Re: [time-nuts] T-Bolt Mon and Windows 7

2013-04-21 Thread John Miles
> I guess I'll forgo the "pleasures" of WIN7 and stick with my XP Laptop. > Maybe some day it will different. It'll work fine under Window 7 and 8 (I use Windows 7 x64 to develop, while my LH monitor is an older laptop with Win2K.) > BTW, I tried a "Beta" version of Lady Heather, when I try to ex

Re: [time-nuts] Building a Agilent Cross Correlated Phase Noise Measurement System.

2013-03-30 Thread John Miles
Oops, sorry, I read "70820" for "70420," disregard that last link. -- john, KE5FX Miles Design LLC > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Miles > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2

Re: [time-nuts] Building a Agilent Cross Correlated Phase Noise Measurement System.

2013-03-30 Thread John Miles
Hi, Tom -- A paper in the 2010 EFTF described the use of a pair of 11848A boxes from the 3048A system, which is similar to the E5500 hardware ( http://www.congrex.nl/EFTF_Proceedings/Papers/Session_14_Oscillators_and_Noi se/14_04_Bale.pdf ). You could ping those authors if you haven't already. Al

Re: [time-nuts] LH web traffic

2013-03-24 Thread John Miles
It has caused a lot of confusion, admittedly. That's why, in the more recent releases, I changed the label on the icon to "KE5FX TBolt (Seattle, USA)." But it seems that's still not enough of a hint, because people still write me from various countries asking why their Thunderbolt's location is o

Re: [time-nuts] frequency reference for portable operation

2013-03-11 Thread John Miles
> > > > With most modern lightweight Rb's the OCXO is integrated into the same > heater block as the physics package. That makes it a bit tough to heat one > without heating the other. . > > On LPROs the OCXO sits on the opposite side of the board. Pretty sure that's not an OCXO. If it is, it's

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for TimePod 5330A for purchase or rental

2013-03-03 Thread John Miles
> It was my impression that the Symmetricom device and the Miles device > were identical in performance / capabilities. The issue with the > Symmetricom device is that you unlock features on a "cost per feature" > basis. If there are other capability limits past that, that's very bad news. > The

Re: [time-nuts] Don't use cheap cables -- a cautionary tale

2013-03-03 Thread John Miles
I do like the strain reliefs on the Pomona cables, but the cables themselves are leaky as expected. A couple of points: 1) If you don't have any other signal sources in your environment that are close to your measurement frequency but not coherent with it, you'll probably be OK with single-shield

Re: [time-nuts] Newbie question about thunderbolts

2013-02-27 Thread John Miles
Sounds like a bad OCXO. The crystal frequency jumps slightly, and the disciplining loop then has to compensate by steering the DAC voltage through the loop filter. If that's the problem it may get better if you leave it running for a few more weeks. The smoking gun is the attack/decay character

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB counter logging / plotting software?

2013-02-25 Thread John Miles
I'm not sure about the Racal, but the HP 5345A can be placed into talk-only mode and used to stream readings to TimeLab in "Acquire->Acquire from counter in talk-only mode" . JohnA's link is the right one to use. The advantage to trying it with the HP 5345A is that I have one around here, so I ca

Re: [time-nuts] Systematic noise

2013-02-13 Thread John Miles
> Tom, > > On 02/13/2013 05:04 AM, Tom Van Baak wrote: > > Magnus, > > > > Two things to check. > > > > 1) Is the bump you see at all correlated to the relative frequency between > the two oscillators? I have seen this when comparing two ULN, for example. > You can make the bump move left or right

Re: [time-nuts] Low noise power supplies?

2013-02-01 Thread John Miles
out the 1.4V drop across the Darlington, just the resulting noise. -- john Miles Design LLC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] 5120A and PM singal

2013-01-14 Thread John Miles
3 of http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/N9068-90005.pdf , for example. -- john Miles Design LLC > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Azelio Boriani > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:33 AM > To: D

Re: [time-nuts] ensemble oscillators for better stability

2012-12-30 Thread John Miles
izers is used to downconvert a much quieter 400 MHz source for measurement at 9 MHz. In principle you can indeed use a pair of $10 TCXOs as references to measure arbitrarily low-noise DUTs, but you may need to run the measurement for days or weeks.

