Hi all,
Mine is an old computer, ageing back to 2007 or so. The GNOME Fallback is
indeed, heavy and eats up quite a lot of memory; Obviously it is *not* in my
wish-list.
My personal preference is MATE and Cinnamon; But I heard Xfce is lightweight
and fast. LXDE, the default DE in Trisquel
I created another thread for this, as 'pragmatist' recommended:
https://trisquel.info/es/forum/recommended-licenses-other-works-related-free-software
To answer you what impression I have about trisquel attendance, I should
create another thread.
Thanks.
> Whyever not? As you say yourself in another comment, the less hardware
resources the DE uses, the more of them are available to run applications.
Because GNOME is easier to use than LXDE. (I can't comment specifically on
Englightenment.) Maximum performance isn't everything.
> These are t
LXQT is not really as stable as LXDE. The menus especially sometimes 'hang'
and stay there after clicking somewhere else. I would argue that it isn't
really much more lightweight than XFCE while losing some of the features of
the good LXDE panel. XFCE should replace LXDE, as that is more adva
You know, there's no such thing as "GNU free". GNU is an operating system.
Calling something "GNU free" makes about as much sense as calling something
"Linux open source".
In any case, what are you talking about? All software distributed in
Trisquel's repositories is libre. You don't need t
Excuse my $.02, but anyway:
DE, GNU, KDE are abbreviations.
USER, CAPS, and IDEA look like shout no matter what they are.
Noone| only the window manager
OPENBOX is best for me
^_^
You should think about Mate, I am currently using it on an IBM Thinkpad
T42 and it works fine. Its the old good Gnome 2 look and higly
customizable. For a 2007 machine it should work fine.
XFCE is also lightweight, maybe even more than Mate. In the end its
about your personal taste. So I would re
Mate desktop or Deepin desktop. There is a version of Manjaro with this
desktop. Look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TiuI3bsNm4
if Depin DE is free software looks awesome
what DE is it based on?
I like Cinnamon,if only for its straightforwardness.
I think XFCE would be fine though.
I would prefer GNOME Shell. I know it's a bit heavy, but it's much nicer than
GNOME Flashback or MATE.
I'm pretty sure Cinnamon would be out of the question because of hardware
requirements, and I think Xfce and LXDE may also be out of the question for
the main distribution because of a lac
lap4fsf, if GNOME flashback is heavy for your PC, you're running a potato and
should be using Trisquel Mini.
I think GNOME shell would be a good choice (with the option of flahsback if
the user lacks 3D acceleration)-- it's simple, user-friendly, modern, and is
touch-screen-friendly. Touch-
XFCE4 + Compiz + cairo-dock + Macintosh Theme
Agreed, asking for the best default DE for the next version and asking for
your favorite setup is really not the same.
For weaker machines, there's Trisquel Mini. Or a minimal netinstall.
Accessibility must be there for both the default and Mini version I suppose.
From there, there's the 3D acc
>The GNOME Fallback is indeed, heavy and eats up quite a lot of memory
I ran TRisquel default iso with gnome fallback or flashback whatever it is
called on an atom with 1 gb ram. It was fast and smooth. Indeed I reckon it
is my third favorite DE after the perfect Xfce and the awesome Mate.
Gnome Shell
The modified gnome-fallback desktop Trisquel is using is very good. It is
compatible with unity indicators which provides extra functionality and low
resources are necessary to its functionality.
for me MATE
its tru Gnome 2
@tomlukeywood Deepin desktop is a html5 tehnologie and is not based on other
desktop. It is from Linux Deepin distribution.
I like Gnome 3 Shell. It looks very modern, and has software rendering for
those who can't run free GPU drivers.
Last time I triede them, LXDE and XFCE panels and desktops were inaccessible,
though their menus are. If Trisquel 8 is to have a desktop like this GNOME
Fallback, Mate is the way to go. It is very accessible in Debian and Ubuntu.
Last time I tried installing Mate in Trisquel 7, I could not
Yes, accessibility should be in the default and mini, though, I'd also like
to see it in the net install. Debian has offered this for quite a while.
