Onpon4 took on the seemingly formidable task explaining where libre movement
stands. He managed pretty well but, of course, not everything was smooth
sailing in such a hostile place like Ars.
What you are saying makes sense to me, and I've made similar statements
recently. After doing a lot of posting here, and even more reading, my
present view of the dilemma is as follows:
1.) People who are interested enough to debate are usually interested enough
to make the changes.
2.)
I find myself being silenced with "I don't know what you're talking about.
You must be very smart." a lot lately, which is NOT a compliment.
I have no IT background and use very inexpensive equipment (I can get a
Lenovo X60 for about $20 on eBay these days) for forum surfing,
I think giving half-baked responses to my critics on another forum got me
very close to getting banned from one community.
This is the thing I found: if someone disagrees with you and you do not make
an effort to stand by what you said, then a critic has grounds to accuse you
of
I also think it's important we publicly say for example GNU/Linux instead of
misleading "Linux". (when talking about the operating system)
However one must always remember to make sure when arguing with a moron
online that the other guy isn't doing the same. He said she said leads
nowhere,
They did react quite well to the introduction and seemed interested and
exited but how many went on to install a free system I don't know.
Yes, I think the repo is one of the major practical selling points of
GNU/Linux.
> If it's not in the repositories, it's probably non-free anyway.
This is not true, there is a wealth of free software outside of the repos.
Just nobody has taken the time to package (fairly trivial) and maintain
(colossal) it.
Let's be clear though that we are talking about people who are used to
computers though. They don't like change and are usually tethered to
proprietary platforms by some obscure (or not so obscure) specific program or
love the brand. They have often heard of libre software but think they
I was editing my post but couldn't send it as you had replied to it. Yes, you
must be right. There are tarballs and shell scripts one might easily run into
and find it intimidating.
Interviews would probably be a big part of such a film. Even a documentary
needs a 'script' or some kind of arc to the story.
You are on the right track, I think, by identifying the "most interesting to
most people" subjects, events, predictions, etc...
The interviews on 'our' side
Thank you for the link. Although I wasn't speaking about Spotify specificly.
Spotify was just an example to demonstrate what I meant by the problem of
downloading software directly from the websites. It was just a practical
example that came first to my mind. (:
We have something better than a major studio for spreading awareness: the
internet.
An online film would be more practical.
However, such a film would need to appeal to a wide audience to be
successful. So of course, of most relevance is talking about mass
surveillance, and harming civil
Actually, given the whole six degrees of separation thing, maybe somebody
here knows somebody who knows somebody...who knows Michael Moore? Or anybody
with documentary film production experience.
> but the user has the option to active a proprietary repo from the settings
Debian has the nonfree repo, but it has nonfree software other than
firmwares. A better way of doing it is what Fedora has - all free software
with an exception made for nonfree firmwares.
Personally, I would just
I have been thinking this issue a lot. How we could get as many people as
possible to join the libre community? I think the most powerful way to get
the people intouch with libre is providing a quality software that attracts
peoples attention.
The first thing we have to do, is to get the
Writing copy-paste command line code is the easiest way to help newbies. Fast
and efficient. That said, there is a deb package for Spotify but you should
not install it -- it's non-free software.
http://repository.spotify.com/pool/non-free/s/spotify/
> Mainstream users use what comes with the computer.
That was a really good point right there. Also I think you're right about the
product tying.
But I think the another problem is that because of Windows have being the OS
which "comes with the computer" for so long time, mainstream users are
I can't think of any software that should be downloaded from outside of the
repositories. PPAs aside, I can only think of some proprietary hardware
enabling drivers. If it's not in the repositories, it's probably non-fred
anyway.
Would be nice with a new crowd funded feature length documentary to go viral,
but a lot of resources exist already.
Simply sharing this introduction video:
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/20140407-geneva-tedx-talk-free-software-free-society/
coupled with this book by rms:
We need to create a critical mass for a grass roots uprising.
We need millions of people to become aware of these issues.
We need a plan.
Here is one among many:
1.) Major motion picture ala michael moore
2.) Guidance for immediate, if not total, adoption.
This way people who see the movie, and
Hi Turleman,
We mustn't think people are hostile to free software ideas, but many people
are hostile to whatever is "new" or "different" respect to their vision of
the world. It's due to prejudices. We tend to rationalize our behavior before
than considering what has been told to us.
I'm
Ars Technica sometimes has articles covering Linux but they fail to give
credut to GNU.
I urge Trisquel forum users to make an account there and to post in threadd
that deal with free software. We must not keep it to ourselves or be
satisfied with mutual complacency.
We have a nice comunity hear among fellow Trisquelers but sometimes it look
like a naughty step where we can cry and nobody pays attention. Patting on
our backs here is not all we can do.
Ars is usually quite a hostile place to discuss GNU/Linux. Often any
dinconcerting voice gets
People here should make a user account there on Ars so they can help when the
downvoting gets nasty. We can make a difference turning the tide. Some posts
are trolling but most are just plain hostile. They know what FSF and free
software is but they don't give a damn. Linux and GNU articles
How many students at your university are 'converted' so to speak to using
free software?
It's one of the more informed technology websites.
It's easily possible they don't know what GNU is beyond "the tools used with
Linux". Have you emailed them? They may be interested. For instance, in this
article
These comments make me very sad... Why are they so hostile to free software
ideas? I know there is always a good number of people who don't agree with
us, but they are usually more reasoned than these people. The comment that
the GPL is more restrictive than proprietary software got 5
I read plenty on Ars too. Have stayed out of the comments though. I've also
noticed that even on Phoronix, the majority is quite hostile towards
free/libre software and Michael (the author) seems to be wording himself
carefully when writing about GNU and free software; surprisingly neutral
I think that negative reaction comes from talking about libre software too
subtly. Ironic, since the negative reaction in my experience tends to suggest
that the opposite is true. But I've found that people are much more receptive
when I stand firmly behind my views and present them fully
> We shouldn't, however, make installing software the way Windows does,
clicking on download links on obscure sites, any more popular. If it's a
useful, free program, it should be added to the repositories or software
sources.
> Yes, I think the repo is one of the major practical selling
Like 0 A.D.
Good game but incomplete, but the most recent release added plenty of fixes
and enhancements.
Others like Wesnoth are under active development but have somewhat slowed in
pace. The version in Trisquel and Debian stable is old but not too outdated.
Also, Minetest is pretty good for
Minetest is one of those games you wouldn't want to get from the repository
unless you play it very casually. It's frequently updated and newer servers
can have compatibilities with older clients.
The hostility on the mainstream internet is getting very scary.
I have been posting on parenting, education, and hobby fora for over a
decade. When I was running Damn Small Linux, I would answer threads with
topics such as "Laptop advice needed" and people were somewhat receptive or
at
I wouldn't say it's intentional, but rather a beneficial accident resulting
in the massive variation between GNU/Linux distros. As a software developer,
it's much easier for me to just provide the source code and instructions to
compile than to provide a .deb, a .rpm, a Slackware build, an
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