Re: [time-nuts] ensemble oscillators for better stability

2012-12-30 Thread John Miles
52A/B literature, the TSC 5120A-01 manual and white paper by Sam Stein, and Enrico Rubiola's book/website. -- john Miles Design LLC > On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Bruce Griffiths < > bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > Tom Knox wrote: > > > >> Du

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA Software

2012-12-20 Thread John Miles
LL is sort of an intermediate solution, aimed at being as simple as possible while still being useful in real-world programs. (Run GPS.EXE without any options to see the current usage notes.) -- john Miles Design LLC > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:t

Re: [time-nuts] noisy varactor diodes

2012-12-19 Thread John Miles
I thought I had a schematic for that one around here somewhere but can't seem to find it at the moment... -- john Miles Design LLC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

Re: [time-nuts] noisy varactor diodes

2012-12-19 Thread John Miles
ptom isn't one that I've been observing. > John I could not see the info you refered to? Here's a direct link to the attachment: http://www.ke5fx.com/5065a.png -- john Miles Design LLC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com

Re: [time-nuts] DMTI and Timelab setup

2012-12-12 Thread John Miles
Hi, Luciano -- The sampling interval would be whatever rate the counter is returning readings, as usual. I usually let the acquisition driver estimate the rate, unless I know it's exactly one reading per second. In frequency mode, the scale factor should be 1E-6. You need the program to treat

Re: [time-nuts] Real YIG data was: YIG oscillator drift question

2012-12-11 Thread John Miles
Neat data set! This says a lot about the stability of your HP supply. The choice of current-sense element makes a big difference in a YIG driver circuit, and most wirewound resistors fall into the "Don't ask" category. Would be interesting to try the same test with one of the cheap Chinese pow

Re: [time-nuts] Very challenging phase noise measurement, does anyone have an idea??

2012-12-05 Thread John Miles
or mixer, otherwise I'd use an analog quadrature PLL. -- john Miles Design LLC > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Adrian > Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 4:40 PM > To: Discussion of precise t

Re: [time-nuts] 3120A Phase Noise Test Probe

2012-12-02 Thread John Miles
Thanks, guys! Sorry about the price increase, that wasn't my doing. :) -- john, KE5FX > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 4:33 PM > To: Time-Nuts > Subject: Re: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive modular gps with 1pps

2012-11-15 Thread John Miles
rt on the other. Fortunately the LEA-6H's USB output worked great when I added the cable. -- john Miles Design LLC > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 4:10 PM >

Re: [time-nuts] Recommended parameters for Timelab ADEV analysis

2012-11-14 Thread John Miles
asuring. For best ADEV fidelity you'd want to use TI measurements rather than frequency measurements, but frequency measurements are obviously much easier to set up. They can give you a good overall idea of what's going on. -- john Miles Design LLC > -Original Message- &

Re: [time-nuts] HP 10811 Tuning Diode

2012-10-18 Thread John Miles
That's extremely interesting, Adrian. I've never heard of a noisy varactor, but then I've never looked for one, either. It'd be great if some of the problems that have been blamed on jumping crystals were in fact caused by the tuning diode. What steps did you take to rule out the crystal and nar

Re: [time-nuts] 5071A Cs oven

2012-10-04 Thread John Miles
I bought a couple of 5071As on eBay recently, on the basis that the various status messages shown in the auctions didn't look like tube failures. They both reported Cs oven voltages at 0.0. The first unit turned out to have a severe intermittent noise problem, originating somewhere other than th

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather on Laptop

2012-09-27 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jerry > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:08 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather on Laptop > > I am using a dedicated fast pro9cessor laptop but Lady

Re: [time-nuts] Datum Lamp Voltage

2012-08-28 Thread John Miles
>From what I've seen, peaking the lamp voltage with the trimmer capacitor on an LPro does not improve the stability. It may even get a bit worse. This was the case on a couple of different units; I didn't investigate further. -- john, KE5FX www.miles.io > -Original Message- > From: tim

Re: [time-nuts] T-Bolt output harmonics

2012-08-12 Thread John Miles
> >10MHz +9dbm > >20MHz-50dbm > >30MHz -37dbm > >no obvious higher harmonics > >broad noise envelope at 60 > 75MHz @ -60dbm peak > > > >Are these results typical or might I have an adjustment or other problem? I seem to have missed the part where it's explained why anyone cares about the

