Then it's settle, please go here for further systemd debate:
https://trisquel.info/es/forum/could-systemd-be-inconvenient-portability
LOL, I think it would be interesting as well.
Someone copy the posts regarding Systemd to another thread! This ought to be
fun, grab your popcorns!
Magic Banana,
no reason to resort to this level of communication. I did not mock you, nor
make fun of you...
Merely stating, facts about systemd, how that led you to conspiracy theories
and big foot is beyond me.
Regarding Linus, he said "that he does not have have a problem with systemd
Oh boy, this conversation is so interesting. I would love to join the systemd
debate, but since this isn't related with MATE I shouldn't on this thread.
Why not to create a new thread about systemd? of course Trisquel 8 will use
it anyway because it's free software and because of upstream. Bu
onpon...not true, they are completely against it. What they are doing is
making their version which would be limited to an init system and not the
entire monolithic software suite that is the ever growing mess of systemd.
BSD will never go for systemd as it violates POSIX, which the BSD's (a
Not because it refuses to enter the public domain, but because of the Mickey
Mouse Protection Act:
After the United States' accession to the Berne convention, a number of
copyright owners successfully lobbied the U.S. Congress for another extension
of the term of copyright, to provide for t
The BSD guys aren't against systemd. Many of them oppose copyleft, but the
main reason they don't use systemd is because they can't. systemd uses
Linux-specific features, so it won't work with the BSD kernel. In fact, the
OpenBSD project is working to come up with kernel-agnostic replacements
Oh Magic Banana...The research is all on the internet from people working on
the projects.
Fact, Linus has blocked Kay from submitting any/all code for the kernel until
further notice.
Fact, soon systemd will default to gummbiboot as the loader, it has already
merged with it. When Lennar
You should! Why? See e.g.
http://thepublicdomain.org
"not an evil one like Mickey who refuses to enter the public domain"
U mad bro? Who cares if Mickey Mouse is public domain or not?
I'm pretty sure LXDE's default text editor is Leafpad.
GNOME Flashback is officially supported. I get the impression that there are
only one or two active developers, but it's not like it's just rotting in a
forgotten repository.
Thanks for looking that up for us Magic. By the time Ubuntu 16.04 comes out,
MATE will hopefully be 1.12 and above and be a viable option for Trisquel.
I switched over to Cinnamon as soon as possible since my video card at the
time (Nvidia GT 430) supported 3D acceleration with the Nouveau drivers. If I
did not have that option, MATE would have been great to use instead due
familiarity and that I could use the exiting Trisquel themes.
Like
Magic Banana, you can say that again.
According to Pottering and Kay Sievers (systemd developers), their end game
is to have systemd be a complete OS. Even Linus had to block all code
contributions from Kay because they were trying to hardwire the kernel to
require systemd. You can search
I still prefer the panels because that's what I have always used for the past
several years. That and I don't want something too heavy because it will
drain the battery faster. Something simple like the screenshot below is
sufficient.
"LXTerminal"
try the terminator
sudo apt-get install terminator
Still find gnome fallback surprisingly good and easy to customize. It is now
my desktop of choice. I like the fact that it is compatible with unity's
indicator applications.
You can use a dock and have a pretty Windows-style desktop
The panel+nautilus, at the very least, certainly formed a shell though (which
way why Nautilus couldn't be replaced and why Caja can't be replaced in
MATE).
Personally I find it easier to customise LXDE, and I find KDE & TDE more
customiseable.
I used many DEs but nothing comes close to the XFCE environment!!!
Fast, easy to use and customize, lightweight, beautiful.
There is no other DE but Xfce! :)
Oh, well I don't think GNOME Panel was ever called a "shell". It's a lot more
simplistic and flexible than that.
Not in 3, but if you want GNOME 2's shell but without GNOME Terminal and
without Nautilus (or maybe only Nautilus?), good luck!
