Re: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-31 Thread Msylvester
 This reminds me of the Olds/Milner experiments where rats would cross an electrical grid in order to get brain stimulation.Addicts will try just as hard to get their rewards despite pre- and-post painful factors.Michael Sylvester,PhDDaytona Beach,Florida--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:From: [EMAIL PR

Re: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-30 Thread Gerald Peterson
Yes, and the popularity of getting body piercing too? I had students who would describe getting something new after any kind of event; a successful project completed, end of semester, etc. There seems to be a kick in the procedure itself? Gary Gerald L. (Gary) Peterson, Ph.D. Professor, P

Re: RE: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-30 Thread Vivian M Hamilton
4-458-2004 > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In God we trust. All others must bring data. >-Original Message- >From: Rick Froman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:37 AM >To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) >Subject: RE: [tips]

Re: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-30 Thread Rikikoenig
This discussion brings to mind why people continue to smoke even after it harms their bodies, e.g. with a smoker's cough or emphysema. You can address this as addiction, but, for me, one of the simplest explanations is that the immediate primary positive reinforcement is much more powerful t

Re: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-30 Thread Christopher D. Green
Michael Scoles wrote: > The replies to this question that cite Seligman (actually Overmier and > Seligman) and Guthrie have me confused. The question of what is "learned" in > learned helplessness is a problem, but seems to have little relevance to one > experience with porcupine quills. One c

RE: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-30 Thread Horton, Joseph J.
rsday, August 30, 2007 10:19 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories The replies to this question that cite Seligman (actually Overmier and Seligman) and Guthrie have me confused. The question of what is "learned&q

RE: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-30 Thread Rick Froman
10:19 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories The replies to this question that cite Seligman (actually Overmier and Seligman) and Guthrie have me confused. The question of what is "learned" in learned helplessne

Re: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-30 Thread Michael Scoles
The replies to this question that cite Seligman (actually Overmier and Seligman) and Guthrie have me confused. The question of what is "learned" in learned helplessness is a problem, but seems to have little relevance to one experience with porcupine quills. One could make the case that, if th

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2007-08-30 Thread Marc Carter
PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:20 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [SPAM] - [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories - Bayesian Filter detected spam An interesting question arose a while back... Why do dogs, after biting into a porcupine (which

RE: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-29 Thread Rick Froman
07 7:48 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories You mean like the dogs depicted in these pictures? CAUTION: VIEW AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=8836 Miguel -Original Message- From: Jean

RE: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-29 Thread Miguel Roig
Sciences (TIPS) Subject: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories An interesting question arose a while back... Why do dogs, after biting into a porcupine (which is a very unpleasant event, with sometimes harsh consequences, <> keep going after other porcupines later on? --- T

Re: [tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-29 Thread Christopher D. Green
Because Guthrie was wrong. :-) Chris Green York U. Toronto, Canada == Jean-Marc Perreault wrote: > An interesting question arose a while back... > > Why do dogs, after biting into a porcupine (which is a very unpleasant > event, with sometimes harsh consequences, < are shaped

[tips] Dogs, Porcupines, and Learning theories

2007-08-29 Thread Jean-Marc Perreault
An interesting question arose a while back... Why do dogs, after biting into a porcupine (which is a very unpleasant event, with sometimes harsh consequences, <> keep going after other porcupines later on? Would one argue that instinctual behaviour (that of chasing small critters) overcome, or