Re: [time-nuts] FTS 1200

2012-08-09 Thread John Miles
> John > Oven did reduce in current and I can not imagine that it would be that > close with an overheated oven. At 0 V it is within .5 Hz of what they normally > are. Ground has no effect but even 0.8 V on pin 2 stops oscillation That's a suspicious-sounding voltage. Are you sure you're not forw

Re: [time-nuts] FTS 1200

2012-08-09 Thread John Miles
> In a message dated 8/9/2012 8:07:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > b...@lysator.liu.se writes: > > Hi Bert, > > So the EFC does not work at all? (or did I miss something obvious?) > > /Björn > > > The unit starts high and over 20 minutes comes down to 4.975 with 0 V > > on the EFC. Any

Re: [time-nuts] Cross-Correlation Results

2012-08-05 Thread John Miles
> Yup... I'm still playing with the screenshots from TimeLab; on my machine by > default they come out at 13xx pixels wide, and I usually size to about 700 > wide for web display. As an experiment, I tried using the "WIDTH" and > "HEIGHT" options in the IMG SRC tag, setting to a percentage rather

Re: [time-nuts] Cross-Correlation Results

2012-08-05 Thread John Miles
> would an AD measurement also benefit from Cross-Correlation or would we > need > 2 cross correlated disciplined ocxos for that? Being able to measure AD > below that of a single reference would be a dream which could help a lot in > avoiding to buy a H2 maser for low AD at all taus. Unfortunatel

Re: [time-nuts] Cross-Correlation Results

2012-08-04 Thread John Miles
> They have their own cross-correlation system; it's not highly automated but > claims -190 dBc/Hz capability: > http://www.wenzel.com/pdffiles1/PNTS%201000/BP-1000-CC.pdf Yes, this is equivalent to the "dual HP 3048A" technique. An inelegant weapon from a less-civilized age but still, you re

Re: [time-nuts] Cross-Correlation Results

2012-08-04 Thread John Miles
> Magnus inspired me to try my own cross-correlation experiment with the > TimePod today. I used two fairly normal OCXO frequency standards as the > reference, and a Wenzel 5 MHz ULN as the device under test. > > By doing single-reference measurements of each OCXO versus the ULN, I > was able to

Re: [time-nuts] Crosscorrelation phase noise measurements

2012-08-02 Thread John Miles
> > I've heard and read some documents about using cross-correlation using > two distinct reference oscillators when trying to measure the phase > noise from a source to reduce the influence of the reference > oscillators phase noise. > > Unfortunately, it's still not exactly clear to me how it w

Re: [time-nuts] 5MHz ocxo- Opening Solder sealed cans

2012-07-28 Thread John Miles
> > I can't guarantee anything, but I'd be surprised if Fluxclene didn't > > do the trick: > > > > http://www.electrolube.com/docs/cleaningmain.asp?id=13 > > > Thanks I'll give it a try. Also try some naptha (sold as lighter fluid, or as a product called "Goof-Off.") -- john, KE5FX Miles Design L

Re: [time-nuts] Heather Problem..

2012-07-23 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of WB6BNQ > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 3:07 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Heather Problem.. > > Hi Bud, > > the /2 should be

Re: [time-nuts] Zero-Crossing Detector Design?

2012-07-20 Thread John Miles
> I see that from one way or the other, we always end up in a TimePod. OK, > then the TimePod has no comparator, no trigger but has A to D conversions. > Is the A/D conversion process supposed to be threshold-free? Hey, everybody needs at least one or two TimePods. :) You can use a TimePod or TS

Re: [time-nuts] disciplining sound card

2012-07-06 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Azelio Boriani > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 2:36 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] disciplining sound card > > Exactly: this

Re: [time-nuts] timelab

2012-07-04 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Ron Ward > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 10:12 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] timelab > > Hi: > I am also new and would

Re: [time-nuts] timelab

2012-07-04 Thread John Miles
> > The sample rate field in the dialog box is only used to tell TimeLab > > what > > the actual data rate is. The program doesn't alter the counter's > > controls > > at all. > > good. That will be very easy to do. Are there any tricks to use in your > prologix setup program? Meaning the one fr

Re: [time-nuts] timelab

2012-07-04 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Don Latham > Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2012 9:37 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] timelab > > Thanks, John. When I did the 1s

Re: [time-nuts] timelab

2012-07-04 Thread John Miles
Hi, Don -- You can view all of the measurement types (ADEV, MDEV, HDEV, TDEV, phase difference, frequency difference) regardless of whether you are acquiring TI or frequency data from the 5370. The performance floor will be somewhat better in TI mode, and long-term frequency chart readings will b

Re: [time-nuts] Is Timelab with a Prologix-Eth and a PM6680 - working ?