I used to go back and forth between GNOME Shell, KDE, and XFCE back when I
had Debian (this was before I discovered Trisquel), and then after installing
Trisquel, I almost entirely used just GNOME Flashback until I found out how
to install Cinnamon on Trisquel. Just a few days ago, I came up
They were tied into the shell before? That's news to me. If anything, many
GNOME components were starting to show their age in GNOME 3.4, being so
similar to their GNOME 2 counterparts.
It's actually the other way around for me: I, on Parabola, LOVE GNOME Shell,
but I use PCManFM instead iof Nautilus, LXTerminal instead of GNOME Terminal
(or sometimes GNOME Terminal 2 instead which is available in the AUR).
Well, I guess we can be thankful nautilus, the terminal, etc aren't
I don't really like to use docks, I prefer a Windows-style desktop
environment.
Oh, I forgot:
With LXDE and XFCE, user is unaware of what window would have focus, when she
releases the 'alt+tab' (window switching) keys; Orca doesn't speak this. In
orca releases before 3.12, the same information was missing when Mate was the
desktop. In the Mate case, it was a matter o
i also reccomend trying cairo dock
http://glx-dock.org/
you can get it from the trisquel repo's
I'm currently using Cinnamon on Trisquel via an added repository. It's a bit
heavy on the GPU, however I consider it better than the Trisquel Default
Session, GNOME Flashback, which just doesn't work as I would expect it to.
I'm currently considering the possibility of using XFCE, which shou
Yes, Ruben said that Orca couldn't read the name of the window so if someone
cannot see well, he/she would not know in which window/container he/she will
be in, and as you know, accessibility is one of the key points of Trisquel so
he didn't pick compiz as default.
Regarding what Dave_hunt
> This is first I've heard of compiz not working well with orca
Me too. Do you know what kind of issues exists between Compiz and Orca?
I don't think the init system effects Mate.
Perhaps there's been some improvement. Last time I tried orca in LXDE, the
panels, menus, desktop, and notification area were not accessible, and the
file manager was only accessible in list mode. I found, however, that
mousepad (the default text editor) is accessible. The Mozilla programs
This is first I've heard of compiz not working well with orca; I'll ask.
Does either metacity or marco do screen magnification? Whatever we decide to
do for Trisquel's window manager in version 8, we should make sure that
accessibility feature works.
No, you can use Compiz with the default Trisquel Desktop, the reason why
Rubén changed to metacity is because compiz does not work well with Orca.
You can create your own Trisquel with compiz session. When I have time I will
create a script that will do so.
Version 4 was my favorite as well. Excellent theme, icons, and an overall
level of polish. I loved the level of opacity on the bottom panel and the
menu.
It was so pretty that I instantly installed it on my brother's laptop which
thankfully worked out of the box (video, audio, wireless) and
> Honestly, I think the question of interest is why it was enabled by default
in Trisquel 6.
I don't know. It was? I remember that was installed by default, but not that
was enabled by default too. If I remember correctly, Trisquel 4 also had
Compiz installed by default.
> One guess I hav
Honestly, I think the question of interest is why it was enabled by default
in Trisquel 6. That wasn't the case in Trisquel 5.5 (the first version of
Trisquel I used), and I'd wager to guess that wasn't the case in any of the
earlier versions either. So Trisquel 7 is just continuing the previ
But why is not installed by default? We lost the window tiling that we had in
Trisquel 6 because of that. Was because of something related with GNOME?
It's still available, just not used by default (as was the case for most
distros that used GNOME 2).
now I test MATE
+1 to MATE
I thought that was the case since Trisquel 7 didn't include Compiz by
default, but seems that was not the case. I'm still wondering why Compiz
didn't make it into Trisquel 7 though.
"The Gnome 2 versions of Trisquel were some of the best looking out there"
You can say that again! Trisquel 4 was my favorite, and we can achieve the
same look again with MATE easily, while with Gnome fallback it just keep
getting trickier.
"As for Magic's issue with ConsoleKit, I'm sure it
As long as Trisquel aims to offer a "classic" desktop that looks good and
doesn't require 3d acceleration by default, the options are pretty limited
right now.
