / KE9H time...@austin.rr.com wrote: You should switch to Verizon. They are inherently accurate to milliseconds. Sub micro-seconds

Re: [time-nuts] Comparing PPS from 2 GPS units

2012-12-14 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/14/12 8:47 PM, Hal Murray wrote: saidj...@aol.com said: Time-Nuts, anyone willing to write this for the benefit of all? Does python run on Windows? If so, give me samples of input data and what you want as output. Sure.. there's several flavors.. I use Active Python

Re: [time-nuts] Of possible interest

2012-12-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/9/12 10:14 PM, DaveH wrote: http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/325731,researchers-find-crippling-flaws-in -global-gps.aspx ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Of possible interest

2012-12-10 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/9/12 10:14 PM, DaveH wrote: http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/325731,researchers-find-crippling-flaws-in -global-gps.aspx ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to

Re: [time-nuts] Cinox source

2012-12-09 Thread Jim Lux
On 12/9/12 5:38 PM, Bob Camp wrote: HI Princeton was part of EGG for quite a while. EGG bought out Perkin Elmer in the 90's. The EGG name was not as warm and fuzzy as Perkin Elmer. The switched over the name of the combined company to Perkin Elmer a bit after they got together. P-E is also

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