2012-07-03 Thread John Miles
> Ahhh ... Thanx now i know why my 1hr Trace Duration was so fast. > I assumed that Timelab would set the sampling interval written in Timelab > via GPIB. But i'll just select 1sec manually. That can be a bit confusing. The TimeLab drivers for GPIB counters don't attempt to program the counter in

Re: [time-nuts] HP-5065a advise and purchase decision

2012-07-01 Thread John Miles
Shhh, I was hoping he'd succeed in his apparent attempt to drive 5065A prices down, so I can round up a few more for myself! $78 is a great price for an LPRO-101, certainly, but you can't compare them to the HP rubidiums. The latter's specs (as well as its "secs") are vastly better. Edgard

Re: [time-nuts] HP-5065a advise and purchase decision

2012-06-30 Thread John Miles
> Edgardo, > > I would think something in the $500 range for a working unit would be worth > considering, depending on options, condition, etc. Anything lower would be > better. More depending how 'addicted' you might be to these. Just to have it on record, anyone who is having trouble unloadin

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather V3.10 release

2012-06-20 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of mike cook > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:28 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather V3.10 release > > Le 21/06/2012 00:18, mike cook a écrit : > > > >

[time-nuts] Lady Heather V3.10 release

2012-06-20 Thread John Miles
Another long-awaited announcement: http://www.ke5fx.com/heather/readme.htm Highlights of V3.10: - No longer a beta! - Added support for Nortel NTGS50A-series receivers - Added support for Resolution-T and Resolution SMT receivers - Various other stuff added by Mark in the 18 months sinc

Re: [time-nuts] TimePod 5330A announcement/info (was TimePod, cross-correlation fun and measurements)

2012-06-18 Thread John Miles
> Hi John, > > Congratulations on a good design. Thanks! > Why the 78 MHz sample frequency ? Long story: it's mostly arbitrary, but at least with some ADCs, it's beneficial to spur performance if the first few dozen harmonics of the ADC clock rate and the most commonly-used test frequencies don

[time-nuts] TimePod 5330A announcement/info (was TimePod, cross-correlation fun and measurements)

2012-06-17 Thread John Miles
> I was recently reading the manual for the TimePod. It looks quite > nice. I'm curious as to the price. I haven't really done a formal "product announcement" on the list or anywhere else beyond the PTTI show last November, for two reasons. One is that the PTTI introduction led to a larger-than-

Re: [time-nuts] is there a cheap and simple way to measure OCXOs?

2012-05-30 Thread John Miles
> Unfortunately, although i have a reasonable park of measurement instruments, > none of them are in the precision range that i'd need to characterize > the 8663's. > > I have three oscilloscopes (analog 20MHz, digital 200MHz and 1GHz), > a cheap handheld frequency counter and a couple of multimet

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 4532 GPS receiver

2012-05-17 Thread John Miles
> Another artifact you can see is a small spur that can probably be blamed on > the flashing LED. The LED and its associated PCB traces is not far from the > DB-9 output jack. I actually thought it seemed to be blinking a little bit > faster than 1-pps, and sure enough you can see a small bump ar

Re: [time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 4532 GPS receiver

2012-05-17 Thread John Miles
> I saw that on eBay, it is great to see a fellow Time Nut won it. I would think > Phase Noise is excellent with the 8663, although I would prefer a version with > discrete SMA's on the outputs. It's not very quiet, unfortunately, but I'll bet this one would look better if I were to remove it from

[time-nuts] Oscilloquartz 4532 GPS receiver

2012-05-17 Thread John Miles
Just picked up an interesting piece of hardware on eBay that I hadn't encountered before, an Oscilloquartz 4532 GPS receiver as described here: http://www.oscilloquartz.com/index.php?pageid=37 It was selling for about the same price that Thunderbolts from China have been fetching, but it us

Re: [time-nuts] NIST Time and Frequency Metrology Seminar

2012-05-16 Thread John Miles
I'll be there as well. Glad to hear so many folks from the list are able to make the journey! -- john > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Magnus Danielson > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:54 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.

