Re: [TruthTalk] MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT

2004-01-01 Thread bborrow26
Perry, I will give you three guesses, and the first two don't count. LOL (Answer:Persons authorized by having had the appropriate Holy PH conferred upon them, and being deemed worthy from a personal standpoint to baptize for the remission of sins, and/or to confer the Gift of the Holy Ghost.

Re: [TruthTalk] MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT

2004-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, by whom is such a covenant relationship "authorized".Perry >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Hi Judy,  In Mormon Jaberwocky, "Gentile" has several meanings, depending >on the context.  Sometimes it means Christians who have not entered into >an authorized  covenant relationship with Jesus Chris

Re: [TruthTalk] MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT

2004-01-01 Thread bborrow26
Hi Judy, In Mormon Jaberwocky, "Gentile" has several meanings, depending on the context. Sometimes it means Christians who have not entered into an authorized covenant relationship with Jesus Christ, sometimes it actually refers to Gentile (Japheth) nations, which are mostly of the Judeo-Christi

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidM,   I have to agree with you that all religions contain error in their doctrine. Some more than others. And, I have not said that Momonism is any worse or better than any other cult claiming to be Christian. It just happens that for some reason I have been led to study Mormonism more than a

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
You get dangerously close to these cansDavid Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin wrote:> Anyone who is Saved and has the Holy Spirit, > who leads into all truth, would never go down > the YELLOW BRICK ROAD of LDS doctrine!> If they did they would do so in spite > of the promptings of the Ho

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: > Anyone who is Saved and has the Holy Spirit, > who leads into all truth, would never go down > the YELLOW BRICK ROAD of LDS doctrine! > If they did they would do so in spite > of the promptings of the Holy Spirit. Yes, Kevin, I do agree with you on this. Sometimes, however, this

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > The Mormon Jesus is not the Jesus I know. > The Mormon Father is not the Father of the Bible. > They are a false father and jesus. I don't know them. > They are foreign to me, and to the scripture. > David, I do not want to appear to be attacking > you personally, but you seem to

Re: [TruthTalk] Pagan Wolf

2004-01-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
The BULLY never hit you or even thought about it again. Hm... Maybe he sensed your Mormon Protective Underwear! Maybe you should send this in as a testimony for Ensign. "L.A. Bully repulsed by Holy Underwear's Secret Powers"   Dean, maybe you have to wear the Protective Underwear for it to work

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Salvation is NOT based on your doctrine. Salvation is based on Jesus' Blood & Righteousness. BUT Anyone who is Saved and has the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth, would never  go down the YELLOW BRICK ROAD of LDS doctrine! If they did they would do so in spite of the promptings of the Holy Spi

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Salvation is NOT based on your doctrine. Salvation is based on Jesus' Blood & Righteousness. BUT Anyone who is Saved and has the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth, would never  go down the YELLOW BRICK ROAD of LDS doctrine! If they did they would do so in spite of the promptings of the Holy Spi

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Please do not take this wrong, but I do not understand you at all. You agree they do not trust the Bible You agree I trust the bible. Then you ask me to agree? Does not compute!   Yes I am very well aware of the mss issues.  I am fully persuaded by rigorous study of the issue, that the minority ms

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidM, I, too, agree that salvation is by grace thorough fath in Christ. Let me get as basic as I can: 1. If you rely on anything other than Jesus Christ for your salvation, you will not be saved. Agreed? And I know, this is by grace through faith. I know all of that, and believe. 2. Mohammed can

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine's Testimony

2004-01-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Well hope you folks enjoyed the testimony. I guess the Holy Ghost doesn't think you need to hear it. Maybe Blaine is afraid that you would see thru his canned testimony that is the same as everyother Mormon. They recite it every Sunday. Practice makes perfect![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine: What s

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread David Miller
Perry wrote: > Unless you know the REAL Jesus attested to in the Bible, > understand WHO he is, what his lineage is, what his > relationship to God is, you do not know the REAL Jesus > and are relying on a mere idol for your salvation. > That is NO different than making a STATUE, naming it > J

Re: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread bborrow26
Blaine: some thoughts on whether Jesus and Satan were brothers: (I am not sure all Mormons believe as I do, but I think most do) 1) No,Satan is not Jesus's brother, not in the sense that Mormons call one another "brother" as a matter of showing they love and sympathize with one another, but

Re: [TruthTalk] spare not CRY ALOUD

2004-01-01 Thread bborrow26
Blaine: Kevin, I buy fruit at the supermarket, or direct from growers in season. I like fruit--it is essential to a proper diet. Sorry, but I have over a hundred posts to read--I may get back to this and I may not, in case this does not answer your question. On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:28:26 -0500 [E

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote: > How can we agree, this is not what I believe! > I trust the bible. They use it. I would not ask you to agree with how they malign the trustworthiness of the Bible. What I would ask you to agree with is that the Bible is authoritative Scripture, God's Holy Word. It is not just the

Re: [TruthTalk] pagan & Ruben -Here's the deal.