I do want to chime in and say that I seriously doubt GNOME Flashback is in
any substantial way slower than, say, LXDE. I actually set up my mother's
computer with Trisquel Mini for a brief period to see if it made her system
run smoother, and she didn't notice a difference, so I changed it ba
My preferences:
1) Gnome Fallback
2) MATE
3) XFCE
4) Gnome Shell or KDE 5
5) Others
I vote "using the exact same DE we have in Trisquel 7". It works splendidly
and is not too much heavy (I have a single core CPU, no 3d acceleration and
still get a nice performance out of it).
If it is not an option, I hope MATE but Nautilus should replace Caja. C'mon,
we have dozens of plugi
Cinnamon.panels never disappear when I have Impress start a presentation
(at least with presenter view on)
MATE.I can't get shadows to appear under MATE's panel, but it's otherwise
OK
Trisquel-6-&-7 GNOME.I wouldn't mind it if I couldn't debootstrap
GNOME Classic as provided by GNO
Windows XP
I like XFCE, definitely!on my debian.
Maybe we could make a more multimedia friendly version.
Directly start kodi, maybe a very simple DE underneath.
There isn´t a free multimedia distri out there.
> If it is not an option, I hope MATE but Nautilus should replace Caja. C'mon,
> we have dozens of plugins in Nautilus ready to be installed in synaptic, we
> can using those do everything in nautilus with a single right click. Caja is
> still very much behind in that department.
Nautilus is
-- Concerning Defaults --
I would replace Trisquel's current GNOME fallback-based desktop with MATE.
Trisquel tries to present an accessible, traditional, and user-friendly desktop
experience, and I still think that GNOME 2 itself is the way to do it, rather
than having to fight GNOME 3 into shape
I don't know about Caja being faster than Nautilus, but it is the file
manager of MATE, so if MATE is used, it would make sense to use it for the
sake of cohesion.
Onpon: I used both Xfce and MATE on three different laptops. Xfce uses less
ram than MATE. That's a fact.
I see several persons asking for a way to remove the accessibility icon in
gnome shell, so I assume it's there by default. I don't know about Trisquel
mini (whether it's Mate or XFCE).
I didn't use it for long, but I'd vote for GNOME Shell as well (recap of what
I've read here):
- the most a
Indeed, that icon is no longer present. It's not just disabled by default,
it's been completely removed. You would have to use an extension to add it
back in.
mate for the standard iso and lxde for trisquel mini
My favourite DE is xfce, but I think trisquel should use GNOME Shell as
default. It's modern, beautiful and good in accesibility.
Maybe developers try to mimic windows layout in order to make easier the
change from windows to trisquel, but Trisquel default desktop should not be
less attract
I will personally be using the netistall .iso and sudo apt-get installing
fluxbox and jwm, so I don't really have any monkeys in this circus, but
I hope that Trisquel 8 will be available out of the box with a modern,
newbie-friendly DE that is pretty, user-friendly, and works as well as
I totally agree with you: mate for standard lxde for mini
gnome-shell please :D.
>> if GNOME flashback is heavy for your PC, you're running a potato and
should be using Trisquel Mini.
Rewording the norm to maxi and making mini the norm doesn't change a thing,
besides feeling in the norm or something if you have a super old machine.
But it raises an interesting question : what that norm actually is. The main
"Ubuntu/Debian/other very popular distro" LiveCD is (correct me if
Then I assume that the accessibility programs are still there (which is what
I was trying to say, but it wasn't very clear/properly worded).
> owning hardware newer than 5 years old is a privilege, not the norm
GNOME Shell ran fine on my old laptop with 2 GB of RAM. This was a budget
laptop (only a couple hundred dollars when it was bought) from 2007. That's 8
years old. Of course, it had an Intel GPU which could do hardware
acc
I like the idea of making the normal edition small, so that the other one is
called maxi instead of mini.
Couldn't it be enough to make the original iso-image 700 MB big, so that it
fits onto a CD, like in earlier times? Every GNU/Linux user has to learn what
package management is very soon a
> Couldn't it be enough to make the original iso-image 700 MB big, so that it
fits onto a CD, like in earlier times?
Maybe, maybe not. Debian was having great difficulty trying to fit GNOME into
700 MB, and that was one of the reasons they considered switching to Xfce.
For the main version
Am i the only one who thinks xfce and lxde are the best options?
probably... seeing as i am more interested in battery life.