Re: [time-nuts] NTGS50AA, better than Thunderbolt

2012-05-03 Thread John Miles
order. Assuming it works, I'll get with Mark when it arrives and we'll put a new LH build together, based on whatever protocol documentation we can come up with. -- john Miles Design LLC ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.co

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread John Miles
It looks great, if we're talking about the zipped 150+ MB file. OCR never works 100%, but the originally rendered text seems to be intact everywhere, unlike cases where the scan program tries to replace it. Unfortunately some of the most confusing errors were part of the manual as originally pr

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Dave M > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 12:51 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable? > > > From: paul swed > > > Send it to didiers sit

Re: [time-nuts] 5370B Manual - Searchable?

2012-04-07 Thread John Miles
The large (129 MB) copy in the Manuals section of www.ko4bb.com is text-searchable. -- john > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 12:41 AM > To: Discussion of precise

Re: [time-nuts] Basic question re adev measurements

2012-03-26 Thread John Miles
It's a bit worse than that. The DUT and reference phase difference can't be allowed to exceed 50 ns per trigger interval, in the case where two ~10 MHz signals are being measured. If the frequencies disagree enough to create a phase slope greater than that -- meaning if they are more than 5E-8 *

Re: [time-nuts] HP 3586B Power Supply Failures

2012-03-21 Thread John Miles
> So I went through the entire instrument and came up with a list of all the > Sprague TVA electrolytics that I am going to replace as they are dated coded > 1983. > > So two questions. One, can I safely double the capacitance of the filter > capacitors? (I plan on using the 105C 10K hour high r

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency Counter Errors

2012-03-21 Thread John Miles
> The frequency is always at least >200 to 300Hz off between the two counters > and I don't know > which one to believe. You know the "man with 2 clocks" problem. > > Anyone have any idea what may be causing this? What are you measuring? Are both of the counters' inputs set to 50 ohms, and if so

Re: [time-nuts] DIY GPS/GLONASS project

2012-03-19 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of ehydra > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:59 PM > To: Tom Van Baak; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] DIY GPS/GLONASS project > > Yes, hi

[time-nuts] time-nuts] OP-Amps for 10MHz distribution...?

2012-03-01 Thread John Miles
Apologies if this is a dupe -- I'm not sure it ever made it to the list: > The attached plot indicates the phase noise performance obtainable with > a wideband FET (OPA653) input opamp. > With a 10MHz +9dBm input, the phase noise floor is around -163dBc/Hz at > 1kHz offset and around -154dBc/Hz at

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-26 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Tom Knox > Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 9:41 AM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair > > > Is this the paper you are speaking of? > Google:

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-26 Thread John Miles
> The other interesting thing in the paper is that the short term numbers > shown aren't into parts in the 13th. The ADEV plot in figure 3 doesn't exactly show the oscillator in its best light. The right side of the 'bathtub' is well beyond 1000 seconds with these parts, if you actually let them

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-25 Thread John Miles
> Are the specs at 5 MHz or at 10? They should be 6 db worse at 10 than at 5. Now that I'm looking back at the data sheet posted with the auction, they were indeed specified at 5 MHz. But even after the 6 dB penalty, their spec limits versus their real-world numbers are pretty marginal. Morion a

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair

2012-02-25 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Camp > Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:55 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A Repair > > Hi > > The spectr

Re: [time-nuts] Schematic capture, anyone?

2012-02-23 Thread John Miles
> I'll add another vote for Eagle. It is a German program written in > Unix, and ported to Windows. Therefore, you select the action > first then click on the object of the action. It takes some getting > used to. There has been a pattern of PC layout companies getting > cobbled up leaving you

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather on low power CPU/Linux?

2012-02-23 Thread John Miles
> I still haven't seen the source of LH or serial.exe , any hints ? server.cpp and the rest of the Heather sources are in the same directory as the .exe, normally c:\program files\heather or c:\program files (x86)\heather. (You basically end up with a copy of my development directory in that fold

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather on low power CPU/Linux?

