Re:[tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-09-03 Thread Mike Palij
citation Is a wonton disregard when you turn down an offer of soup at a chinese restaurant? ;o) -Don. - Original Message - From: Michael Smith Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away To: Teaching in the Psychological

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-09-02 Thread Mike Palij
On Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:34:13 -0700, Michael Smith wrote: Mike Palij wrote another extended response. Man. Are you retired? lol. No, that's Stephen Black's job. I'm teaching 3 courses this semester including a lab course. I'm just thoughtful, analytical, and verbose. My main point was that

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-09-02 Thread Michael Smith
Mr. Palij. We have had conversations about this before. I have not included the original statements to which you responded, but I have responded to some of your comments (you will find them in brackets). Those to which I have not responded suffer from the same weaknesses. Please take note of them

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-09-02 Thread Don Allen
snip That is, a wonton disregard for proper citation Is a wonton disregard when you turn down an offer of soup at a chinese restaurant? ;o) -Don. - Original Message - From: Michael Smith Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-09-02 Thread Michael Smith
: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 12:30 pm Subject: Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Mr. Palij. We have had conversations about this before. I have not included the original statements to which you responded, but I have responded

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-09-01 Thread Jim Clark
Hi I was over the limit, yesterday, so here's this ... I disagree with Michael. Field observations (unless very sophisticated) and testimonials are no substitute for the stronger forms of information gathering we call research (field observations sometimes deserve that label). There are a

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-09-01 Thread Jim Clark
Hi Again from yesterday ... already at my limit and not even 8am! As I mentioned in another post on this topic, I tend to focus on just =3D these sorts of questions implied by the article and the kinds of evidence = =3D that would address the questions. I do NOT think that we need as teachers

Re:[tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-09-01 Thread Mike Palij
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 19:30:19 -0600, Michael Smith wrote: Let me start with a well-known saying: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Meaning, of course, if one makes a claim that runs counter to what is generally accepted as true (e.g., claiming that the earth is roundish, that

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-09-01 Thread Michael Smith
Mike Palij wrote another extended response. Man. Are you retired? lol. My main point was that scientists no less than anyone else have biases. And, like everyone else, tend to select only the references (which presumably contain evidence) that supports their biases. Of course, this is not what

[tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread Michael Britt
In the latest episode of my podcast I interviewed the author of a great parenting book: Raising Children You Can Live With. Although the author discuss a lot of great ideas regarding how to interact with your child, it seems that my brief thoughts regarding the ineffectiveness of spanking is

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread Gerald Peterson
-05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away In the latest episode of my podcast I interviewed the author of a great parenting book: Raising Children You Can Live With. Although the author discuss a lot of great ideas regarding how to interact with your child

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread Beth Benoit
I've found it interesting that every year since I began teaching at the college level (in 1993), when I ask how many of my Human Development and Child Psychology students were ever spanked, the numbers become smaller. In 1993 when I would ask that question, maybe one or two out of a class of 40 or

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread Jim Clark
Hi In my culture and psych class I use an activity on spanking centered around a short magazine piece on use of spanking by Black parents. See http://io.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark/teach/3050/Act07-spanking.pdf Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread Beth Benoit
What an interesting article, Jim. It agrees with developmental findings that I've read about African-American attitudes toward parenting, but honestly, I've hesitated to discuss this in class. I have very few black students, and worry that if I interjected this, it could be oversimplified and

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread Jim Clark
Hi I tend to keep the discussion pretty focused on the empirical questions implied by the paper (are Black kids less likely than White kids to throw temper tantrums, do Black parents use spanking more, are kids who are spanked [black or white] less likely to throw temper tantrums) and on what

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread Beth Benoit
Here are some references, some with tangential findings:1. This study finds that African-American parents are more likely to deliver mild physical punishment in an atmosphere of helping children be better, while Caucasian-American parents (have we ruled on the use caucasian yet?) say it's wrong,

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread michael sylvester
The demand for references to support statements on Tips is beginning to drive me up the wall.As if the references will give validation to statements.Baloney can still be baloney despite references.I mean to find out whether black parents spank more all what one has to do is to comparative field

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread sblack
On 31 Aug 2009 at 13:41, Michael Britt wrote: In the latest episode of my podcast I interviewed the author of a great parenting book: Raising Children You Can Live With. Although the author discuss a lot of great ideas regarding how to interact with your child, it seems that my brief

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread Michael Britt
Helpful links and a reasoned response Stephen. I'll definitely check out these links. Appreciate it. Michael On 31 Aug 2009 at 13:41, Michael Britt wrote: In the latest episode of my podcast I interviewed the author of a great parenting book: Raising Children You Can Live With. Although

Re: [tips] Spanking - an idea that won't go away

2009-08-31 Thread Michael Smith
Michael Sylvester said he is tired of the demand for references. lol Well that's not likely to change, but I agree that you have a point. Generally someone makes a point and provides a reference and the point tends to be considered proven and true. Of course the public position of almost