Meh, XFCE is my favorite. but the mini lxde is also good.
Mate, when I said he was using a potato, I meant it.
I'm using full Trisquel on a ten-year-old desktop, and it works well enough.
It's a Dell Dimension (something-something.) Doesn't even have USB ports. :p
If your computer can't do what this desktop can do, your computer is a
potato.
LXDE, a hint of TWM-Based desktop enviroments, GNOME (for the full trisquel)
and a FLOSS version of Windows explorer for unix-like operating systems
Jaded is right - I ran it on an absolutely crappy atom with 1gb ram (full
ISO, not mini). It had a freshly installed (by the dude who sold it to me for
50 bucks) Windows 7 Starter ed. and that took 4 minutes to boot and 600 mb
RAM on boot. Unusable. I installed Trisquel fallback and it ran fl
About 3D DEs: If it runs Vista (many 8-year-oldlaptops do), it runs GNOME 3
(and probably KDE too but I haven't tested KDE on a Vista laptop).
Yep, I'd say that's accurate.
I'd also say it's accurate that if it runs Windows XP, it can run MATE.
I wouldn't say the best options in that case because battery life is
outweighted by many other functionalities for beginners/newcomers.
But if you're interested in battery life without going for the tiled window
managers, Openbox+dzen2 is an even less demanding combo.
It's based on Gnome. I'd have to say, the Manjaro implementation looks
amazing! It looks like what Windows 10 should have been.
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XFCE.
It's got features of newer DEs, and does everything Trisquels default DE does
while being more customizable and using way less RAM and CPU. It's just so
much better than Trisquels default in all the ways.
So the Plank dock can sit at the bottom and go the full length? That screen
kinda reminds me of the Budgie desktop.
It looks like he right clicked on the desktop and it gave him
ChromeOS/ChromiumOS options.
> My point is that an OS that will support the oldest, least powerful PC will
also support any PC that is newer or more powerful.
Yes, but that doesn't mean we should be presenting the absolute most
lightweight DE we can find to everyone.
> Supporting me to achieve that would be a win for s
Trisquel: GNOME Shell by default or GNOME Classic (GNOME Shell + extensions
for GNOME 2 classic style) like Red Hat Enterprise.
Trisquel KDE: KDE 15.12.1 [1]
Trisquel Mini: LXQt 0.10 (now available on Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial
repositories)[2]
[1] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=xenial&key
> Perhaps I should have said "make all the potential of your hardware
*available*. I'm talking about things like 16GB RAM, or support for 64bit, or
desktops with powerful graphics cards.
No, the DE has nothing to do with availability of RAM, the GPU, or "support
for 64bit". I don't know why
>> Yes, but that doesn't mean we should be presenting the absolute most
lightweight DE we can find to everyone. > What are you talking about?
Trisquel already has an unusually lightweight DE for a modern GNU/Linux
distro as it is.
The first thing I want to make clear is that my intention here is not to
attack Trisquel, the Trisquel community, or fully free distros in general. I
speak as a member of this community, committed to the cause of software
freedom, and sharing my experiences with Trisquel in the hopes that thi
>> It also doesn't "make use of all the potential" of your hardware. That
would be a terrible design for a desktop environment; you have to use the
hardware for other things, too.
I don't have a strong opinion here since everyone will just use the DE they
prefer. However, I have just one opinion to share:
MATE > GNOME flashback/fallback/classic
and I believe MATE is getting to be a very mainstream DE than the early days.
The reason I say better is because I think it m
>> It's the kernel that's responsible for making all the features of your
hardware available.
I'm in IBM THINKPAD T42 too. And still use Puppy Linux, because y don't have
time to make a net installation with open box. And use Trisquel Mini with
"forcepae" to use specifics programs like: youtube-dl (install python in
Puppy Slacko is a pain in the ass) and Freac. Anyway is good to know
Openbox + Plank Dock.
Actually I used Cub Linux.
As of now, I've installed GNOME, XFCE, i3WM, and fluxbox in addition to the
default Trisquel. I'm using fluxbox these days as I find it very stable. But
I like them all in different ways. Then there are the email clients. I have
evolution, alpine, mutt, icedove, claws, and geary. If I'm not
I am an USER.