2012-02-23 Thread John Miles
> This setup makes me able to connect LH from any machine to a TB. > But only one active connection is allowed at a time. > > So in practice i'm running the 2 x LH against the TB's on the mail-server. > And "VNC to the mailserver" if i want to see the LH's. If you use server.exe running on a PC m

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather on low power CPU/Linux?

2012-02-22 Thread John Miles
> > Being only a 500 MHz Geode CPU, there is not much power to work with. > Still, > > running Debian Linux with Wine allowed me to make LH work.. Wine may not be the best platform for a somewhat-nonstandard app like LH. Suggest buying a cheap laptop running Win2K at a hamfest for $50, and moving

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather on low power CPU/Linux?

2012-02-22 Thread John Miles
Are you running the v3 beta? I normally run the program 24/7 on a 300 MHz laptop here, acting as both a server for two Thunderbolts and a client. There were some improvements to CPU utilization in the current beta, and its UI response should be essentially instantaneous. -- john > -Original

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO phase noise

2012-02-13 Thread John Miles
> That is exactly my thinking, but I was looking for a second opinion :) > We have anyway asked Abracon for pn data on the 40MHz version to be > sure. Most likely, the PN improvement will be somewhat better than the expected 12 dB close to the carrier, and somewhat worse than expected (if you see

[time-nuts] ADEV noise bandwidth (was LPRO Rubidium Performance)

2012-02-12 Thread John Miles
> The ADEV difference of about 6 db at 1ms tau can be explained by the fact > that if I apply a 500 Hz LP filter to my 9600 sps raw data, the same filter > used on the 5120A's 1K sps data, then even our 1ms ADEV answers > become very close. > I have found that using a 1/2 zero tau BW filter like

Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89 output level?

2012-02-10 Thread John Miles
> Did you ever run any tests on those UCT double oven OCXOs? Only to the extent of running a short (10-minute) HDEV test after a ~2 hour warmup, to see if it was capable of anything interesting near t=10s to t=30s. It showed about 2E-12, and the PN was nothing special, so I didn't do anything

Re: [time-nuts] Low-Cost Rubidium Performance

2012-02-09 Thread John Miles
> Indeed, ADEV is for random freq variation not easily measured by other means. Well, no, ADEV is the two-sample deviation of fractional frequency differences over time. That's really all you can say about it. There's not really any such thing as "true ADEV" -- a measurement either meets the ma

Re: [time-nuts] Low-Cost Rubidium Performance

2012-02-09 Thread John Miles
> Important note: there's known to be a lot of variability among these > units, so my sample size of one or two each isn't a guarantee that your > unit will perform similarly. Neat. Your FE-5680 noise plots look just like the ones I took. Seems clear that this particular variant was meant for t

Re: [time-nuts] Why a 10MHz sinewave output?

2012-02-06 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of bob grant > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 12:41 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Why a 10MHz sinewave output? > > > Some

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium Performance

2012-02-05 Thread John Miles
(Sorry for the dupe, not sure how that happened...) -- john > -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of John Miles > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 1:46 PM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and f

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Gray > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 11:04 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions > > John, > > Would

Re: [time-nuts] PICTIC II questions

2012-02-05 Thread John Miles
> I know it has been a while since the boards were sent out, but I > finally placed an order with Mouser to populate the two boards I > bought. I already have the "unobtainium" chips and can program the > PICs, so no problems there. > > The question is, how do I use the PICTIC II after I've assemb

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium Performance: DDS noise effect on 10 MHz

2012-02-04 Thread John Miles
> From your comments, it sounds like you may be measuring one of the > earlier 5680A's that could be tuned over a large range with a DDS output. > > These earlier ones had a 50.25 MHz internal osc which was locked after > multiplication to the rubidium frequency. Then there was a DDS on the > out

Re: [time-nuts] Rubidium Performance

2012-02-03 Thread John Miles
> Someone earlier today made the point that for all the talk about the FEI > rubes, there hasn't been any real performance info posted. That prodded > me to start an experiment I've been meaning to do for a while. I have > samples of all three of the common telco Rb standards -- Efratom FRS, > Da

Re: [time-nuts] Prologix GPIB-ETH - Linux examples ?

