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2013-04-24 Thread Tim Shearon
Y'all So which is it? Interocular or intraocular. I find the infamous IOTT described all over the internet as both interocular AND intraocular. I've always understood intraocular based on, for example, intraocular surgery or intraocular injection- i.e., into the eye. Interocular as between or

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2013-04-24 Thread Christopher Green
Wouldn't intraocular be WITHIN the eye, and interocular be BETWEEN the eyes? It should be the second, I think. Chris ... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo On 2013-04-24, at 3:04 AM, Tim Shearon

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2013-04-23 Thread Claudia Stanny
On the lighter side, one of my statistics professors liked to talk about the inter-ocular effect: An effect so big it hit you right between the eyes (and the statistical analysis was a matter of confirming the obvious). :-) Claudia _ Claudia J.

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2013-04-23 Thread Stuart McKelvie
Dear Tipsters, Continuing on Claudia's lighter side, whenever we consider results in the research methods course (either from an article or one of our projects), I always ask the class to say what their eyeballs are telling them. Then we look at the stats to see if the eyeballs are correct or

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2013-04-23 Thread John Kulig
e...@ubishops.caTo: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" tips@fsulist.frostburg.eduSent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:53:24 AMSubject: RE: [tips] Polling... Dear Tipsters, Continuing on Claudia’s lighter side, whenever we

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2013-04-23 Thread Wuensch, Karl L
I refer to the Iball statistic. Cheers, [Karl L. Wuensch]http://core.ecu.edu/psyc/wuenschk/klw.htm From: Claudia Stanny [mailto:csta...@uwf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:46 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Polling... On the lighter side

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2013-04-23 Thread Tim Shearon
: [tips] Polling... On the lighter side, one of my statistics professors liked to talk about the inter-ocular effect: An effect so big it hit you right between the eyes (and the statistical analysis was a matter of confirming the obvious). :-) Claudia

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2013-04-22 Thread David T. Wasieleski
I was told the same thing in my stats classes, although one of our resident statisticians here has no problem with it. To be it's a dichotomous decision, but I was also taught not to say things like a result approached significance. Is this a somewhat arbitrary guideline? Maybe. But it's the

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2013-04-22 Thread MiguelRoig
I get a similar reaction when I read that expression. The question for me is this: Has there ever been a consensus as to what obtained p level merits that designation? Miguel - Original Message - From: Marc Carter marc.car...@bakeru.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences

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2013-04-22 Thread Marc Carter
, Department of Behavioral and Health Sciences College of Arts Sciences Baker University -- From: MiguelRoig [mailto:miguelr...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:10 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Polling... I get a similar reaction when I read

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2013-04-22 Thread Claudia Stanny
Highly significant conflates statistical rarity with impact (importance of the effect, the size of the effect). On the other hand, I think approaching significance can be useful and I will defend that practice (although I wouldn't push its use in a publication). Many statisticians note the

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2013-04-22 Thread Gerald Peterson
I still emphasize this in my classes. I do not like significance used without statistical before, as I find this soon leads to such statements, and other, unwarranted inferences. However, other colleagues and editors apparently feel that the context of such use (results sections, etc.) is

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2013-04-22 Thread Tim Shearon
You can't teach an old dogma new tricks. Dorothy Parker From: Claudia Stanny [mailto:csta...@uwf.edu] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:27 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Polling... Highly significant conflates statistical rarity with impact

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2013-04-22 Thread Ken Steele
The use is a highly irritating conflation of a dichotomous decision and an indication of effect size. Ken Kenneth M. Steele, Ph. D.steel...@appstate.edu Professor and Assistant Chairperson

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2013-04-22 Thread Peterson, Douglas (USD)
in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] Polling... Claudia You make reasonable arguments. It’s debatable, ultimately, as the decision criteria can be thought of flexibly (as in, this is early so I used a softer criterion of .07, or similar arguments) OR as a disciplinary cut-off

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2013-04-22 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
No, you are not being too picky and this is why I think so: Suppose instead of a simple t-test for independent means you had several conditions and for some reason did a collection of t-tests among the means. You knew to take a Bonferoni correction for alpha so that it was necessarily reduced,

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2013-04-22 Thread William Scott
To me, the phrase approaching significance implies that all we need to do is run a few more subjects until we see significance, a practice known to bolster your chances for a type I error. Bill Scott Claudia Stanny 04/22/13 1:28 PM Highly significant

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2013-04-22 Thread Stuart McKelvie
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2013-04-22 Thread Jim Clark
Hi I do think there are places where qualifiers to significant (or statistically significant) are appropriate. An effect that has p = .002 is quite different in my mind than p = .048, and highly significant vs significant would appear to capture that. Indeed isn't that the logic behind APA's

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2013-04-22 Thread don allen
Hi Marc- Not only do I abhor the term highly significant I also dislike the term significant. I always taught my students to use the term statistically reliable instead. significant implies that the results are important. That is a value judgement which should be made after careful

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2013-04-22 Thread Mike Palij
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:03:12 -0700, Marc Carter wrote: Hi, All -- A poll: Am I being too picky about the use of the phrase, highly significant (or something similar) when it's used to describe a very low-probability result? It sort of drives me crazy; all I can hear is my graduate math stats