2004-01-01 Thread bborrow26
Blaine: Good, Dean, this is what I mean when I said you guys sometimes do some good. I admire you for sticking to your guns!! Hope they continue to not bother you. On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:31:40 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > What's a man to do? You back him up, that's wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Pagan Wolf

2004-01-01 Thread bborrow26
Blaine: Judy is right to rely on faith in the Lord. I think this question has merit, although I think she is right, it would be unusual to happen. I did have a somewhat similar situation happen in the Air Force. A redheaded bully type guy I was acquainted with in Basic Training tried to pick

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine's Testimony

2004-01-01 Thread bborrow26
Blaine: What started this? Hey, I will bear my testimony if and when the Holy Ghost inspires me to do so--not before, espcially not to satisfy somebody's idle curiosity. On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 06:12:17 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > Kevin wrote: > > > If any of you

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaine's Testimony

2004-01-01 Thread bborrow26
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 22:18:03 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Boy I would really Love to hear your testimony. > That is 2 votes Blaine. Blaine: Hmmm, I took a day off, and it seems I am way behind you guys.I do not appreciate your trying to egg me on. Say on boys, i

Re: [TruthTalk] pagan & Ruben/Blaine

2004-01-01 Thread bborrow26
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:29:14 -0800 "irebukeu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Blaine: Well, whatever will be, will be--que sera, sera. I will try to stop > being > your judge, Ruben, maybe you can do the same with the Mormons who > worship > Jesus Christ in spirit and truth. I think you have d

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread David Miller
Kevin wrote concerning Acts 16:16- > Paul was grieved you would say a hearty Amen? >From my perspective, Paul was grieved with the fact that she was constantly drawing attention to the apostles Paul and Silas rather than to God. Furthermore, she was capitalizing commercially upon their activitie

RE: [TruthTalk] Being Derogatory

2004-01-01 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > The above [Mat. 23] is not repaying evil for evil. It is not > responding to someone who is being derogatory by being > derogatory in return. Here Jesus is operating in His ministry. > He is judging the behavior of these ppl which widely misses > the mark. Ok. This is a very g

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Kevin Deegan
Suppose you have a 1 Million dollar life insurance policy from 1st Mutual Life Insurance Company of Kolob. In order for the beneficiary to cash in the Policy some conditions must be met. The insured must be dead.Your solemn word does not matter a hill of beans, there MUST be a official Death certi

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > ... some would still chalk it up to a series of > coincidences or a pack of lies, and so I point > to myself. No one but Jesus could have made me > willingly give up my selfish ways to willingly > live for HIM. Wow! That is a precious statement Terry. I think I need to start

RE: [TruthTalk] spare not CRY ALOUD

2004-01-01 Thread David Miller
Hi Dean.    We have a problem here.  I’m going to try and explain it to you and I do pray that you receive this in the love and graciousness with which I offer it.   There are actually two issues here.  One issue simply has to do with the rules of TruthTalk rather than Christianity and

Re: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Terry Clifton
    On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:32:53 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..that the Jesus of the Bible is the Savior of the world..get[s] a hearty amen from me.   but who can prove this claim about Him? g ottoson :: http://poet235.com I could point to the

[TruthTalk] spare not CRY ALOUD

2004-01-01 Thread jandgtaylor1
From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Judy wrote: > > To tell the truth I don't know what they do out there > > but if it is anything like their ministry to the Mormons > > on TT, then I would say Amen... because I hear a lot of > > pride in what they say, us vs them attitudes, defensiveness

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidM, I agree that is not correct doctrine that saves you, but incorrect doctrine can certainly condemn you. DavidM, please bear with me. Suppose, for a moment, that you were raised in a spiritually sterile environment and had no pre-conceived religious thoughts whatsoever. You had never heard t

RE: [TruthTalk] spare not CRY ALOUD

2004-01-01 Thread Dean Moore
> Judy wrote: > > To tell the truth I don't know what they do out there > > but if it is anything like their ministry to the Mormons > > on TT, then I would say Amen... because I hear a lot of > > pride in what they say, us vs them attitudes, defensiveness > > and accusation. The one thing I

[TruthTalk] False teachers/ Blaine.

2004-01-01 Thread jandgtaylor1
Morning David and Dean: The conflict here appears to be the person of Jesus Christ. Scripture teaches us that Jesus is the Word of God but if I am understanding some other messages correctly David believes you can worship Jesus apart from doctrine. Is this correct DavidM? Judy From: "Dean Moor

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers/ Blaine.

2004-01-01 Thread Dean Moore
> David Miller wrote: > >> Is the Mormon religion false? Yes it is. > >> Is their faith misplaced? Yes. > > David Miller wrote: > >> 1. Faith in Jesus Christ. > >> Is this true or false doctrine? It is true. > > Dean wrote: > > So tell me David-what the deal with this? > > You can't hav

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Dean Moore
> [Original Message] > From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 12/28/2003 9:39:46 PM > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers. > > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: 12/28/2003 6:02:14 PM >

Re: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Dean Moore
      - Original Message - From: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/31/2003 10:03:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] False teachers. On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:32:53 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..that the Jesus of the Bible is the Savior of the world..get[s] a hearty amen fro