2012-01-30 Thread John Miles
> I was thinking ... There must be someone out there using a Prologix GPIB- > ETH with linux , that might want to share some code/lib. > > I saw a ref. for some Prologix stuff in the TimeLab source (win32 i > think) , but i can't seem to find the source. Sorry, I should've been more specific -- w

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab and HP53132A

2012-01-25 Thread John Miles
> > But it misses every other data point after you start the acquisition? > > No, every second, the data are acquisite because the shape of the ADEV line > on display change due the algoritm. So, I suppose I acquire all the data are > incoming, one per second. The trouble is the X axis avance only

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB programming 'íb' style

2012-01-23 Thread John Miles
'íb' style > > In message <041401ccda19$21917480$64b45d80$@pop.net>, "John Miles" > writes: > > >> For porlogix I'll take a look at the timelab source, > > We really need a tine-nuts wiki to record stuff like this... www.ko4bb.com has a

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab and HP53132A

2012-01-23 Thread John Miles
> >Are you using > > the talk-only option, or the Acquire->HP 53131... option that I just > added > > recently? > R: yes but not work. No input data in monitor mode. On which driver? Talk-only, or the instrument-specific one? When I was working on the last set of drivers, I found talk-only suppo

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB programming 'íb' style

2012-01-23 Thread John Miles
> So for NI488.2 it is clear, I will go finding the > new stuff in their site... I hope to find ;-) > It would be great if they have produced some > table with the old and the new calls. I'll dig. > > For porlogix I'll take a look at the timelab source, > good idea. At the moment I don't own one >

Re: [time-nuts] GPIB programming 'íb' style

2012-01-22 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Luis Cupido > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:24 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] GPIB programming 'íb' style > > Is it possible to program under Windows, still

Re: [time-nuts] TimeLab and HP53132A

2012-01-21 Thread John Miles
> > Do you have some experience with TimeLab connected with a TIC > HP53132A? > > My trouble is as follow: > > > > using the default setup and acquiring for 1 hour, I can see on display the > > graph vary (as magnitude)every 1 second count, like the event counter > each > > second up to 3600,but th

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-05 Thread John Miles
ccasionally be dropped altogether. Later TSC firmware allowed the data rate to be slowed down to 1, 10, or 100 readings per second instead of 1000, and I imagine that fixes the problem entirely. However, the TimeLab driver is still hardwired to assume the data is coming in at 1000 samples/se

Re: [time-nuts] FE-5680A performance

2012-01-04 Thread John Miles
's Ethernet connection will stay up. (Which sometimes isn't very long.) TimeLab generates its frequency-difference plot from the acquired phase data, so it will give you various display and filtering options that the 5125A itself will not. -- john Miles Design LLC

Re: [time-nuts] 5087A Output Amp PC Boards

2011-11-28 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lancashire > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 3:25 PM > To: j...@quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency > measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 5087A Output Amp PC

Re: [time-nuts] PicPlot GPIB to RS-232

2011-11-14 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Smither > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:01 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] PicPlot GPIB to RS-232 > > Hi List, > > Does

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather

2011-10-29 Thread John Miles
nuts] Lady Heather > > John, > > Does Lady Heather graph any DOP values ? I see what appear to be hooks > but got > no action. > > BillWB6BNQ > > > John Miles wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.co

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather

2011-10-29 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Neville Michie > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:30 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] Lady Heather > > Hi, I have just been rath

Re: [time-nuts] HP5370B - Err 02

2011-10-25 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Smither > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:46 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: [time-nuts] HP5370B - Err 02 > > I have an HP5370B that i

Re: [time-nuts] 8560E DC Coupling phase noise measurements

2011-10-25 Thread John Miles
> -Original Message- > From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts- > boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Loïc MOREAU > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:01 PM > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] 8560E DC Coupling phase noise measurements > > Hi, > In the process of measurin

[time-nuts] Brief Thunderbolt OCXO notes

2011-10-24 Thread John Miles
FYI, I've added a couple of photos and plots to my page on Thunderbolt hacking at http://www.ke5fx.com/tbolt.htm (scroll to bottom for last entry.) This is just a recap of the earlier discussion on the list regarding observed PN performance from OCXOs cannibalized from Thunderbolt PCBs, posted

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