Gnome fallback/classic tries to mimic many Gnome 2 features, but it really is
barebones and a chore to customize. Like I said befor
MATE is adding GTK3 support as of the 1.10 release:
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MATE-1.10-Released
I always wait for the laptop to shut down before closing the lid. After all
it is GNU and not windose, this meaning you don't have to wait 3 minutes for
the stupid thing to shut down!! :P
I always close the screen while it's shutting down, and I've had no issues.
You're cunfused, then. That's talking about GNOME Shell, which is indeed tied
to Mutter. Mutter is different from Metacity, and GNOME Panel should be
perfectly usable with Compiz et al.
> "solving several longstanding energy management issues."
Can you give examples of those energy management issues?
> "It's disingenuous to suggest that GNOME has removed a feature it hasn't"
Sorry for my imprecise use of the language, I'm still learning English. What
I wanted say is that we lost a feature because of GNOME putting in the way,
not that it was GNOME itself who removed it. Sorry about that.
Yes, there is a version Mintmenu for MATE. It seems to prevent dconf-editor
from running correctly when I install the version from Dagda, though (except
I'm probably the only one who cares one wee bit about that).
Agree with you regarding GNOME Shell.
It's disingenuous to suggest that GNOME has removed a feature it hasn't.
What's happened is Metacity never had this feature in the first place (GNOME
first got it with GNOME Shell), and supposedly (I've only heard it in this
thread) it's difficult to use an alternative window manager with GNO
Well, if we want to keep using Metacity we're never getting window tiling -
and it's not GNOME's fault. Metacity never had it and Compiz didn't have
drag-to-edge tiling until 0.9 anyway. It's got nothing to do with GNOME 3.
But yeah, if you want tiling with a stacking window manager that does
"It's systemd needed?"
According to Gentoo's Wiki, no.
Does MATE rely on a specific service manager or init system?
No, MATE has been tested to work with both OpenRC and systemd and might work
on other service managers and init systems too (untested, but no known reason
for it to break); sys
"GNOME Shell is the normal GNOME experience."
Yeah, but as far as I know Trisquel aim to have a classic and lightweight DE
for it's default image. And GNOME Shell needs hardware acceleration to run
decently. That's why we use GNOME Flashback, but since it lacks features that
MATE have withou
GNOME Shell allows you to maximize windows on the left or right side of the
screen. Of course that's got little to do with what GNOME Flashback is
capable of, but GNOME Shell is the normal GNOME experience.
BTW, can run orca in lxde
its nede systemd?
Same. Great idea. MATE for days. I love MATE.
I have Mate and orca working in another distro. There are a few minor
accessibility gaps, but it is usable. Since Ubuntu Mate is an official spin,
and Mate packages are also maintained in Debian (Jessie) main repos, I think
Mate in Trisquel 8 is a fine idea!
Well, window tiling wasn't a GNOME's feature, but we have it in Trisquel 6
thanks to Compiz. As far as I know, we don't in Trisquel 7 because it's
impossible to use any window manager other than Metacity without changing
GNOME's source code. And Metacity don't seems to have window tiling, at
Window tiling's gone??
If it is I don't think it's gNOME's fault since it was basically absent in
GNOME 2 and is present in GNOME 3.
I was thinking about this too, even with the great work of Rúben and the
others on the appearance of the distro. We have lost features like window
tiling, and we have bugs like bad drawing when scrolling on lists. And, as
far as I know, is all Gnome's fault. But then, we have MATE which could
Had Ubuntu MATE not become official Ubuntu project, though, would MATE still
have made it to the repos anyway (since I'm pretty sure it's present upstream
at Debian)?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MATE#Accessibility
its run orca??
I apologize for the spelling mistakes by the way. I wish I could edit the
original post. :-(
As of Ubuntu 15.04 onward, Ubuntu MATE is an official spin meaning MATE
packages are available by default and will get feature and security updates
from here on. Things can only get better with 16.04, for which Trusquel 8
will be based on.
While I applaud Ruben's work in getting Gnome 3 cla
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