I want to EASILY change my Desktop Environment to choose what I prefer.
I don't want to investigate everytime if it is GNU FREE or not.
THANKS.
> 1. So, what is your suggestion to name things that are Free according to
the GNU Licenses and compatible ones?
"Libre software". Or "free software", if you prefer. It's not that difficult.
> They tell us how they did it, and it is not really EASY for an USER like
me. I wanted to apply a lo
> I saw some distributions that allow to choose Gnome, XFCE or KDE from the
Login Screen.
That's a feature of the display manager (login screen) and has nothing to do
with what the default DE is. Trisquel has this and will continue to have it.
> 3. There should be a web or something that al
some interesting things from other people that I read in the sub-thread:
1. We should care about Free Typography:
* I dicovered 'GNU Free Fonts' here https://www.gnu.org/software/freefont/
2. Licensing can be tricky: Different ethical rules apply to non-functional
works. (rms distributes all
4. Typography: You're right about typography. I am using Icecat into
different OS (Trisquel now).
I was not imposing my own typography, like almost everyone who write
something on internet, even I was trying everytime to be Free Software
respectful.
That's what I am talking about. I can
1. GNU Free: I only was defending my choice of words 'GNU Free'.
Free Software License Kaos: I agree with Libre Software and I wanna know
inmidiately if I fulfill. I don't say other licenses are bad, but I am an
USER and I don't want to think about every license of what I am using.
FSF was t
Yes, Plank is pretty great. I did not have enough imagination to realize it
could be used like this, though.
I suspect the clock etc. on the bottom right is not related to Plank.
1. GNU Free = GNU GLP and compatible really free licences according to the
Free Software Foundation. Freedom according to GNU Licenses.
2.In my opinion, the DE should be the most attractive and usefull possible.
And then, let the user to EASILY change from one to another. I saw some
distrib
HA HA HA HA HA ... Now I am shouting.
I would like to use italic or bold fonts to remark something, but oh,
wait...! Programmers can in this thread but I can't becasue I am just an
italic:'user'.
Oh, you mean programmers must agree on a common language to users, right?
C'mon, you're li
RE 1. So, what is your suggestion to name things that are Free according to
the GNU Licenses and compatible ones?
RE 2. Please, take a look to the different themes that people choose. They
tell us how they did it, and it is not really EASY for an USER like me. I
wanted to apply a look simi
You should make a new thread for this. This thread asks "what is your
favorite DE?". Your question is "what licenses would apply to typography?".
1. GNU Free: It is said in
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses that
these licenses should be avoided.
2. Desired DE: Appearance (Themes + Docks, Windows MAnagers...) is what an
user wants to change (according to FSF Philosophy). And that is what is not
e
> Please, I would like to know which licenses are all they, to choose
> without fear materials that respect Free Software philosophy.
Libre software philosophy isn't a law. You will not get punished for using
proprietary software, whether it's on purpose or accidental. I don't live in
"fear"
I've been using xfce since the last time I installed Trisquel a few months
ago. I had never taken the time to set it up the way I like it. This time I
did and it has everything I need. I set the window buttons applet up so that
all the windows from all the workspaces are available on the pane
1. GNU Free: Okay, you have your names, and I have mine. I agree with Free
Software, I am interested in GNU Free Software, but I have my own vision
about it. GNU Free = Freedom accordingly to GNU Licenses
2. Desired DE: Please, read yourselves. Is it incorrect that for an USER like
me is no
Yes! Thank you for ending that discussion.
LOL I was just about to flag this guy as a troll--something which the rest of
you have probably figured out already. Then I see he labels himself with
such transparent projection.
I'll bite anyway. Simple summary of this thread-in-a-thread: 1. You made a
suggestion 2. We understood it, an
I said before: There should be a web or something that allow users to choose
all the (GNU free) proposes everyone desire, easily. Choose Themes like
Icecat Extensions.
I expose the ideas but we all have to make them work fast.
> *sigh* Yes, I know that. But there's no point having all those resources
available at the kernel level if none of the user-facing software makes use
of it.
Like... games? Web browsers? These are the types of programs that fully
utilize the capabilities of your hardware. No DE worth its sa
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